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post #44251 of 51446
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

That is the perfect scenario -- a receiver like the 4311, with 9 channels (expandable to 11) and DSX processing means you could fully utilize even more RC-70's biggrin.gif

I love how you like putting people on the poor house biggrin.gif. I was actually running 11 channels with my Yamaha rx-a3000. I was more curious to see what audyssey xt-32 could do with the entire 11.2 system. Especially the subs. You know how everyone is raving about it.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

You should get a 9ch receiver wink.gif Then you can have two pairs of RC-70 up front as front main and front wide, RC-50 as side surround, and RC-30 as back surround biggrin.gif
Oh god, that just sounds like the perfect scenario...... I do have a 7 channel now, but a 9 couldn't hurt for later......oh man where does it stop. Lol. What is funny is I have a set of pioneer bs41 not being used. I could always use those as my front wides. Or back surround and my rc50 as front wide. Rc70 just sounds so good as front wides tho...4 rc70 in the front....drooool
post #44253 of 51446
If you mainly use rc-50 for movies you should Keep them for that and get the RC-70 for a 2 channel music setup.I remember when I had my rc-50 they did had more mid-bass punch than RC-70 .Not sure why ,but that's was my experience with the RC-50 and RC-70,The RC-70 did go deeper , but the RC-50s had more mid bass punch.
Edited by losservatore - 2/15/13 at 6:14pm
post #44254 of 51446
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Originally Posted by midnitekiz View Post

I'd say go for it! I bought the whole setup when Vanns had them on special and still couldn't pass this deal up.

Caved in to the temptation - another pair ordered frown.gifsmile.giffrown.gif
post #44255 of 51446
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Originally Posted by SandyMan007 View Post

Caved in to the temptation - another pair ordered frown.gifsmile.giffrown.gif

How many pairs do you have?
post #44256 of 51446
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Short summary....

Energy used to part of the API group, a collection of Canadian speaker manufacturers (including Mirage and Athena) who based their speaker design on acoustic research conducted at Canada's National Research Council (NRC). Paul Barton (of PSB speakers), although not part of the API group, was also a participant in this research. Energy's longtime chief designer, John Tchilinguirian, was renowkned for his innovate designs and technology, including the original "dual hyperdome" tweeter that made Energy famous with the now classic Pro 22 series. Other innovations included the "Convergent Source Module" (combining the tweeter and midrange driver into a single, separate enclosure for better dispersion and soundstaging), and the ribbed-elliptical surround on the woofers that now grace nearly all Energy and Mirage products.

Here is an old interview with Tchilinguirian that you may find interesting: http://www.stereophile.com/interviews/552/index.html

Energy speakers have such a following because, due to their intensive research, they were able to compete with much more expensive speakers (e.g. Paradigm) at their price point. The original two generations of the Veritas speakers are legendary for their sound quality.

Anyway, bringing this all to the present, a few years ago Klipsch bought out the entire API group, killed the Athena brand entirely, and began scaling back Energy and Mirage. The RC line was the last of the "true" Energy speakers, and as such retain their popularity here. They were discontinued by Klipsch several years ago, but due to one-off special production deals with Vanns certain models still remained available for purchase. The same thing is true with Mirage and their awesome OMD line of speakers. Both companies have unfortunately been scaled back to focus on the (I assume more profitable) HTIB segment with the Energy "Take" and RC-Micro type speakers and the Mirage Nanosats.

Klipsch did produce one new lineup of speakers, the recent Veritas (which were Klipsch designed but heavily based on RC technology) and Connoisseur (CF/CB) lines. These are still by all accounts excellent speakers, but are voiced a little differently than Energy's traditional neutral, balanced sound, leaning more towards the Klipsch preferred treble-heavy presentation. And even their mid-level products (e-series in the early 90's, the first two Connoisseur series in the late 90's and early 2000's, and then the RC's in the mid 2000's) provided awesome value at the price point.

Then, a couple of years ago, Audiovox purchased the entire Klipsch group, and Energy and Mirage haven't put out anything of substance since. There is a lot of pessimism about the future of these brands, and thus the excitement when their last great product (RC) is available for sale at such a great discount.
Excellent explanation. Thank you.
post #44257 of 51446
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Originally Posted by batt50 View Post

I was more curious to see what audyssey xt-32 could do with the entire 11.2 system. Especially the subs. You know how everyone is raving about it.

I myself am pondering a receiver upgrade. If I had to upgrade right now, I'd wait for the next sale on the Onkyo 818, which is the cheapest receiver with XT32 ($850 on sale). But, the catch is, it doesn't have SubEQ HT, which is able to time-align two subs independantly. The cheapest receiver with SubEQ HT is probably the Onkyo 1010, which has further THX certification and an obscure feature here and there on top of those of the 818, and can be had around $1800 on sale. I don't think I'd pay $1000 more for SubEQ HT. Unless maybe this is absolutely a huge thing for dual subs... and somehow I could convince myself that the other features are actually useful.
post #44258 of 51446
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I myself am pondering a receiver upgrade. If I had to upgrade right now, I'd wait for the next sale on the Onkyo 818, which is the cheapest receiver with XT32 ($850 on sale). But, the catch is, it doesn't have SubEQ HT, which is able to time-align two subs independantly. The cheapest receiver with SubEQ HT is probably the Onkyo 1010, which has further THX certification and an obscure feature here and there on top of those of the 818, and can be had around $1800 on sale. I don't think I'd pay $1000 more for SubEQ HT. Unless maybe this is absolutely a huge thing for dual subs... and somehow I could convince myself that the other features are actually useful.
I'm sure if you look around you may be able to find a 4311 somewhere for about $1000, I know they have a few for sale used here on AVS. Or you could get the Onkyo 3009, which has subeq ht for about the same price. I'm sure Bat pig may chime in, but you can get xt32 for way cheaper than $1800.
post #44259 of 51446
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Originally Posted by Saints View Post

I'm sure if you look around you may be able to find a 4311 somewhere for about $1000, I know they have a few for sale used here on AVS. Or you could get the Onkyo 3009, which has subeq ht for about the same price. I'm sure Bat pig may chime in, but you can get xt32 for way cheaper than $1800.

Forgot to mention that I'm in Canada. Never saw those prices on the 4311 here and now all I can see in stores is the $2800 4520. And for xt32 without SubEQ HT, the Onkyo 818 is hard to beat it seems.
post #44260 of 51446
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I myself am pondering a receiver upgrade. If I had to upgrade right now, I'd wait for the next sale on the Onkyo 818, which is the cheapest receiver with XT32 ($850 on sale). But, the catch is, it doesn't have SubEQ HT, which is able to time-align two subs independantly. The cheapest receiver with SubEQ HT is probably the Onkyo 1010, which has further THX certification and an obscure feature here and there on top of those of the 818, and can be had around $1800 on sale. I don't think I'd pay $1000 more for SubEQ HT. Unless maybe this is absolutely a huge thing for dual subs... and somehow I could convince myself that the other features are actually useful.

Would you believe that I actually purchased the denon 4311 for less than $850 twice before both transactions were cancelled? That's what's bugging me. My next option around a similar price range is the anti mode dual core. It's actually cheaper for me ordering from Canada to the states. I'm happy with what my Yamaha does with my speakers. I'm more curious about getting more out of sub equalization. Don't get me wrong, I also wanted to see if my speakers would sound even better.
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Ahh sorry, yeah neutro i knew you were in Canada, but didn't know the availability or price for you guys up there. I know future shop had some really good deals for the rc-70s and thought maybe they had been blowing out the 4311s for a decent price somewhere. As batt50 said, I have heard nothing but good things about the anti mode so that is another option for your sub if you are happy with everything else your receiver does. I'll tell you what though, xt32 does amazing things for speakers as well as subs as I just had my old onkyo 609 that has the lowest form of Audyssey hooked up when I sent my 4311 off for repair. I just got the 4311 back and it really is night and day.
post #44262 of 51446
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post



Fry's opens in 15 minutes. Heading out the door in 10 minutes, its that close by.



amazingly they're available online too but I bet they wont be for long.
http://www.frys.com/product/7386304?site=sa:adpages page:P2_FRI date:021513


Just keeping the post and trying to make it easy so you don't look pages back.smile.gif
post #44263 of 51446
So I just unpacked my RC-70s, and wow are these things nice! Going to hook them up tomorrow, and move my C-6's, etc. And man are the floor spikes/disc set up on these massive, way more than my C-6's!

I decided to go ahead and plug the ports on mine since I have to put mine pretty close the wall, say 6" or 7" or so. Can't wait to get them hooked up and hear them sing.
post #44264 of 51446
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

WorldWideStereo currently has a sale on the Veritas Mini 5.0 package for $379.88 with Coupon code SDVERITAS. Free shipping too.

http://www.wwstereo.com/Energy/VMINI5.0R


Another sale to keep smile.gif

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This is bad...since we are all conspiring here, anyone have any ideas on how to hide the boxes until the "perfect opportunity" to tell my girlfriend I just spent more money on speakers? I will chime in and say whoever even has the slightest consideration for these to pull the trigger and enjoy. Seriously.
post #44266 of 51446
I just pulled the trigger on the veritas mini package, plus two extra for a 7 channel setup in piano black from World Wide Stereo for $530. The promo is for the rosenut but they will honor it for the black too.
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Haven't been around here for a long time, guys, but I happened to wander in and saw the RC-70 sale at Fry's. A pair of 70s for less than $600 shipped? That's outrageous!!! I've had mine for several years and still love them. The last thing I need right now is another pair of speakers, but I found myself trying to justify it at that price. That's a ridiculously good deal!!!
post #44268 of 51446
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Haven't been around here for a long time, guys, but I happened to wander in and saw the RC-70 sale at Fry's. A pair of 70s for less than $600 shipped? That's outrageous!!! I've had mine for several years and still love them. The last thing I need right now is another pair of speakers, but I found myself trying to justify it at that price. That's a ridiculously good deal!!!

Hey, it HAS been a long time since we've seen your name. You were always in the thick of it when the topic was RC's. But times have changed and supply and conversation has dwindled. Welcome back but it looks like this will be the absolute end of days for the line. However, there are always folks that will appreciate your input so hang around our little community for a while! After all, the meteor missed us this time but the more time we spend in our man-caves the safer we'll be!
post #44269 of 51446
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

I actually saw the ad on Fry's website this morning. I check every Friday when I get up and use the computer. Didn't see the slickdeals post until after I got to work and had purchased the speakers.

Congrats Afrogt! What's your plan to break them in?

You seem to have incredible patience to get the absolute best deals on Energy speakers. Glad you won the waiting game.

Look forward to your impressions after you take them to louder levels than you thought you would have.cool.gif
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biggrin.gif I still have the two RC70s in my main home theater and 5 RC10s in a bedroom. I think the RC10s were $600/pair when the line was new. eek.gif Actually, I added a new media streamer to that bedroom the other day and spent some time re-exploring how good the RC10s are in that space. The range of those little speakers is extremely impressive. Much of my time these days is spent shooting and editing 3D video. It's my new passion. But I still take the time to relax and enjoy my Energy's.
post #44271 of 51446
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

biggrin.gif I still have the two RC70s in my main home theater and 5 RC10s in a bedroom. I think the RC10s were $600/pair when the line was new. eek.gif Actually, I added a new media streamer to that bedroom the other day and spent some time re-exploring how good the RC10s are in that space. The range of those little speakers is extremely impressive. Much of my time these days is spent shooting and editing 3D video. It's my new passion. But I still take the time to relax and enjoy my Energy's.

Wow!!!! I haven't seen your name since I started doing research on the rc-10's about 4 years ago. Welcome back.
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Joseph Clark!! Welcome back my good man! biggrin.gif. Hope all is well with you!
post #44273 of 51446
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

biggrin.gif I still have the two RC70s in my main home theater and 5 RC10s in a bedroom. I think the RC10s were $600/pair when the line was new. eek.gif Actually, I added a new media streamer to that bedroom the other day and spent some time re-exploring how good the RC10s are in that space. The range of those little speakers is extremely impressive. Much of my time these days is spent shooting and editing 3D video. It's my new passion. But I still take the time to relax and enjoy my Energy's.

The RC-10's got down to $200/pair shipped and the RC-LCR was even less than that!

I'm really impressed with the way I can throw video to my Sony Blu-ray players from my Samsung phone with iMediaShare. I bought a ZyXel NSA320 Media Server that holds 2 3Tb drives and can't wait to get that running. I also got a Seagate GoMedia 500GB WiFi Server that I can stream from to my phone, PC, or Blu-ray player. Just awesome technology. Thanks to Black Friday!

I'd really love to get into video editing. I've got a Sony DVD-RW recorder and a JVC HM-DT100 D-VHS HDTV tuner/recorder for bouncing different formats around. It records HDTV off the antenna on to S-VHS or D-VHS tape. My laptop is a Toshiba with Win7, Quad Core i7, 680GB, Blu-ray, and USB3. Can you make a recommendation on free software for editing on this laptop from the DVD/D-VHS decks to store on the server and what format to use? I've got VLC of course but I'm not looking forward to wading through all the editor software. I should have plenty of room but I will be using a Raid so I'll only have 3TB. I'm sure you're far more advanced than this but I'll bet you've been through this already.
post #44274 of 51446
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

Congrats Afrogt! What's your plan to break them in?

You seem to have incredible patience to get the absolute best deals on Energy speakers. Glad you won the waiting game.

Look forward to your impressions after you take them to louder levels than you thought you would have.cool.gif

I had my CD changer on continuous play when I left the house at 8:45 am Friday morning. It is now 2:22am Saturday and I just got home 15 minutes ago. So I've already got 17+ hours of break-in so far.

Gotta keep the boxes and packaging because a couple of people have been bending my ear about the Veritas 2.3i on Craigslist. They say they're far superior to the RC-70's. So if they're still available next time I'm down that way in about a week I may have to visit the seller and give them a try. I've got 30 days to return my RC-70's if the Veritas are truly that much better.

Yes I had incredible patience with the RC-70's because I knew that $599 price at Fry's wouldn't last forever. Nobody was buying the speakers so they had to go on sale eventually. I didn't think they'd get down to $299 each though. I already had good systems in my bedroom and main room so the wait wasn't that tough.
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I was tempted to get the RC70s myself. Im sure they sound better than my Klipsch Icon VF36s. But unfortunately I would have to replace all my speakers to accomodate them. That pretty much negates the value of the sale. Unless I was to go through the trouble of selling everything that I have spent the last year piecing together. They cant sound that much better. If I was going to do that at all I would get those Veritas 2.3i. These threads drive me crazy sometimes. tongue.gif
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Agreed, we need more comments from Joseph Clark again. Do you have a YouTube channel you want to share with us Mr. Clark? (Though I don't have a 3D viewing device.)
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I have a question about the sound on these RC-70s. I know it is hard to put into words what I am hearing, but I was expecting to hear a larger presence from these. I know that there needs to be a break-in period and the sound will change over that time, but my initial impressions are slightly off from my expectations. The highs are clear and crisp, but I was expecting a little more punch and oompf from the mids and lows.
post #44278 of 51446
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Originally Posted by Saints View Post

Ahh sorry, yeah neutro i knew you were in Canada, but didn't know the availability or price for you guys up there. I know future shop had some really good deals for the rc-70s and thought maybe they had been blowing out the 4311s for a decent price somewhere. As batt50 said, I have heard nothing but good things about the anti mode so that is another option for your sub if you are happy with everything else your receiver does. I'll tell you what though, xt32 does amazing things for speakers as well as subs as I just had my old onkyo 609 that has the lowest form of Audyssey hooked up when I sent my 4311 off for repair. I just got the 4311 back and it really is night and day.
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Originally Posted by batt50 View Post

Would you believe that I actually purchased the denon 4311 for less than $850 twice before both transactions were cancelled?

What was the problem exactly? The 4311 sure looks like the reference AVR.


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That's what's bugging me. My next option around a similar price range is the anti mode dual core.

Yeah: instead of paying $1k more for SubEQ HT, I'd go with an antimode dual core. Then again, I'm not sure if it's worth it in my case, as I already have EQ capabilities (BFD). The only thing I'd gain would be more precise time alignment of the two subs, but they're approximately equidistant to the listening position to begin with. And, of course, I'd like to hear what XT32 would do to the speakers as well.
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Newbie here. Would these rc-70's pair up well with energy take 5.1's using them as 2 main fronts and thus having a 7.1 system? Reading all about these is making it tempting to order from Frys since they have free shipping and I'm on the east coast.
post #44280 of 51446
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

I have a question about the sound on these RC-70s. I know it is hard to put into words what I am hearing, but I was expecting to hear a larger presence from these. I know that there needs to be a break-in period and the sound will change over that time, but my initial impressions are slightly off from my expectations. The highs are clear and crisp, but I was expecting a little more punch and oompf from the mids and lows.

You answered your own question "I know that there needs to be a break-in period and the sound will change over that time". Let the speakers play for a while. But, the other thing that many people forget about it is the speaker placement in your room..... you could have them placed in a position where their interaction with your room is detrimental to some of your bass frequencies... Be willing to experiment a bit... What speaker are you comparing the 70s bass performance to?
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