Energy Owners Thread - Page 1481

Just out of curiosity-- can anyone speak to the differences between running an LCR with the 70s vs. 3 RC-70 across the front? I was looking at my set-up last night, and if I raise up the TV a it and move everything from my entertainment center into a side cabinet, I can easily fit a 70 as my center channel. Selling the LCR will be a hassle, as will remounting the TV, so I'm wondering how much of a difference it will make. Currently have the RC-R as my surrounds, and hoping to add RC-Mini as heights eventually.

Could I not tilt it upwards towards the listening position?
Would audyssey xt32 not take care of the calibration?

I have a 4311ci

Before this I had a rclcr in the same location. Dialogs sounded a little weak... Could that be the reason... Overall it was good though.

The question was about the layout wondering how you are accommodating the RC-70 as a center. Due to the size of the speaker, very few people can use it as a center/

Would you be placing it horizontally on the floor below the screen? It is upright behind a audio transparent screen? Is it upright below the screen requiring the bottom of the screen to be 40" off the ground?

I will be placing it horizontally below the screen such that the center woofer is at the center of the screen.

Believe that should work.

i have had a pair of rc 50s for about a year and they are great but with the frys sale of the rc70 for 598 a pair does anyone think i should get the 70s and sell my 50s for a fair price.

why not keep both?Rc-50 are perfect for movies and Rc-70 are perfect for music.

You can build a nice 2 channel dedicated music setup.

You can probably sell your RC-50's for $500-600, so the upgrade would only cost you at most $100. Or you could move the 50's to surround duty, or do as losservatore said.

I don't think selling your RC LCR will be a hassle at all. Many people are looking for that center and you could easily sell it in minutes.

I just meant in terms of boxing it and shipping-- I don't have much storage at my place, so had to toss out the LCR box. I do love the aesthics of the LCR though. In terms of the tonal match, do the 70s overpower or not match with the LCR?

The general consensus is to tonally matching your fronts and center (i.e. same brand and line of speakers across the front). That said, I think someone a few pages back said they actually preferred the Veritas center with his RC-70s. I've never had fronts that didn't match my center, even with my cheap Technics. While it really bothers some people, I'm kind of curious as to what it sounds like. I imagine different combos have significantly different results, but I'm not sure I'd be as sensitive to the difference as others. Certainly, I'd say that the "average" consumer mixes and matches speakers all the time and is none the wiser. I realize that's a lot of rambling with no real answer, so I guess you'll just have to try it and see. Worst case is that those RCs will probably sell pretty well in a few months and you can try and swap out for the V6.2s later if you don't like the mixing.

It's been a while, but someone was talking about doing that a while back. I can't remember if they ever went through with it or not. I seem to remember that some people were concerned with the effectiveness of having the 70 on its side. Let us know how it works out, I'm pretty curious.

Automaton If I was in your situation I'll keep the center, just in case you need to go back to the previous setup.If you sell that speaker make sure you won't go back to your previous set up.

I love the LCR with my 70s. As do many others. Another 70 would be the "perfect" match and I think I remember some people/person swapping the LCR for a 70 and noticing an improvement. But it's hard for me to imagine it's worth the hassle unless you just have a perfect setup (acoustically transparent screen to hide it behind, for instance.) They're already a pretty close match, and I imagine that the room correction from my AVR enhances that even further.

Thanks for the advice. Current (or future, once the 50s get swapped out for the 70s) setup works quite well. Adding the 70 as a center would entail some reshuffling of the components, replacing our current (very wide) media center with something narrower...probably not worth the trouble.

Then stick with the RCLCR. If you aren't going to use it vertically then use a speaker thats designed to operate horizontally. The point of using another RC-70 as a center would be to get a perfect match and take advantage of the benefits of a vertical center. You aren't going to get that, and laying an RC-70 on the floor is going to sound as crappy as laying an RC-LCR on the floor.

IMO only buy an RC-70 for a center if your next purchase is an AT screen so you can stand it vertically.

I have both a RC-70 setup and a V6.2 setup. The setups do sound different from each other. Yes you can mix them together if that is all you have but
they sound better not mixed together. The v6.2's are not as laid back so to speak as the RC-70's and you will notice this when mixing together for movies or music.

My video link below will let you know if their timbre is the same or similar.... IMO no.

Frys still shows RC70 in stock, wonder how many they have stocked up in their warehouse.

How is the RC70 compare to POLK lsi15?

Well In my case I did purchase a bic pl-200, and the rc-10,rc-lcr and I thought that was the best I was gonna get. I wasn't till later I decide to go against whatever budget I could afford and get a pair of rc-50's used. I think people forget this is an expensive Hobby and you can't always afford the best of everything. Not to say that energy is the best product on the market or a 1,000 dollar sub is as well. Some people may never afford a thousand dollar sub, or maybe it's a setup not in a dedicated theater room where even with that high priced sub you can shake the house down . I think I paid a grand total for all the speakers and to be honest while the Bic doesn't "pressurized" and shake the walls to the point they're crumbling It does a decent job helping in filling my 13X17X8 room with quality sound for a non-audiophille or honestly for anyone. (plus my wife would kill me lol and already gets mad at what the bic can push out) To pay exactly what I paid for the other five speakers for one sub is crazy and logically makes no sense (and in the world I live it we don't care about MSRP and what the price SHOULD be we care about what we paid), even if it will give you the best home theater setup.

cel4145: I do understand your point, If your going to buy high quality speakers you should go all the way and buy the sub to match. but sometimes you just have to get what you can afford. and maybe waiting isn't an option


I do have a question for everone, At what movie theater has anyone gone to that the theater was so pressurized you actually felt it in your chest? or that the ground was vibrating? Why does it seem like one of the most important aspect in a home theater is to get your whole house shaking to its foundation? I know it's all about preference, I just don't understand where the Idea comes from? Not to say it's not a cool one lol

No doubt. There are people putting a system together very carefully on a budget. But there are others who are spending thousands on RC (or Veritas) setups with 7.1, or multiple audio setups in the house with them--not to mention expensive electronics--but only allocating $200 or $300 for the sub.

As for movie theaters, imagine how much subwooferage it would take to fill that kind of space enough to pressurize it? Then if the system was producing enough bass to really shake the floors, they'd be feeling it in the next theater over (lol).

Never heard the LSi15 but I know the LSi speakers are 4 ohm speakers.

glantern30 I totally understand I bought a PSA dual 15" sub for my small living room and I think I went way over the limit with that sub.I used to use a energy v 8" and it was doing a great job in my small living room.


There are many factors and situations that will involve choosing the right sub.


For those that are asking about sub recommendations my best advice is to ask in the sub thread.
Edited by losservatore - 2/18/13 at 10:51am

Actually that is one thing I hate about going to the theater. Have you ever been to a comedy or movie with a quiet scene only to hear the theater next to you rumbling from an action scene? So distracting.

Wow, that Fry's deal has lit this thread on fire... for good reason!! I'm loving the enthusiasm. In Canada I was banking on the RC-70's going on sale again over Boxing Day, and I had resigned to the fact that I would not upgrade from my RC-50's..... but I caved, like a lot of my US brethren! lol I thought $800 for a pair was outstanding. But, $600!? Amazing (ps: the RC-70's are still available at Future Shop for $399/ea. I thought they would be long gone by now. I'm wondering if they'll eventually drop even further....?)

Anyway, I had planned to sell my RC-50's now that I have the 70's, but for fun this weekend I moved my RC-R's to "Surround Back", plugged in the 50's for "Side Surround" and placed them about 4 feet from the couch on either side to check out 7.1 surround. We watched Iron Man 2. Heaven. The sound was so immersive, it shocked me.

Afterwards my wife said, so are you going to sell the other speakers (the 50's)? I said that I had planned to, but wasn't sure yet and she said, "I don't really care if you keep them... I suspect that was your plan all along. But they're not staying the living room". I'm taking that as a green light to keep them! One day I'll have my dedicated media/movie room, and hopefully a full 7.1 of RC's. Or better yet, the 70's powered by my dream - a Bryston amp. *drool*

I see your point.. I mean I got pretty lucky and found most of the rc speakers pretty cheap I actually paid more for the bic pl 200 then any of the speakers lol.. But if you have the cash to pay the prices now for this setup then you should pay the cash for the large sub it is worth it. Good point man!

As far as the movie theater goes thats kinda of my point lol. until I started researching and learning from this forum, I would've never thought to even try to pressureize a room so you could really feel it shake. Where would people get the idea of it other then it becoming a personal preference. Someone tried it once notice what you could do with a high powered sub told others they try it and it becomes popular. But not necessary to to enjoy a good surround sound systems and therefore its just a matter of preference. A decent sub that will help fill out an area or this large high power expensive sub to shake the house down. Because if the theaters don't do it and you can enjoy the experence then why do you have to do it at home??

Did anyone get a tracking number from Fry's. My order says it shipped Feb 15th but still no tracking number.

I am in the same boat and it's driving my crazy....shipped the 15th....Waiting...

I'm totally with you about the budget issues, the context of the purchase, etc. Actually you chose a very good budget sub. And *one* of the components of any HT setup *must* be the limiting factor, and for many people, it's the sub. For me, it's the AVR (I think). Video buffs may think it's my TV. The AVR will probably be my next upgrade, who knows when... Yet, some subs will contribute next to nothing to a HT setup with RC-70s. It's like using a HTIB center with RC-70s: it's just so unbalanced it's not the right thing to do, period.

Good question I think subs evolved a lot in the last 15 years or so. In the US, ID sub makers made very powerful subs available at an honest price, so more and more enthusiast acquired them. This made sound engineers mix special surprises for them in recent releases -- well that's what I like to think . You're right that most theaters won't do much with the sub-20 Hz seismic waves encoded in some soundtracks.

Actually, last time I've been in a theater (for the last James Bond movie), I was sorely disappointed. The image was less bright and blurrier than on my TV; I could not go to the bathroom without missing 5min of the movie and disturbing many people , had to pay $20 for a bag of popcorn and a pop, *and*, no bass to speak of. Lousy experience

Seriously, bass is so much better in my HT than I wouldn't go to the theater to see a movie I'd really want to see. So I guess this is kind of a new form of entertainment. War of the World at high volume is ridiculously impressive with good subs, it literally adds a dimension to the pod emergence scene. But I really like what the subs can do in video games (Bioshock's Big Daddies are *so* terrifying right now), and I like electronic music, where many tracks have very low bass lines. So there's a good use case for higher-end subs I think. It's probably not required for classical music if you have full-range speakers such as the RC-70s.

I've never seen the RC-70s lower than $400 each at FutureShop. If the go as low as $300 each... Huh, I may have to buy a pair, for, huh... spares. You know, just in case.

I had been a little bit worry about the members that bought the Rc-70 online .I hope they arrive in perfect condition there is a high number of incidents of people receiving this speakers all beat up do to the poor packaging..This speakers have to be double boxed because the Styrofoam is very weak.



Also a possible problem is that they hasn't updated their website and possibly showing as in stock when they actually are out of stock.



Please I dont want you to get worried about it.


still worth the risk.
Edited by losservatore - 2/18/13 at 1:11pm

Worried as well.....Although it says shipped on the 15th - so I think they were shipped but just waiting for a tracking #. Fry's for $299 for each RC-70 is worth the risk...I hope...