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post #44431 of 51596
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I'm totally with you about the budget issues, the context of the purchase, etc. Actually you chose a very good budget sub. And *one* of the components of any HT setup *must* be the limiting factor, and for many people, it's the sub. For me, it's the AVR (I think). Video buffs may think it's my TV. The AVR will probably be my next upgrade, who knows when... Yet, some subs will contribute next to nothing to a HT setup with RC-70s. It's like using a HTIB center with RC-70s: it's just so unbalanced it's not the right thing to do, period.
Good question smile.gif I think subs evolved a lot in the last 15 years or so. In the US, ID sub makers made very powerful subs available at an honest price, so more and more enthusiast acquired them. This made sound engineers mix special surprises for them in recent releases -- well that's what I like to think biggrin.gif. You're right that most theaters won't do much with the sub-20 Hz seismic waves encoded in some soundtracks.

Actually, last time I've been in a theater (for the last James Bond movie), I was sorely disappointed. The image was less bright and blurrier than on my TV; I could not go to the bathroom without missing 5min of the movie and disturbing many people biggrin.gif, had to pay $20 for a bag of popcorn and a pop, *and*, no bass to speak of. Lousy experience wink.gif

Seriously, bass is so much better in my HT than I wouldn't go to the theater to see a movie I'd really want to see. So I guess this is kind of a new form of entertainment. War of the World at high volume is ridiculously impressive with good subs, it literally adds a dimension to the pod emergence scene. But I really like what the subs can do in video games (Bioshock's Big Daddies are *so* terrifying right now), and I like electronic music, where many tracks have very low bass lines. So there's a good use case for higher-end subs I think. It's probably not required for classical music if you have full-range speakers such as the RC-70s.

neurto, losservatore,cel thanks for the input and I apologize for kinda of jacking the thread. Especially after your comments Neutro and with that infomation I hope to never hear one of those high end subs... Or I'll be trying to find out ways to save up for one lmao Ignorance in this situations is truely bliss. I love the setup I have now and it's the closest thing I've heard to a movie theater which is the reference point for me
post #44432 of 51596
Plus it was the weekend and the "holiday" today....Just hope it shows up with no damage. UPS is the shipping method.
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neurto, losservatore,cel thanks for the input and I apologize for kinda of jacking the thread. Especially after your comments Neutro and with that infomation I hope to never hear one of those high end subs... Or I'll be trying to find out ways to save up for one lmao Ignorance in this situations is truely bliss. I love the setup I have now and it's the closest thing I've heard to a movie theater which is the reference point for me


**forgive post above I quoted it wrong**
post #44434 of 51596
Well I placed my order Friday around 10:00 am central time. Friday night I received an email saying it shipped but no tracking number. Still today no tracking number so I just called Fry's. She looked up the order and the status was 'out for delivery'. OK, that was fast. Not sure where they shipped from but I am in St. Louis.

I will report back tonight on the condition of the speakers. Looks like I'm leaving work early.
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Darrin_R that's great news smile.gif
post #44436 of 51596
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post



Fry's opens in 15 minutes. Heading out the door in 10 minutes, its that close by.



amazingly they're available online too but I bet they wont be for long.
http://www.frys.com/product/7386304?site=sa:adpages page:P2_FRI date:021513


Just keeping the post and trying to make it easy so you don't look pages back.smile.gif



Incredible that they still have then available.eek.gif
post #44437 of 51596
Was randomly looking though Groupon today and they have the Energy Soundbar on there, what has happened to the brand!?!? Groupon? Really?
post #44438 of 51596
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

WorldWideStereo currently has a sale on the Veritas Mini 5.0 package for $379.88 with Coupon code SDVERITAS. Free shipping too.

http://www.wwstereo.com/Energy/VMINI5.0R


Another sale to keep smile.gif



also this sale still available....smile.gif
post #44439 of 51596
Is the RC-70 is huge step up from the CF-70? I just bought some CF-70s and a CC-10 center ...I am totally impressed and happy with them. But I am considering replacing the towers with the RCs if its a huge upgrade. Eventually, I want to step up to a PSB speaker setup just for the fact that they are still in business...
post #44440 of 51596
Just called frys customer service and she said i will Be expecting my rc 70 pair by tommorow. I ordered it friday 12pm.hopefully no damage or anything. Finger cross.
post #44441 of 51596
Well...I called and since I ordered it late Friday, UPS just shipped it today from Memphis TN. 3-5 business days....ground UPS. At least they did ship! Should have a tracking # by tonight. Just pulled the trigger on the veritas 5.2c for 199 at Vann's (via Amazon) - using amex points. Cost me a net of $60. It's the piano rosenut, so I hope it matches ok with my entertainment center. Should be a sweet RC-70's, V5.2C sound....all under $700. Heard a Klipsch F-30 at HHGREGG and couldn't believe the sound....so I started looking to upgrade....CAN'T WAIT! This is becoming an addiction. Thanks everyone for the advice!! This is a great place for information.
post #44442 of 51596
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Originally Posted by Agent 504 View Post

Is the RC-70 is huge step up from the CF-70? I just bought some CF-70s and a CC-10 center ...I am totally impressed and happy with them. But I am considering replacing the towers with the RCs if its a huge upgrade. Eventually, I want to step up to a PSB speaker setup just for the fact that they are still in business...

Yes, especially if you listen to a lot of two channel music.
post #44443 of 51596
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

This is becoming an addiction. Thanks everyone for the advice!! This is a great place for information.

Carefull. This place FEEDS the addiction! And once hooked...
post #44444 of 51596
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Originally Posted by Agent 504 View Post

Is the RC-70 is huge step up from the CF-70? I just bought some CF-70s and a CC-10 center ...I am totally impressed and happy with them. But I am considering replacing the towers with the RCs if its a huge upgrade. Eventually, I want to step up to a PSB speaker setup just for the fact that they are still in business...

If you are totally impressed and happy with them, why would you want to change? Plus, if your ultimate goal is to get a PSB setup, I would suggest sticking with what you have. Yeah, the RC-70s are better speakers than the CF-70, but in your situation, I'm not sure it'd be worth switching.
post #44445 of 51596
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Originally Posted by jjl4004 View Post

If you are totally impressed and happy with them, why would you want to change? Plus, if your ultimate goal is to get a PSB setup, I would suggest sticking with what you have. Yeah, the RC-70s are better speakers than the CF-70, but in your situation, I'm not sure it'd be worth switching.

I would have to agree. I have owned the CF-70s and now own the RC-50s and have listened to the RC-70s. Although I agree the sound is much better in the RC-70s, it is a different kind of sound altogether, so if you like what you have, there isn't a need to switch because the sound is different. Some people like it, some people prefer the CF-70 sound.
post #44446 of 51596
35 Mile drive in record time. I got home 5 minutes before the UPS truck pulled up.

They are not doubled box and the boxes have a couple bruises. I haven't opened them yet to see the speaker.
post #44447 of 51596
Good luck....Mine should arrive by Wednesday....Not double boxed! C'MON FRY's!
post #44448 of 51596
well I just receive my veritas v minis about 40 minutes ago ,I decide to take a look at one of then and to my surprise their finish dont look at all to the larger veritas speakers ,their finish is flat and not glossy also darker than the large speakers ,the finish still looks nice but doesn't match with the larger veritas speakers, also I decide to unplug one verita 6.3 and plug in the verita mini while the other verita 6.3 was playing and to my impression they dont sound alike, I used to have the RC-minis and to my impression they sound more like the RC-minis.well I will let then break in a little bit to see if they get a little bit brighter but when I bought my veritas larger speakers I did tell right away their sound so Im not sure if they will get any brighter .


That's it for now I will keep posting about then.
post #44449 of 51596
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Originally Posted by glantern30 View Post

As far as the movie theater goes thats kinda of my point lol. until I started researching and learning from this forum, I would've never thought to even try to pressureize a room so you could really feel it shake. Where would people get the idea of it other then it becoming a personal preference. Someone tried it once notice what you could do with a high powered sub told others they try it and it becomes popular. But not necessary to to enjoy a good surround sound systems and therefore its just a matter of preference. A decent sub that will help fill out an area or this large high power expensive sub to shake the house down. Because if the theaters don't do it and you can enjoy the experence then why do you have to do it at home??

Not new. People have been pressurizing cars with subs for decades. But as neutro pointed out, it's only recently become more affordable in the home thanks to the ID sub vendors. There's also more interest recently in subs as a result of hip hop, EDM, and rap that produce bass heavy music into the lower frequencies.

But I think it's more than just pressurization that causes this interest in the ID subs. It's also the lower frequency extension and SQ quality of the sub. Think of it in terms of regular speakers. If you have a pair of bookshelves that go down to 60hz before rolling off, you can still hear the bass guitar. But add in a sub or use towers that produce lower frequencies, and some of those bass guitar notes become richer, fuller, on the bottom end because now the entire sound is present as it should be. Same with certain drum notes. With movies, bass effects typically cover a wide frequency range, too. So with good say 20hz extension, your system better reproduces that effect. Then cheaper subs or a sub that doesn't quite have enough output for your room will likely be producing high distortion in the low frequencies, and some of the budget subs even carry over that distortion into upper frequencies because of harmonics. Then consider the benefit of a driver with better transient response in the decay--sharper, clearer bass as a result (a plus for music, too)--and this all adds up to more realistic reproduction of the bass effects. So it's not about making the room "shake." That's what a budget sub does. The train wreck in Super 8 necessarily sounds AND feels different from the Hulk smashing into the ground or the helicopter blades beating air onto the ground in Black Hawk Down. It's an increase in realism, and even in more subtle ways. The DVD version of Master and Commander when the people are walking on deck above? Thanks to the sub working with the rest of my speakers, it sounds completely real in my room, as if I'm in the hold and people are walking around above my head. It's eerie.

So isn't that why people buy better speakers for movie watching? To get more realistic sound? Why not invest in the sub, too?
post #44450 of 51596
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

well I just receive my veritas v minis about 40 minutes ago ,I decide to take a look at one of then and to my surprise their finish dont look at all to the larger veritas speakers ,their finish is flat and not glossy also darker than the large speakers ,the finish still looks nice but doesn't match with the larger veritas speakers, also I decide to unplug one verita 6.3 and plug in the verita mini while the other verita 6.3 was playing and to my impression they dont sound alike, I used to have the RC-minis and to my impression they sound more like the RC-minis.well I will let then break in a little bit to see if they get a little bit brighter but when I bought my veritas larger speakers I did tell right away their sound so Im not sure if they will get any brighter .


That's it for now I will keep posting about then.

Sounds like they're just RC Mini's with a new silver plate around the drivers. Not necessarily a bad thing since the RC Mini's were quite good. I like the flat rosenut color actually. I guess they match the old Rosenut RC speakers. Maybe they had a bunch of RC Mini cabinets left over and filled them with V Mini drivers?
post #44451 of 51596
I ordered mine on Friday, and scheduled for delivery tomorrow. Memphis to Pittsburgh. I'm worried about the shape they arrive in as well, since I drive for UPS and know what my truck looks like in the morning mad.gif

The bigger problem is if they do show up damaged, there can't be much stock for replacements, and I already sold my banged up 70's. eek.gif
post #44452 of 51596
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Originally Posted by Darrin_R View Post

35 Mile drive in record time. I got home 5 minutes before the UPS truck pulled up.

They are not doubled box and the boxes have a couple bruises. I haven't opened them yet to see the speaker.
If you have time maybe if u can post a picture of youre rc 70?
post #44453 of 51596
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

You can probably sell your RC-50's for $500-600, so the upgrade would only cost you at most $100. Or you could move the 50's to surround duty, or do as losservatore said.

I have a pair of 50's on the classified section for $475 with no bites. Maybe keep them or trade for two LCR's?
Edited by gostillerz - 2/18/13 at 5:29pm
post #44454 of 51596
okay here are some pictures

I was surprised that even that I order this speakers directly through wwstereo they had a amazon tape.






This is I was talking about their finish totally different I wasn't expecting that but they still look nice.



more pictures later.
post #44455 of 51596
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Originally Posted by SandyMan007 View Post

Frys still shows RC70 in stock, wonder how many they have stocked up in their warehouse.

Called two days ago, and at that time the rep said "plenty" were in the warehouse.
post #44456 of 51596
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

okay here are some pictures

I was surprised that even that I order this speakers directly through wwstereo they had a amazon tape.






This is I was talking about their finish totally different I wasn't expecting that but they still look nice.



more pictures later.

You're rosenut color on the V5.1 or whatever speaker that is looks more like the orange-ish cherry of my RC-10s although the RC-10s are not glossy.
post #44457 of 51596
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

Called two days ago, and at that time the rep said "plenty" were in the warehouse.

Did you decided to take the plunge and order a pair of the RC70's?
post #44458 of 51596
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Did you decided to take the plunge and order a pair of the RC70's?

believe me i want to,BUT i just can't convince myself into doing so. for the following reasons:

-my experience with UPS is they suck big time ie;handling of pkgs...

-no double boxed....

-imho would be a hassle to go through a damage claim...

and finally my primary listening is 90% movies, and 10% 2ch music. (maybe an hours worth a week of casual listening) i have a killer sub to handle all lower freq's.
post #44459 of 51596
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Not new. People have been pressurizing cars with subs for decades. But as neutro pointed out, it's only recently become more affordable in the home thanks to the ID sub vendors. There's also more interest recently in subs as a result of hip hop, EDM, and rap that produce bass heavy music into the lower frequencies.

But I think it's more than just pressurization that causes this interest in the ID subs. It's also the lower frequency extension and SQ quality of the sub. Think of it in terms of regular speakers. If you have a pair of bookshelves that go down to 60hz before rolling off, you can still hear the bass guitar. But add in a sub or use towers that produce lower frequencies, and some of those bass guitar notes become richer, fuller, on the bottom end because now the entire sound is present as it should be. Same with certain drum notes. With movies, bass effects typically cover a wide frequency range, too. So with good say 20hz extension, your system better reproduces that effect. Then cheaper subs or a sub that doesn't quite have enough output for your room will likely be producing high distortion in the low frequencies, and some of the budget subs even carry over that distortion into upper frequencies because of harmonics. Then consider the benefit of a driver with better transient response in the decay--sharper, clearer bass as a result (a plus for music, too)--and this all adds up to more realistic reproduction of the bass effects. So it's not about making the room "shake." That's what a budget sub does. The train wreck in Super 8 necessarily sounds AND feels different from the Hulk smashing into the ground or the helicopter blades beating air onto the ground in Black Hawk Down. It's an increase in realism, and even in more subtle ways. The DVD version of Master and Commander when the people are walking on deck above? Thanks to the sub working with the rest of my speakers, it sounds completely real in my room, as if I'm in the hold and people are walking around above my head. It's eerie.

So isn't that why people buy better speakers for movie watching? To get more realistic sound? Why not invest in the sub, too?

I knew about the cars and the sound power ( My best friend had 2,000 worth of speaker equipment in his car when we were younger lol) until now it didn't make sense with movies because growing up all I ever knew was a "Movie theater experience" being the best way to enjoy movies. And that was the goal to my home theater to replicate what happens at the theater and there's now deep low sounds coming from there. Thanks to you and other forum members thoughts have now made me want to upgrade my budget sub to something better thanks a lot tongue.gif. I guess in the future that might happen I'll have to sell the Bic.. Again thanks for the info, I'm relatively new to this hobby with this being my first "real theater" setup. It's not even in a dedicated room.
post #44460 of 51596
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

believe me i want to,BUT i just can't convince myself into doing so. for the following reasons:

-my experience with UPS is they suck big time ie;handling of pkgs...

-no double boxed....

-imho would be a hassle to go through a damage claim...

and finally my primary listening is 90% movies, and 10% 2ch music. (maybe an hours worth a week of casual listening) i have a killer sub to handle all lower freq's.
So it means the Rc 70 is not good for movies?
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