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Originally Posted by Agent 504 View Post

Is the RC-70 is huge step up from the CF-70? I just bought some CF-70s and a CC-10 center ...I am totally impressed and happy with them. But I am considering replacing the towers with the RCs if its a huge upgrade. Eventually, I want to step up to a PSB speaker setup just for the fact that they are still in business...

Disclaimer: I never listened to the CF-70s. But I wanted to, very much, in order to upgrade my older CB-20/CC-10/CB-5 setup. I wanted more clarity in the mids / voices and I thought the dedicated mids in the CF-70s would do the trick. Also I just wanted to experience the flagship floorstanding model I guess biggrin.gif Well it turned out the RC-70s sale at FutureShop meant those were *cheaper* than the CF-70s where I live, so I made the jump to the RC line. This meant pursuing the other RCs (RC-10, RC-LCR) south of the border, and it was a major PITA. But the prices were too good to let it go, and yes, it's true that the RC speakers are better than the Connoisseur line.

Yet I'm not sure it would be worth the upgrade from the CF-70s for many reasons. 1st, you'll have trouble finding matching RC speakers, and while mixing the lines is not impossible, it sure sounds better when all speakers match tonally. 2nd, in terms of range and power, the CF-70s are similar, and share the 3-way design with dedicated mids. 3rd, you already like the sound of your setup. Some are critical of the treble found in the Connoisseur line, but if you like it, you may find the RC line lacking in that regard. I myself sometimes miss the crystal clear treble of the CB-20s, even if I generally like the buttery smoothness of the RC tweeter.

So if bite, bite for curiosity's sake. And post a comparative review of the RC-70s and CF-70s; many here would like that, myself included.
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Originally Posted by glantern30 View Post

neurto, losservatore,cel thanks for the input and I apologize for kinda of jacking the thread. Especially after your comments Neutro and with that infomation I hope to never hear one of those high end subs... Or I'll be trying to find out ways to save up for one lmao Ignorance in this situations is truely bliss. I love the setup I have now and it's the closest thing I've heard to a movie theater which is the reference point for me

Hey, my original comment was not directed at you nor your sub smile.gif I think you have a honest sub, probably the best that you can buy for that money. It won't do seismic tremors, but few subs do anyway biggrin.gif You'll get plenty of punch and vigor in the mid-bass department, and this is something that you need for lively reproduction of percussions in music, and movies in general.

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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

But I think it's more than just pressurization that causes this interest in the ID subs. It's also the lower frequency extension and SQ quality of the sub. Think of it in terms of regular speakers.
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So isn't that why people buy better speakers for movie watching? To get more realistic sound? Why not invest in the sub, too?

Bingo! Absolutely! Better subs *also* have better sound quality, and from 20 Hz to the standard 80 Hz crossover frequency, there are two whole octaves to reproduce. Sub-par subs will go "booom" whenever a signal is sent to them, but the goal is accurate depiction of the waveform, not just output.

Reading John Tchilinguirian's 1994 interview about the design of the original Veritas linked by Batpig earlier, here's an interesting quote:
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Deutsch: What tradeoffs have you had to make in developing the Veritas?

Tchilinguirian: The biggest thing is size. I'd love to develop a $6000 loudspeaker that would go down to 17Hz, at good levels. Unfortunately, it would be very large. There are other ways you could do that—still, its cabinet would be much larger than that of the Veritas.

See? The solution to that is a good subwoofer. The goal is simply to have good reproduction of all content down to very low frequencies while keeping the output you have higher. 17 Hz was probably quoted because it's around the lowest frequency a pipe organ can play as dubstep was not yet invented biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by glantern30 View Post

I knew about the cars and the sound power ( My best friend had 2,000 worth of speaker equipment in his car when we were younger lol) until now it didn't make sense with movies because growing up all I ever knew was a "Movie theater experience" being the best way to enjoy movies. And that was the goal to my home theater to replicate what happens at the theater and there's now deep low sounds coming from there. Thanks to you and other forum members thoughts have now made me want to upgrade my budget sub to something better thanks a lot tongue.gif. I guess in the future that might happen I'll have to sell the Bic.. Again thanks for the info, I'm relatively new to this hobby with this being my first "real theater" setup. It's not even in a dedicated room.

Sorry wink.gif but you're right: I think theaters are not necessarily the best way to experiment movies nowadays. Not sure if it's a bad thing or a good thing, and it sure will depend on any particular setup or theater, but the simple fact that people are investing thousands in HT gear (this would likely secure almost a lifetime of weekly movie theater) is a hint that the theater experience is lacking in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

So it means the Rc 70 is not good for movies?

Not sure how you inferred that, but as other pointed out... they are superb HT speakers and they will be light-years ahead of your Takes, don't worry smile.gif
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Originally Posted by burkeydvm View Post

First time posting......have been reading the Thread for months and enjoy hearing all the knowledge being shared by long time participants/addicts:)
My current set up is: Denon 3312ci, CF70 for R/L fronts, CC10 for center, and EAS-C8 in ceiling for surrounds, and ESW-C8 sub. When I purchased this setup a little over a year ago, I figured I would be set for many years. Wrong! Not even 6 months later I was suffering from upgradeitis. Ha rolleyes.gif I watched the Fry's website every day waiting for the RC70's to go on sale. Needless to say I picked up two RC70s at my neighborhood Fry's here in Phoenix on Saturday. Pristine condition!! I hope everyone who has them shipped receives them in the same condition! I think they are boxed fairly well, so keep positive thoughts!

I figure many changes are going to occur with my system over time, like a new sub etc. One of my first questions is about my center channel. Somebody brought up the idea of getting a third RC70 and laying it horizontally below the TV. There were no comments from anyone who has done this, but I was just wondering what people with experience think about this idea?? I would lay the RC70 horizontally on my entertainment stand and then place the HDTV base directly on the side of the speaker. Thanks in advance!!

Welcome! I'm glad your RC-70s made it all right! As for your questions... I just think the RC-70s would really look silly on its side. Maybe you could simply saw it off? biggrin.gif Nah what you really want is the RC-LCR, but everybody wants it, and it's not available. If I were you, I'd keep the CC-10 and would check the used market regularly for good deals on an LCR. Many people here bought triple LCRs when they were on sale at Meijer's and are now upgrading to RC-70s, generating excess LCRs. Maybe deals can be made.

Oh and not to pick on a newcomer, but as you mention you're looking for a new sub anyway, I feel like I can make the comment: yeah, the ESW-C8 has to go biggrin.gif This is an example of a rather mediocre sub (I know, I had it for a while) that is of little use with CF-70s or RC-70s (those have better extension that the sub!). Upgrading that sub to the SVS SB12-NSD, which was the entry-level SVS sub at the time, was like night and day. In retrospect, it was one of the most worthwhile upgrade to my HT setup, along with going from bookshelves (CB-20s) to RC-70s.
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Thanks kgallerie and Darrin_r. I will probably go with music my family can take. Don't want everyone yelling at me :-) Still waiting for my tracking number from Fry's....C'mon! Calling them again....ahhhh they do have a tracking # but it's not on their site...wooo hooo! Delivery tomorrow!
Edited by eah9 - 2/19/13 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Bingo! Absolutely! Better subs *also* have better sound quality, and from 20 Hz to the standard 80 Hz crossover frequency, there are two whole octaves to reproduce. Sub-par subs will go "booom" whenever a signal is sent to them, but the goal is accurate depiction of the waveform, not just output.

Reading John Tchilinguirian's 1994 interview about the design of the original Veritas linked by Batpig earlier, here's an interesting quote:

See? The solution to that is a good subwoofer. The goal is simply to have good reproduction of all content down to very low frequencies while keeping the output you have higher. 17 Hz was probably quoted because it's around the lowest frequency a pipe organ can play as dubstep was not yet invented biggrin.gif

And in my opinion, and I think most of us will agree who have experienced this, the ID subs bring a comparable SQ experience when paired with the Veritas or RC lines. So an inexpensive budget sub may sound good to someone who has not experience these ID subs, just as a pair of Polk Monitors might sound great to someone who has never heard the Veritas or RC speakers smile.gif
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Sorry wink.gif but you're right: I think theaters are not necessarily the best way to experiment movies nowadays. Not sure if it's a bad thing or a good thing, and it sure will depend on any particular setup or theater, but the simple fact that people are investing thousands in HT gear (this would likely secure almost a lifetime of weekly movie theater) is a hint that the theater experience is lacking in my opinion.

I saw your other post about James Bond Skyfall. My experience mirrored yours. The picture was much worse than what I get on my Panasonic Plasma, and the SQ was not comparable to my Energy RC setup with my subs.

While Skyfall seemed an exception regarding movie theater video quality, I often feel my home audio system meets or exceeds the movie theater sound experience.
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is anybody here selling youre spare RC LCR? smile.gif
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Anyone got their RC70 in east coast? am still waiting for the tracking# - though it says shipped on 15th.
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

is anybody here selling youre spare RC LCR? smile.gif

There was someone selling..please check a few pages back, I remember he had a 3 RC LCR setup.
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Originally Posted by SandyMan007 View Post

Anyone got their RC70 in east coast? am still waiting for the tracking# - though it says shipped on 15th.
yes i ordered mine on the 15th too. im from nyc and i called frys she said it is out for delivery today,
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

is anybody here selling youre spare RC LCR? smile.gif

Haha, we should start a wait list for those looking.
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Just got mine, and look at that pretty scar on the box! Thankfully, the speakers themselves are in perfect shape.
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I just bought the veritas 5.2c. for 199 from Amazon (Vann's Store). Couldn't wait for a price dip on the LCR....1 more day for my RC-70's. I ordered late on the 15th and PA delivery east coast. You have to call to get a tracking # from Fry's.
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Don't hold your breath waiting for a tracking # from Frys....I've bought quite a few things from them (including a panny plasma just last week) and their site never updated with a tracking #. I was about to pick up the phone and call and then got a knock at my door from the UPS guy with TV in tow biggrin.gif

Definitely give them a call to track.
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Originally Posted by gostillerz View Post

Just got mine, and look at that pretty scar on the box! Thankfully, the speakers themselves are in perfect shape.

Wow.....what the heck do they do with these boxes........use them as tackling dummies?
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Originally Posted by gostillerz View Post

Just got mine, and look at that pretty scar on the box! Thankfully, the speakers themselves are in perfect shape.

Glad the speaker was ok, someone did a number on that box.
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Congrats! Hopefully everyone will be just as fortunate. I think that makes it 2 out of 2 that are ok. Box is scary though...Yikes.
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

I just bought the veritas 5.2c. for 199 from Amazon (Vann's Store). Couldn't wait for a price dip....1 more day for my RC-70's.

As I've noted on previous pages, I am really enjoying this combo of RC70s and Veritas 5.2c's (The V speakers being used for center channel and rear surrounds). The woofers are identical (though not sure about the crossovers) and the different tweeter provides additional crispness and clarity for vocals on the center track. I love the inherent warmth of the RC and it sounds wonderful for music, but the emphasized midrange of the LCR, to me, sounds like the treble is too low and can make dialogue in a 5.1 track seem rather "breathy."

For those with similar tastes who prefer their center track a little "brighter," the 5.2c will match extremely well with your 70s.
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Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post

Haha, we should start a wait list for those looking.

I think first and foremost those who want to sell should come forward first biggrin.gif Then, maybe some kind of auction would be the best way to reach a fair price considering the situation. Well I guess what I mean is that sellers should post a link to their eBay auctions on this thread.
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Originally Posted by gostillerz View Post

Just got mine, and look at that pretty scar on the box! Thankfully, the speakers themselves are in perfect shape.

You are very lucky as, if I remember correctly, the speaker's corners are not protected at all in the original packaging -- there's only foam on all side but nothing to pad the edges.

As for how the box looks... looks like standard UPS to me. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

yes i ordered mine on the 15th too. im from nyc and i called frys she said it is out for delivery today,

Thats great news smile.gif
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Thanks Avarice! I am sure I will be more than happy. Going from a CS10 and yes....Onyko HTIB..to RC70's and v5.2c....Glad you think it's a good match. Not paying $400 for the LCR. Just can't justify it at this time. Good SUb will be next. I do have a KRK 10 in my recording Studio that I rarely use because I use headphones (kids etc..)....It is a great subw so it might work out for my HT and save me a few bucks. Using a new sony1030 receiver 1015w.
Edited by eah9 - 2/19/13 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by _Avarice_ View Post

As I've noted on previous pages, I am really enjoying this combo of RC70s and Veritas 5.2c's (The V speakers being used for center channel and rear surrounds). The woofers are identical (though not sure about the crossovers) and the different tweeter provides additional crispness and clarity for vocals on the center track. I love the inherent warmth of the RC and it sounds wonderful for music, but the emphasized midrange of the LCR, to me, sounds like the treble is too low and can make dialogue in a 5.1 track seem rather "breathy."

For those with similar tastes who prefer their center track a little "brighter," the 5.2c will match extremely well with your 70s.

This is really good info, thanks. Strongly considering doing this myself since my center will be hidden in the entertainment center behind a front panel with speaker cloth over it. I've often wondered if the sound from my AC-300 essentially going through two speaker grills (the one on the speaker itself and the one on the entertainment center) would soften the vocals and muddy them to an extent. If this could be happening, I thought the brightness that people have said the Veritas have might really work well in my situation, matching up to the RC-70's.

And with my center being hidden, the finish of the 5.2C wouldn't matter.
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Finally after having the veritas v minis with music all night they actually open up and now they do sound like the larger veritas tweeters smile.gif I was missing the extra detail that the veritas offer over the RC series ,Dont get me wrong the RC tweeter have great detail too.


both tweeter have their pros and cons so dont get me wrong.smile.gif
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Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post

I've often wondered if the sound from my AC-300 essentially going through two speaker grills (the one on the speaker itself and the one on the entertainment center) would soften the vocals and muddy them to an extent. If this could be happening, I thought the brightness that people have said the Veritas have might really work well in my situation, matching up to the RC-70's.

The speaker grills do make a noticable difference in the high frequencies, but you can leave off the speaker's own grill if it's behind another. And if you have a system with automatic setup (Audyssey etc.) then it's going to try and EQ the different speakers to sound the same with or without grills anyway.
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Originally Posted by Darrin_R View Post

Ok but they look the same as everyones.

Yes I took my border off of the screen.





You own a nice setup; I am admiring your very clean, neat wire management as well. Good job!!!
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Please if you dont mind is okay and I know that for the price you cant ask for more,But inspect the speakers very closely it has happened before that the speakers had been repair and you dont even noticed till you look closer.
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good news! my 3 year old son just called me and telling me that my pair RC 70 got deliverd already! im so excited to get home from work!
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That's great!! Please post the condition if you get a chance...Mine come tomorrow....
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Finally after having the veritas v minis with music all night they actually open up and now they do sound like the larger veritas tweeters smile.gif I was missing the extra detail that the veritas offer over the RC series ,Dont get me wrong the RC tweeter have great detail too.


both tweeter have their pros and cons so dont get me wrong.smile.gif

Could you care to name the pros and cons of each in your experience?
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

good news! my 3 year old son just called me and telling me that my pair RC 70 got deliverd already! im so excited to get home from work!

Good boy
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

That's great!! Please post the condition if you get a chance...Mine come tomorrow....

SURE NO problem. il post it right away when i get home.
btw, instead of looking for RC LCR does the Veritas 5.2 will be a perfect match? i dont wanna spend that much money 499 for just the LCR my wife will divorce me for spending that much money for just speakers! lol.
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

btw, instead of looking for RC LCR does the Veritas 5.2 will be a perfect match? i dont wanna spend that much money 499 for just the LCR my wife will divorce me for spending that much money for just speakers! lol.

I'm hoping so based on what Avarice posted earlier. I snagged one from Vann's before they are gone, since I missed out on the wwstereo $170 price on them. This way at least I can keep my AC-300 matched up with my C-6's when I move them into another room.

I'll keep looking for an LCR though.
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

And in my opinion, and I think most of us will agree who have experienced this, the ID subs bring a comparable SQ experience when paired with the Veritas or RC lines. So an inexpensive budget sub may sound good to someone who has not experience these ID subs, just as a pair of Polk Monitors might sound great to someone who has never heard the Veritas or RC speakers smile.gif
I saw your other post about James Bond Skyfall. My experience mirrored yours. The picture was much worse than what I get on my Panasonic Plasma, and the SQ was not comparable to my Energy RC setup with my subs.

While Skyfall seemed an exception regarding movie theater video quality, I often feel my home audio system meets or exceeds the movie theater sound experience.

Hey guys,

for what its worth check out Ralphs review for skyfall it seems the blu ray version is leaps and bounds better then the theater representation. Both audio and picture quality! I haven't watch it yet its sitting on my counter waiting for my wife and son to go to the in laws so I can crank it up lol


Could be a good test for your systems

Cheers!
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