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post #44701 of 51438
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

i guess i don't understand the( i don't give a $hit attitude) these parcel carriers have. they are very well compensated through a very well organized collective bargaining agreement, and yet toss/throw place hvy objects on fragile boxes etc. in fact i'm willing to bet they love seeing the words fragile,handle with care this side up etc. it seems to be an industry wide problem. come on guys can you respect other peoples hard earned money for once. geez...

Okay, settle down a bit. I know you're pissed, but I deal with the same crap every day.

The loaders who are "very well compensated" start at $8.50/hr. After 5 years, they get to maybe $11.00, at 20 hours a week if they're lucky. With bosses cracking the whip and threatening to fire them, they're told to make it fit in the truck no matter what. I'm sure you've seen the size of the trucks. You can't put a 4 foot long 60lb box on a shelf. Hell, the boxes for mine were mangled too.

You do realize that boxes for the tower speakers are packed to be shipped by freight on skids right? There is no protection in those things at all. Hell, Emotiva double boxes 15lb gear. Write an angry letter to Energy, Audiovox, the company who provided the inefficient styrofoam, corrugated cardboard, etc. If you read previous posts, one would come to the conclusion that poor packaging has been an issue.

You seem to be one of those guys who orders a $100 steak dinner and leaves the waitress $2 because she didn't ask if you wanted a wedge of lemon in your water, then calls the news channels because she became "hostile" when you sent back your steak for the third time.
Edited by gostillerz - 2/20/13 at 5:08pm
post #44702 of 51438
As has been said before, these boxes were NOT designed to be shipped individually but on a pallet to retailers. That's not to say that the UPS couldn't have tried a little harder. My problem with it all is the same reason I stopped collecting pottery over the internet. It pained me to be the one that requested something so valuable to be tossed into a truck and sent half way across the continent to suffer whatever abuse could be thrown at it. I feel your pain. When someone uses the word "ouch" in response to the pics, it means they're actually feeling the pain too. The good news is, these speakers are all going to SOUND awesome once you get them all patched up and broken in. Well worth the price and frustration.
post #44703 of 51438
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Originally Posted by SandyMan007 View Post

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Originally Posted by gostillerz View Post

Not to scare you, but if one was delivered and the other wasn't, there's a good chance it might be damaged. Sometimes the driver will sheet it up as damaged and bring it back. One time (okay, several times) I'd have something that you could tell was busted. Loose stuff moving, broken glass etc. When I bring it back to the center, they'll open it up and check. If it's good, they retape it and send it out again the next day. If it's banged up, I think they send it to claims but I'm not sure.

Now this gets me worried, I thought they must have come in two different vans and one decided to leave it at office and the other took it back smile.gif . Anyways, lets see smile.gif I'll hope for the best but be prepared for the worst smile.gif


Dont worry it had happened to me that one speaker arrived first then the other the next day.
post #44704 of 51438
My friend had pair of Polk rtiA9 ($399 each ) from Newegg. Delivered in 2 days by UPS. 1 damage but since Newegg sale dirt cheap OOS so told him return both and will honor the price next time back in stock. 3 weeks later shipment 2 next day by air from CA still one damage and 1 small chip. Shipment 3 one of the box beat up so bad he almost told the UPS guy took back but open up perfect inside. The cost of all 3 shipments include one next day air for 90lb X2 package already cost more than $798. Not sure who pay the bills. But at least my friend now is a happy polkie after all the hassle.
post #44705 of 51438
Please guys calm down this tread looks totally mess up now with all this stories and conspiracies theories.eek.gif
post #44706 of 51438
members are getting freak out redface.gifbiggrin.gif
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Well I just got off the phone with UPS to have them hold my RC-70s at the local depot. They may already be damaged but at least they won't bounce around the neighborhood truck all day before being delivered. And if there is any significant damage I can just leave them there. It took a little pleading and whining, but the helpful, friendly even, young man did his best to get my hold request submitted.

Crossing fingers, praying to the Energy gods, we'll see in the morning when I pick them up!
post #44708 of 51438
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Originally Posted by gostillerz View Post

Just got mine, and look at that pretty scar on the box! Thankfully, the speakers themselves are in perfect shape.
As someone with several years of delivery driver experience, I can almost assure you that is loading damage. The box is loaded on the outside of a pallet which is then loaded into the trailer. The loader gets the pallet too close to the wall of the trailer and catches the box on a sharp piece of metal sticking out slightly but enough to do the damage that you see there. Warehouse people are constantly under pressure to work faster. In no way am I condoning damaged goods, but just giving you the perspective of someone who has seen what goes on behind the scenes.
post #44709 of 51438
I wont blame ups that much,energy have most of the fault for not paying the extra money to properly packaging the speakers, this speakers comes from china they had been traveling a lot.
post #44710 of 51438
Well, all the Energy boxes at my Fry's location were in perfect condition. I bet when all these others came on freighter to the USA they were fine too.

They just weren't meant to be shipped individually like UPS does it. Maybe you can blame Energy or maybe you blame the vendor for not double boxing.

I got some Jamo speakers from back east a few years ago that weren't package well either. By the time the box was delivered to my work the smaller tower box pair was totally split open. The speakers were wrapped in plastic but the box was completely trashed. The larger towers were packaged individually and those boxes were in decent shape.

Luckily no damage to any of them.

Sometimes its a crapshoot.
post #44711 of 51438
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Originally Posted by brendelac View Post

As someone with several years of delivery driver experience, I can almost assure you that is loading damage. The box is loaded on the outside of a pallet which is then loaded into the trailer. The loader gets the pallet too close to the wall of the trailer and catches the box on a sharp piece of metal sticking out slightly but enough to do the damage that you see there. Warehouse people are constantly under pressure to work faster. In no way am I condoning damaged goods, but just giving you the perspective of someone who has seen what goes on behind the scenes.

This isn't freight shipping.

At 9am, I unload about 150 loose boxes that weigh roughly 50lbs each. At 5:30, I pick up about 200 loose boxes that weigh the same. It's all done by hand, in a little UPS truck that wasn't built to carry that much weight. It would make sense for freight to get it, but reports need to have certain numbers to satisfy stockholders and justify the people working in the cubicles. UPS Freight is a completely different company like FedEx home delivery is.

I hate when I see a box that is banged up, especially for electronics. I've been written up for "failure to make service" a few times for stuff that was banged up to hell and sheeted them up as damaged, even though UPS policy is not to deliver damaged goods.
Edited by gostillerz - 2/20/13 at 6:56pm
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Trying to help a couple of friends who bought the RC-70s.What would be a good receiver under 500 bucks for them?
Something brighter than the Denons might complement the already warm RC-70s well, is what I think.
Any suggestions on some receivers?
post #44713 of 51438
I have a delivery problem of my own though not involving RC-70's from Frey's. I sold off my CF-30's last weekend and wanted to buy two more veritas v5.2 for surrounds to complement my three front
v5.2's. I am all stoked to get home tonight when I notice only one box on my front porch. WW stereo only sent one of my v5.2's even though my email receipt states two on the order and I was charged for two. They are only available 9 to 5 so I will have to call tomorrow morning but UPS states that only one was on tracking. Anyone have this problem with wwstereo before. My last order of two v.52's arrived just fine. If they only had one left, I would think they would have confirmed it before shipping. At least there was no shipping damage and the rosenut finish is beautiful. Is vann's my best option if wwstereo cannot fullfill my order? Thanks.
post #44714 of 51438
Just got home with my new RC-70's...I snagged the last set in stock!! Now I plan to order the Veritas 5.2c for my center. This is my first home theater system and I'm going to do it right from the start.


To all of my fellow members I have a few questions, hopefully I will get some guidance as to where to go from here (please be gentle, I'm a noob and this is my first HT system).

- I plan to run just a 3.1 system for a while (RC-70's & Veritas 5.2c, and either an Outlaw or HSU sub) but need help selecting a receiver.I have heard the RC-70's sound their best if you really put some power to them. So should I go with a cheaper receiver & throw another amp on top of them for an additional 100 watts or so? I really liked the Denon receivers but are they considered warm in sound, maybe something brighter would open them up little more. Also what size, 5.1,7.1, or 7.2?

Thanks to all for any help.

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Edited by Stol3n - 2/20/13 at 7:14pm
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Energy should have paid for larger boxes with stronger and bigger pieces of Styrofoam there is no obligation to the store to double box then since they are already in a box with Styrofoam.


My first pair of veritas v6.3 came with dents in the back ,I return the speakers , the second pair arrive in perfect condition,same thing happened with my RC-70s and return it, then the second arrive in perfect condition.


The stores dont want to take the extra time to double box a speaker those speakers are already inside a box.But I also think that with so many returns and complains they should do it ,but they dont ,They maybe do a claim to ups then get a check from ups and sell then back as dented with a lower price.


2 members during the sale send me a message, they want a advice and they want it to get this speakers but they are out of the states and I told then (no) the speaker are not well packaging and the Styrofoam is very weak,I think one person decide it to buy then but the second person didn't do it.

after see this pictures now you know why smile.gif if you get then to hawaii without any dent good luck.
Edited by losservatore - 2/20/13 at 7:42pm
post #44716 of 51438
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Originally Posted by Stol3n View Post

So should I go with a cheaper receiver & throw another amp on top of them for an additional 100 watts or so?
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A cheaper receiver wouldnt have the pre-outs to let you add an amp on top of it. So I guess your better bet is to get a good receiver with enough power and that can do 7.1/2 or more. That way you dont have to upgrade soon.
post #44717 of 51438
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Originally Posted by mmbuckwa View Post

I have a delivery problem of my own though not involving RC-70's from Frey's. I sold off my CF-30's last weekend and wanted to buy two more veritas v5.2 for surrounds to complement my three front
v5.2's. I am all stoked to get home tonight when I notice only one box on my front porch. WW stereo only sent one of my v5.2's even though my email receipt states two on the order and I was charged for two. They are only available 9 to 5 so I will have to call tomorrow morning but UPS states that only one was on tracking. Anyone have this problem with wwstereo before. My last order of two v.52's arrived just fine. If they only had one left, I would think they would have confirmed it before shipping. At least there was no shipping damage and the rosenut finish is beautiful. Is vann's my best option if wwstereo cannot fullfill my order? Thanks.

if there was only one on tracking you might be getting the other one tomorrow. Nothing you can do about it tonite so wait until the morning to see what happens.
post #44718 of 51438
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

Trying to help a couple of friends who bought the RC-70s.What would be a good receiver under 500 bucks for them?
Something brighter than the Denons might complement the already warm RC-70s well, is what I think.
Any suggestions on some receivers?

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Originally Posted by Stol3n View Post

Just got home with my new RC-70's...I snagged the last set in stock!! Now I plan to order the Veritas 5.2c for my center. This is my first home theater system and I'm going to do it right from the start.


To all of my fellow members I have a few questions, hopefully I will get some guidance as to where to go from here (please be gentle, I'm a noob and this is my first HT system).

- I plan to run just a 3.1 system for a while (RC-70's & Veritas 5.2c, and either an Outlaw or HSU sub) but need help selecting a receiver.I have heard the RC-70's sound their best if you really put some power to them. So should I go with a cheaper receiver & throw another amp on top of them for an additional 100 watts or so? I really liked the Denon receivers but are they considered warm in sound, maybe something brighter would open them up little more. Also what size, 5.1,7.1, or 7.2?

Thanks to all for any help.

cool.gif


Someone is selling a Denon in the for sale thread. That might work for one of you.
post #44719 of 51438
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Originally Posted by Stol3n View Post

Just got home with my new RC-70's...I snagged the last set in stock!! Now I plan to order the Veritas 5.2c for my center. This is my first home theater system and I'm going to do it right from the start.


To all of my fellow members I have a few questions, hopefully I will get some guidance as to where to go from here (please be gentle, I'm a noob and this is my first HT system).

- I plan to run just a 3.1 system for a while (RC-70's & Veritas 5.2c, and either an Outlaw or HSU sub) but need help selecting a receiver.I have heard the RC-70's sound their best if you really put some power to them. So should I go with a cheaper receiver & throw another amp on top of them for an additional 100 watts or so? I really liked the Denon receivers but are they considered warm in sound, maybe something brighter would open them up little more. Also what size, 5.1,7.1, or 7.2?

Thanks to all for any help.

cool.gif

I've got my RC-70's connected to my Denon 1613 in my bedroom right now. That's enough power to get them really loud in a smaller to medium room. -15db is very loud in Direct mode. So it should be enough for most.

But if you want a receiver with preouts so that you can add an amp later you'll have to spend a liltte more money.
post #44720 of 51438
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Originally Posted by mmbuckwa View Post

I have a delivery problem of my own though not involving RC-70's from Frey's. I sold off my CF-30's last weekend and wanted to buy two more veritas v5.2 for surrounds to complement my three front
v5.2's. I am all stoked to get home tonight when I notice only one box on my front porch. WW stereo only sent one of my v5.2's even though my email receipt states two on the order and I was charged for two. They are only available 9 to 5 so I will have to call tomorrow morning but UPS states that only one was on tracking. Anyone have this problem with wwstereo before. My last order of two v.52's arrived just fine. If they only had one left, I would think they would have confirmed it before shipping. At least there was no shipping damage and the rosenut finish is beautiful. Is vann's my best option if wwstereo cannot fullfill my order? Thanks.

I have had exceptional customer service with wwstereo, I am sure they will sort it out for you. They have always replied back to my emails and followed up promptly.

To tell you about my experience - I got a couple of speakers from them and few of their grill plugs were broken but they worked good, I sent them an email asking them to look into their packaging so other customers did not face same issue. They wrote back and offered to replace my speakers, I dint want to go through the hassle of returning and told them my only intent was to give a feedback so they could improve their packaging. They left me a voice mail and emailed me few times saying they wanted to address the issue, I got busy with work and could not reply but they emailed again after a few weeks and refunded a very good amount, was not expecting it at all.
post #44721 of 51438
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

A cheaper receiver wouldnt have the pre-outs to let you add an amp on top of it. So I guess your better bet is to get a good receiver with enough power and that can do 7.1/2 or more. That way you dont have to upgrade soon.

I should've known that but I guess I'm still so pumped about the RC-70's that I jumped the gun on that one.

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Originally Posted by surfer8210 View Post


Someone is selling a Denon in the for sale thread. That might work for one of you.

Thanks, I will check it out.

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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

I've got my RC-70's connected to my Denon 1613 in my bedroom right now. That's enough power to get them really loud in a smaller to medium room. -15db is very loud in Direct mode. So it should be enough for most.

But if you want a receiver with preouts so that you can add an amp later you'll have to spend a liltte more money.

I would like a receiver with at least 90w/ch. This may be a stupid question so please pardon my ignorance. If I buy a 7.1 receiver and I'm only using the 3 front speakers is there any way to use the power from any of the remaining 4 empty channels?
Edited by Stol3n - 2/20/13 at 7:56pm
post #44722 of 51438
I said it a bit earlier, but I love the Energy/Denon combination. "Warmth" can be a very good thing, if it's kind of warmth Denon brings to the RC70s. I just spent about an hour listening to the Denon 3313CI at a Magnolia store. All the richness, depth, and "warmth" that I have been missing since I switched over to a Yamaha A3000 was there again. I wasn't listening to Energy RC70s, though. I was listening to B&W CM9GBs, but I think they were closer to the RC70s than the Energy CF70s they also had on display. Audio is VERY subjective. A lot of people think I'm nuts for "dissing" the Yamaha A3000, which gets rave reviews from users and critics, but the heart loves what the heart loves, right? Anyone wanna buy a Yamaha A3000? I'm getting another Denon. biggrin.gif
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Ok guys here is the pic of my base speaker cracked dented. I dont know how frys will give me a refund of this. They want to see the damaged first before they give me a refund. What do you think guys? Is it a bad enough damage?
post #44724 of 51438
You could use your unused channels to bi-amp the ones in use. Now, noticing the effect of that on the sound is a different discussion. A touchy one.
post #44725 of 51438
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

I said it a bit earlier, but I love the Energy/Denon combination. "Warmth" can be a very good thing, if it's kind of warmth Denon brings to the RC70s. I just spent about an hour listening to the Denon 3313CI at a Magnolia store. All the richness, depth, and "warmth" that I have been missing since I switched over to a Yamaha A3000 was there again. I wasn't listening to Energy RC70s, though. I was listening to B&W CM9GBs, but I think they were closer to the RC70s than the Energy CF70s they also had on display. Audio is VERY subjective. A lot of people think I'm nuts for "dissing" the Yamaha A3000, which gets rave reviews from users and critics, but the heart loves what the heart loves, right? Anyone wanna buy a Yamaha A3000? I'm getting another Denon. biggrin.gif

Its nice to see many RC-70 owners warming up to the Denons, mostly because if you have an RC-70, thats the kind of sound you are drawn into to begin with.
However I think its also a good thing to be pairing them with a little more brighter gear to give it a little edge that can help if its not just music you are gonna be using the speakers for.
Having said that, how would a good Pioneer receiver pair with the 70s. Any models that anyone can suggest?
post #44726 of 51438
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

You could use your unused channels to bi-amp the ones in use. Now, noticing the effect of that on the sound is a different discussion. A touchy one.

So this is what I was reading about the other day...yes, it seemed very touchy. Some seemed to think it did absolutely nothing, but at the least wouldn't it provide a better ground (more wire from the speaker to the receiver), reduce distortion, and enhance the clarity?
post #44727 of 51438
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Originally Posted by Stol3n View Post

So this is what I was reading about the other day...yes, it seemed very touchy. Some seemed to think it did absolutely nothing, but at the least wouldn't it provide a better ground, reduce distortion, and enhance the clarity?

Only thing I ever heard being improved from someone who I know who had tried it is that it got a little louder. Other than that nothing else was noticeable. But you could definitely try it, and see for yourself.
post #44728 of 51438
On another note, while at FRY's the only 2 receivers I got to tinker with were Denon and Onkyo. I'm kind of leaning towards Denon for my receiver because I like the overall fit/finish and I hear Audyssey is the bomb (and being able to ed the sub). However, I hear great things about the Yamahas being reliable and a pretty good value. Between Denon and Yamaha how would their produced sound be classified...warm,bright, forward, etc?

Can the newer Yamahas eq subs?
post #44729 of 51438
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

Only thing I ever heard being improved from someone who I know who had tried it is that it got a little louder. Other than that nothing else was noticeable. But you could definitely try it, and see for yourself.

Couldn't hurt, after all there will be 4 empty channels to play with for the time being so I will definitely try it out.
post #44730 of 51438
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Originally Posted by Stol3n View Post

Between Denon and Yamaha how would their produced sound be classified...warm,bright, forward, etc?
Yamahas are generally known to be brighter when compared to the Denons. Denons are warmer and you can clearly tell that when you listen to them.
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