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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

Good decision! A guy at HHGr was pushing me toward Klipsch too. They do sound nice and all...but I have had my RC70's for a day now from Fry's and ran the pink noise over-night and they are sounding incredible at this point. My son and I watched a movie last night (lower volume) and we both jumped out of our seats at one point because the RC70's were so realistic sounding. And this was a movie we had seen several times before.


why the pink noise? ,just put some music at moderate volumes, the speakers and crossover components will break in while you enjoy the music.

The drivers needs some movement:).
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A friend who ordered the RC-70s received them yesterday, and the boxes were in pretty bad shape and stuff rattling inside. So he didnt even bother opening them to check and just refused the delivery. The speakers were shipped from Memphis.
Just a heads up for anyone expecting their speakers, make sure that they are in proper shape and refuse delivery if you have to. I know it might not be possible to get a replacement, because of them being almost sold out everywhere. But make sure you know what you are getting.
post #44763 of 51480
I am actually running 4 files on repeat - white noise (full spectrum of frequencies), pink noise (spectrum filtered - more like what we hear), brown noise (son put that on there as a joke I think but it sounds similar), and a sweep. I read in a few places that it helps break the speakers in quicker and more evenly. It is helping quite a bit and I can tell when I switch to music it sounds better - especially the tweeter. I just run it when nobody is around and overnight.

Speaking of crossover....I had to replace my receiver 2 days before the SuperBowl and picked up the sony str-dn1030. It did well in reviews but I most likely should have picked up a Denon...but didn't know any better. Anyway...It does have a calculation/ with mic (including crossovers) but I didn't run it with my new RC70's yet but will in a day or 2. What is the typical crossover for the RC70's? I have a junky sub right now and am getting the V5.2C tomorrow. Junky surrounds right now too.

Thanks!
Edited by eah9 - 2/21/13 at 8:37am
post #44764 of 51480
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Audyssey MultEQ uses 6 listening positions, MultEQ XT uses 8.

I think MCACC and YPAO only use one listening position. At least that's what the basic versions do.

YPAO uses a single crossover, maybe the same for MCACC? Audyssey has seperate crossovers for the front, center, surround and surround back speakers.

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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

Dont know about MCACC, but I had used YPAO few years ago, and back then it was one listening position.
Audyssey on the other hand does have its merits because of its much advanced features.
One other calibration system that comes to mind is Anthem's ARC, which is also pretty good, but it needs a pc to do its calibration.

Yes, my MCACC only has one listening position. I technically only have 4 listening positions in the room, of which only 2 are really used, and I calibrate it with the mic at the center of the couch.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Totally agree with this post except for the bi amping part. The existence or concept of biamping has absolutely nothing to do with 7 ch receivers and has been around long before the ideas of surround sound. Bi amping can be beneficial but only if the speaker crossover is completely defeated. This makes it impractical for most home applications.

I think you missed Batpig's point about the power supply. The receiver just simply doesn't have enough ummmmph to drive multi channels at the rated wattage. If you are talking mono blocks - yes in deed but that is a discussion for another thread.
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post


Yes, my MCACC only has one listening position. I technically only have 4 listening positions in the room, of which only 2 are really used, and I calibrate it with the mic at the center of the couch.

On my receiver MCACC has 3 positions in the advanced manual setup. I really do like the way you can fine tune MCACC. I also liked the Audyssey but I don't need the bass management because I have a BFD. Not a fan of YPAO - just OK IMO.
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

why the pink noise? ,just put some music at moderate volumes, the speakers and crossover components will break in while you enjoy the music.

The drivers needs some movement:).

Because pink noise covers all octaves, music doesn't. It just gives it a little harder workout. Just don't sit there and listen to it.smile.gif
post #44768 of 51480
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

,just put some music at moderate volumes, the speakers and crossover components will break in while you enjoy the music.
Crossover components have no moving parts, so there is nothing to break in.
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Because pink noise covers all octaves, music doesn't.
That's not why pink noise is used. Pink noise has the same -3dB reduction in power density per increase in octave as music, so it's a perfect substitute for music under testing conditions. Where breaking in speakers is concerned both work equally well, though most of us find listening to music less of a chore than listening to pink noise.
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Originally Posted by Darrin_R View Post

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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

why the pink noise? ,just put some music at moderate volumes, the speakers and crossover components will break in while you enjoy the music.

The drivers needs some movement:).

Because pink noise covers all octaves, music doesn't. It just gives it a little harder workout. Just don't sit there and listen to it.smile.gif

I'm not going to enter into a debate here about the break in ,many experts will agree with me break in is a natural process, there is not need for especial sounds that claim to do a special miracle to the speakers , what will make the difference? This is a topic that always end to the same point of view is a natural process.

The claims that a speaker need 100 hours of break in is very subjective.
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

,just put some music at moderate volumes, the speakers and crossover components will break in while you enjoy the music.
Crossover components have no moving parts, so there is nothing to break in.
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Because pink noise covers all octaves, music doesn't.
That's not why pink noise is used. Pink noise has the same -3dB reduction in power density per increase in octave as music, so it's a perfect substitute for music under testing conditions. Where breaking in speakers is concerned both work equally well, though most of us find listening to music less of a chore than listening to pink noise.
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Finally a expert here thanks bill for clarifying that!!! What about the crossover components is there any changes in the crossover components with the electricity current and heat?
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My point is that speakers do have moving parts and covering all octaves might help, it sure won't hurt. I just know it's causing driver movement. Other than that, I really don't care.
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

w



Finally a expert here thanks bill for clarifying that!!! What about the crossover components is there any changes in the crossover components with the electricity current and heat?

I'll defer to Bill on the actual crossovers, but as far as the electronics, they should have been burned in before becoming part of the crossover, and I assume the crossovers themselves are burnt in for a period of time before assembly. That's how you eliminate faulty components, minimize heat issues, etc. in any electronic assembly.
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Crossover components have no moving parts, so there is nothing to break in.

Who said that a crossover has moving parts?
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

w



Finally a expert here thanks bill for clarifying that!!! What about the crossover components is there any changes in the crossover components with the electricity current and heat?

I'll defer to Bill on the actual crossovers, but as far as the electronics, they should have been burned in before becoming part of the crossover, and I assume the crossovers themselves are burnt in for a period of time before assembly. That's how you eliminate faulty components, minimize heat issues, etc. in any electronic assembly.

I think he was just clarifying that crossover components do not break in.

Crossover component may go to another process with electricity and heat.


What I know for sure is that all this is a natural process there is no need for especial sounds unless like bill said( unless is done under testing conditions) that means at the factory.
Edited by losservatore - 2/21/13 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by Darrin_R View Post

My point is that speakers do have moving parts and covering all octaves might help, it sure won't hurt. I just know it's causing driver movement. Other than that, I really don't care.

Sure it won't hurt at all, but why playing white noise when you can enjoy some music smile.gif

But I respect your option.
post #44776 of 51480
Sounds good. I am using both methods. The speakers are great! Basically don't turn it up full tilt for 100 hours. End of break in discussion. :-). What is the general crossover setting for the RC-70s? 80hz or 60hz? v5.2c and junky sub and surrounds. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

Sounds good. I am using both methods. The speakers are great! Basically don't turn it up full tilt for 100 hours. End of break in discussion. :-). What is the general crossover setting for the RC-70s? 80hz or 60hz? v5.2c and junky sub and surrounds. Thanks!

try both and see which you like better. Although 80hz is typically recommended.

How junky is your junky sub (i.e. what brand and model)? You may be better off using just the RC-70's for now until you upgrade your sub since they are rated down to 31 hz.
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Does anyone know if the Veritas are being discontinued? Since the RC-LCR is so hard to come by and quite expensive I'm most likely going to order a Veritas 5.2-C for my center. I would love to have the black finish but I'm afraid of holding out in fear of the Veritas being discontinued, especially since the V-5.2-C is $199 right now in the Rosenut finish.

Can anyone confirm?
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Sure it won't hurt at all, but why playing white noise when you can enjoy some music smile.gif

But I respect your option.

Thank you sir. I took your advise and right now I am going old school with a little Dire Straits. biggrin.gif

Just to make things clear I was not playing white noise, I was playing pink noise. White noise doesn't have the -3db reduction per octave. That might push the tweeter somewhat. eek.gif
post #44780 of 51480
80hz is the most commonly use ,I personally use 80hz and let the sub do the rest.


But if you are just using then for stereo with not sub,You can set then lower than 80hz.

all my speakers are setup to 80hz, the speakers spec claim to go lower but I found that 80hz is the best option for my complete 7.1 setup.
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Originally Posted by Stol3n View Post

Does anyone know if the Veritas are being discontinued? Since the RC-LCR is so hard to come by and quite expensive I'm most likely going to order a Veritas 5.2-C for my center. I would love to have the black finish but I'm afraid of holding out in fear of the Veritas being discontinued, especially since the V-5.2-C is $199 right now in the Rosenut finish.

Can anyone confirm?

Lack of availability answers your own question, I'd check with Vanns or WW Stereo for any returns of the black model. No go, get the Rosenut while you can.
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Thank kgallerie! I will try 80. My sub is a Kenwood from 10 years ago...not good....I do have a KRK 10s in my "recording studio"\ office which I am considering moving to the HT but it's only rated to go to 34hz. It does sound great for music when mixing - paid nearly 400 for it. Would that be a better option? I will get an HSU or something down the road probably. Thanks again!
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Thanks Losservatore! Appreciate it.
post #44784 of 51480
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Originally Posted by Stol3n View Post

Does anyone know if the Veritas are being discontinued? Since the RC-LCR is so hard to come by and quite expensive I'm most likely going to order a Veritas 5.2-C for my center. I would love to have the black finish but I'm afraid of holding out in fear of the Veritas being discontinued, especially since the V-5.2-C is $199 right now in the Rosenut finish.

Can anyone confirm?

I think they're being discontinued also except for maybe the V mini speakers. It seems like Energy is being pushed towards sub/sat system like the V-mini and Take Classics and doing away with real bookshelf and tower speakers.

If you look on their website all the new stuff are soundbars, weak subwoofers and even multimedia speakers.

Pretty sad...frown.gif
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Originally Posted by Darrin_R View Post

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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Sure it won't hurt at all, but why playing white noise when you can enjoy some music smile.gif

But I respect your option.

Thank you sir. I took your advise and right now I am going old school with a little Dire Straits. biggrin.gif

Just to make things clear I was not playing white noise, I was playing pink noise. White noise doesn't have the -3db reduction per octave. That might push the tweeter somewhat. eek.gif

sorry I use the incorrect word smile.gif


Dire Straits : Sultans of Swing very good choice cool.gif

Try Jeff Beck ..
post #44786 of 51480
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Originally Posted by DAC21 View Post

Lack of availability answers your own question, I'd check with Vanns or WW Stereo for any returns of the black model. No go, get the Rosenut while you can.

Actually, the lack of availability could be from the rash of new RC-70 owners from the Fry's deal, especially since they were only offered in Black...but I get what you're saying. I only asked because most places say out of stock instead of discontinued.

Think I will go grab one right now, thanks.
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

I think they're being discontinued also except for maybe the V mini speakers. It seems like Energy is being pushed towards sub/sat system like the V-mini and Take Classics and doing away with real bookshelf and tower speakers.

If you look on their website all the new stuff are soundbars, weak subwoofers and even multimedia speakers.

Pretty sad...frown.gif


Sad indeed. Although, on the bright side we were lucky enough to grab the last remaining RC-70's for one heck of a steal.
post #44787 of 51480
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Originally Posted by Darrin_R View Post

I also liked the Audyssey but I don't need the bass management because I have a BFD.

Which Audyssey version did you try? XT? XT32?

I ask because I currently have an Advanced MCACC-equipped Pioneer AVR and also use a BFD for EQing the subs, but I'm considering an upgrade to an XT32-equipped receiver. All this talk about XT32 providing night-and-day differences are getting at me. And I wonder how well it would EQ the subs -- although I fear the lack of flexibility that the BFD offers (i.e. you can EQ to a non-flat curve for example).
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

sorry I use the incorrect word smile.gif


Dire Straits : Sultans of Swing very good choice cool.gif

Try Jeff Beck ..

Definitely.
post #44789 of 51480
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Originally Posted by Stol3n View Post

Actually, the lack of availability could be from the rash of new RC-70 owners from the Fry's deal, especially since they were only offered in Black...but I get what you're saying. I only asked because most places say out of stock instead of discontinued.

Think I will go grab one right now, thanks.
Sad indeed. Although, on the bright side we were lucky enough to grab the last remaining RC-70's for one heck of a steal.

When I was at Fry's Wednesday evening the sales guy said they got those RC-70's because of Vanns bankruptcy/re-org. So these speakers were originally targeted for Vanns but ended up going to Fry's to liquidate.

Vanns ran out of RC-LCR's and RC-10s before their financial problems came to light. So I've got a feeling this is the end of the road for the RC line.

unless of course some warehouse in China mysteriously discovers another large batch of RC speakers.
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post



Ok guys here is the pic of my base speaker cracked dented. I dont know how frys will give me a refund of this. They want to see the damaged first before they give me a refund. What do you think guys? Is it a bad enough damage?
ok guys, frys emailed me back and offer me $50 for the base damaged. and they said if that amount if accpetable from me. i didnt reply yet from the email. what do you think guys?
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