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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

What about the crossover components is there any changes in the crossover components with the electricity current and heat?
Not really. The properties of capacitors will change over time, but that time is measured in years and decades, not hours. Inductors remain stable forever, as do resistors unless you burn them out with excess power. Resistors can have some shift in value with temperature, but that shift is only temporary, they return to the normal value when they cool down.
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What I know for sure is that all this is a natural process there is no need for especial sounds unless like bill said( unless is done under testing conditions) that means at the factory.
Break in takes time, and time is money, so very few speakers are broken in at the factory. The user doesn't need to do anything special, just play them. I break in woofers before testing a design, as I need to know how it works after break in, not before. I do so overnight, with a 20 to 30Hz sine wave, before mounting the driver. You could do so with new speakers, if you want them to sound as good as they'll get from day one, but it's not that big a deal.
post #44882 of 51452
Caloyzki - I have 2 RC70's that I got 3 days ago. Sound keeps getting better and better I am totally happy with these running them in stereo right now. Really powerful speakers. The new center will be great for movies. I have a polk cs10 that I am replacing with the v5.2c.
post #44883 of 51452
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Originally Posted by SandyMan007 View Post

Going by the damages its clear that they are all because of missing styrofoam on the backside of speaker , all dents have been on the backside. My friend got his two speakers - one box beatup very bad and open but the speaker was ok with a dent on the backside. The other one came with double styrofoam in the box and was in immaculate condition.

Now let the putty work begin smile.gif anyone have experience in fixing these edge dents? Few tips on this would help many here.

A simple google search helped me with this -

http://www.ehow.com/how_7896650_repair-chip-corner-wooden-table.html

Personally, I would use drywall putty. The reason is, I don't think you want to sand the finish of the speaker. Drywall putty can be 'sanded' with a damp cloth. I would repair the cracks with the putty, with no excess. Don't worry about doing it all on the first attempt. So do first 'fill'. wait for it to dry. Lightly 'sand' with a damp facecloth. Repeat until a fine 'skim coat' is all you need. Then, either use the facecloth method or a very fine sand paper and try not to scratch up the undamaged finish. So the trick is to build up the repair slowly, instead of overdoing it with a bunch of putty in one attempt, and then trying to sand it all down to the right shape. That is personally what I would do. Don't rush it. not sure how I would try and 'finish' it. Probably a small paint brush with very fine brisltes, and feather away from the damage. Use very LITTLE paint, and feather it with almost a brush that had paint on it, that is almost dry. Not sure if you know what I mean. (for example, wet the brush with paint, then paint some scrap to remove the excess, leaving very little on the brush itself).
post #44884 of 51452
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

So far 5 days with energy veritas v mini and son far I like the sound ,I want to clear this I said that the tweeter at first sounded like Rc then after couple of days they open up and sounded like veritas towers, well today I decide it to plug the veritas towers and veritas mini and do a A-B test and what a surprise the veritas tower where more brighter than the minis ,I don't have a rc speaker anymore to test if they have the rc sound ,but I clearly remember the Rc sound, been owner of rc series for years and also owned Rc-minis to me the veritas mini are in between Rc and veritas not as brighter as the veritas tower but not as laid back as the Rc, they are in between both ,no wonder I like then so much.

In your opinion, does the veritas mini do a fine job filling a 2000 cubic ft room? I'm starting to think I may be better off with the minis and a dedicated subwoofer vs RC 70 with no sub. I think I can get the veritas set + a nice sub for roughly the same as a set of RC 70 + a center. Budget is a concern here. Thank you.
post #44885 of 51452
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I leave near best buy but I can't for now do to heath problems.


I delete the rest of the comment.

Sorry to hear about your problem. Hope you get well soon.
post #44886 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

What about the crossover components is there any changes in the crossover components with the electricity current and heat?
Not really. The properties of capacitors will change over time, but that time is measured in years and decades, not hours. Inductors remain stable forever, as do resistors unless you burn them out with excess power. Resistors can have some shift in value with temperature, but that shift is only temporary, they return to the normal value when they cool down.
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What I know for sure is that all this is a natural process there is no need for especial sounds unless like bill said( unless is done under testing conditions) that means at the factory.
Break in takes time, and time is money, so very few speakers are broken in at the factory. The user doesn't need to do anything special, just play them. I break in woofers before testing a design, as I need to know how it works after break in, not before. I do so overnight, with a 20 to 30Hz sine wave, before mounting the driver. You could do so with new speakers, if you want them to sound as good as they'll get from day one, but it's not that big a deal.

Thanks bill.
post #44887 of 51452
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Originally Posted by rojkai View Post

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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

So far 5 days with energy veritas v mini and son far I like the sound ,I want to clear this I said that the tweeter at first sounded like Rc then after couple of days they open up and sounded like veritas towers, well today I decide it to plug the veritas towers and veritas mini and do a A-B test and what a surprise the veritas tower where more brighter than the minis ,I don't have a rc speaker anymore to test if they have the rc sound ,but I clearly remember the Rc sound, been owner of rc series for years and also owned Rc-minis to me the veritas mini are in between Rc and veritas not as brighter as the veritas tower but not as laid back as the Rc, they are in between both ,no wonder I like then so much.

In your opinion, does the veritas mini do a fine job filling a 2000 cubic ft room? I'm starting to think I may be better off with the minis and a dedicated subwoofer vs RC 70 with no sub. I think I can get the veritas set + a nice sub for roughly the same as a set of RC 70 + a center. Budget is a concern here. Thank you.

How you going to find a rc-70 the sale already ended online and you will be lucky if you find a pair at Frys, I have a small living room only 15'x12'x9' and they fill the room very well I'm not sure how they will perform in a larger room.


There are other members that have this speakers in larger living room than mine I will have to ask then.


I will be moving in few months and hope I found a larger living room, the living room is the smallest place in this house.
Edited by losservatore - 2/22/13 at 10:53am
post #44888 of 51452
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

Yeah I havent heard anyone call them bright per say. But I wonder why they arent paired that often with Energy.
How did you like MCACC? Audyssey gets a lot of talk, but I assume MCACC is no slouch either?

I am one more, sound Pioneer (Elite VSX-60) bright.. .. even after tweaking tone (or called by some other name) setting that pioneer users said, i should tweak to reduce brightness.
post #44889 of 51452
anybody here wo bought 2 RC 70's and using V5.2 Center can share youre experience? how is it blend with two RC 70? i guess we dont have luck to get the RC LCR anymore. before i pull the TRIGGER of V5.2 center.
Edited by caloyzki - 2/22/13 at 10:59am
post #44890 of 51452
I too upgraded from 2x RC30s to 2x RC70s form Frys. Had only open boxes in store, so bought online. Boxes and speakers arrived in perfect condition, not a single dent or scratch. wife broke in speakers last week ,when i was away on work. listening from this morning.. huge upgrade from RC30s. specially for Music.. amazing sound.

for those who find RC70s a little warmer at very-high freqs.. fyi.. turning treble to +1 on my HK254 receiver improves that a lot.
post #44891 of 51452
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

How you going to find a rc-70 the sale already ended online and you will be lucky if you find a pair at Frys, I have a small living room only 15'x12'x9' and they fill the room very well I'm not sure how they will perform in a larger room.


There are other members that have this speakers in larger living room than mine I will have to ask then.


I will be moving in few months and hope I found a larger living room, the living room is the smallest place in this house.

I already picked up my pair last night from the (not so) local Fry's.
post #44892 of 51452
Hmmm, the RC-70's are back up to $599 at Fry's this morning. I thought they'd leave them a $299 until they were all gone.
post #44893 of 51452
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Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post

Hmmm, the RC-70's are back up to $599 at Fry's this morning. I thought they'd leave them a $299 until they were all gone.

It was part of their regular Fri-Thurs sale. If they have enough stock, I'm sure the sale will come back again.
Edited by rojkai - 2/22/13 at 11:17am
post #44894 of 51452
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

Personally, I would use drywall putty. The reason is, I don't think you want to sand the finish of the speaker. Drywall putty can be 'sanded' with a damp cloth. I would repair the cracks with the putty, with no excess. Don't worry about doing it all on the first attempt. So do first 'fill'. wait for it to dry. Lightly 'sand' with a damp facecloth. Repeat until a fine 'skim coat' is all you need. Then, either use the facecloth method or a very fine sand paper and try not to scratch up the undamaged finish. So the trick is to build up the repair slowly, instead of overdoing it with a bunch of putty in one attempt, and then trying to sand it all down to the right shape. That is personally what I would do. Don't rush it. not sure how I would try and 'finish' it. Probably a small paint brush with very fine brisltes, and feather away from the damage. Use very LITTLE paint, and feather it with almost a brush that had paint on it, that is almost dry. Not sure if you know what I mean. (for example, wet the brush with paint, then paint some scrap to remove the excess, leaving very little on the brush itself).

Thanks for the detailed explanation, I am leaving those dents as is for now and will have it patched up laters. Made a note of your process and saved it on my laptop for my future reference.

My breakin process has started with playing continous music and crossover set at 40. Am upgrading from RC10s , super excited to see how much of a jump I will get with these towers.
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For all you guys with damage, you could also bring it to a furniture repair shop and see how much they would charge to do it. Just a thought.

Also, great idea to use the joint compound so you can "sand" it with a wet cloth...you could also try to carve a little wood grain into it to match the rest. Make sure you use a good primer on the joint compound before using paint though. That is a key step to get it to look right.
post #44896 of 51452
Anyone know if the RC-70's are MDF or Wood speakers? Just wondering if a few years down the line if it would be a good idea to sand them down and do my own Rosenut Finish on them. Should be easy enough since they are rectangular. Would you guys advise against it?
post #44897 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Porthos01 View Post

Anyone know if the RC-70's are MDF or Wood speakers? Just wondering if a few years down the line if it would be a good idea to sand them down and do my own Rosenut Finish on them. Should be easy enough since they are rectangular. Would you guys advise against it?


Almost all speakers cabinet now days are made of MDF some speakers cabinet have better quality MDF than others.
post #44898 of 51452
MDF is the only option for wood veneer also MDF have other good properties in sound and it will perfectly seal the enclosure.
post #44899 of 51452
RC-70's back up to $599 each. In store only. Wonder how many total speakers are left?
http://www.frys.com/product/7386304

I suspect they'll have another sale for $299 each again to liquidate the rest of the in store stock.
post #44900 of 51452
Those of you with even mild anxiety caused by the out of the box experience with your new RC70s have nothing to worry about. Rest assured that once they're properly broken in, they'll sound awesome. I've owned lots of Energy C and RC series speakers, but the RC70s are special. If you research what reviewers were saying about these speakers when they were new and $3,000 a pair, you'll realize what a bargain you lucked into with this sale. biggrin.gif
post #44901 of 51452
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Originally Posted by automaton View Post

70s arrived yesterday, thought the boxes looked ok, but there is some damage to base on one of the speakers. Swapped out the 50s. Toe-in is at about 10 degrees, with the speakers 6 feet apart, thinking of increasing the angle a bit just to see what happens. Immediately noticed more bass on the 70s, but then I realized it's because I plugged the ports on the 50s.

Will break them in a little more today. Hooked the 50s up in my bedroom to a Lepai T-amp, which powered my BS-41 just fine, but for some reason it just seems like it will be underkill on the 50s.

what is meant by toeing-in? ensuring speakers face exactly towards listening position... ? or changing vertical angle as well?
post #44902 of 51452
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Originally Posted by rajdori View Post

what is meant by toeing-in? ensuring speakers face exactly towards listening position... ? or changing vertical angle as well?
you dont angle anything vertically with toe-in.
post #44903 of 51452
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

you dont angle anything vertically with toe-in.
You might, if the tweeter is aimed above or below head height without angling the cab.
post #44904 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

You might, if the tweeter is aimed above or below head height without angling the cab.
Thats nice to know. I always thought going by the name "toe-in" it was a horizontal angle only.
post #44905 of 51452
have mine delivered 15 minutes ago with perfect condition from outside. Should I open up checking inside? I know what they sound like since I owned one before. I am not setting up now.
post #44906 of 51452
Just got my v5.2c delivered in great shape rosenut (from vanns) and have had the rc70's for 3 days. I can already hear the inprovement in the center (from my polk c10 to this new center). Very smooth and good front 3 now. Excellent soundstage.. What a deal....on all 3 items. My son even said wow this sounds awesome. The center still needs to be broken in but it's already excellent and matches the rc70's well. Happy camper over here.
post #44907 of 51452
Did Vanns double box the V5.2C for you?? Usually they double box the bookshelf speakers. I know my RC-10s and RC Mini's came double boxed a few years ago. My RC LCR wasn't double boxed from woot but it is packed pretty well anyway.
post #44908 of 51452
Lots of talk about the rc-70's and rightfully so. I took a pair of my rc-70's off 2 channel duty and hooked up a pair of v6.2's on an old but
rebuilt 1970's Pioneer 9500II amplifier. Threw in some BTO for punchy bass line. Got to give some love out to the v6.2, sounds nice.
post #44909 of 51452
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Originally Posted by xftman View Post

have mine delivered 15 minutes ago with perfect condition from outside. Should I open up checking inside? I know what they sound like since I owned one before. I am not setting up now.

Yeah, you need to open them. The corners get damaged when the speakers shift inside the box from rough handling and don't always show any damage on the outside of the box.
post #44910 of 51452
I connected my RC-70s to my 10 year old HK AVR 325 last night. Forgot how heavy that receiver was, 40lbs! Almost got hernia trying to move it while holding my much newer and lighter Denon 1613 in the other arm.

That HK is listed at 50W x 7 all channels driven and 65W x 2. It has plenty of power for my RC-70's, especially in a bedroom setup.

Threw on some Brian Culbertson at pretty loud volumes and the receiver didn't break a sweat. I'm probably at around 45-50 hours on these speakers now, didn't use them a whole lot this week after the initial 24 hour break in last weekend.

Still a very happy camper!
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