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post #44911 of 51479
Not double boxed but lots of packing around it. More Styrofoam than the RC70's had that's for sure...Every corner was well protected on the v5.2c.
post #44912 of 51479
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Originally Posted by xftman View Post

have mine delivered 15 minutes ago with perfect condition from outside. Should I open up checking inside? I know what they sound like since I owned one before. I am not setting up now.

Are you asking us if you should open an undamaged box that contains a speaker you just bought?eek.gif
post #44913 of 51479
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Originally Posted by Fears4Ears View Post

Yeah, you need to open them. The corners get damaged when the speakers shift inside the box from rough handling and don't always show any damage on the outside of the box.
That, and plug them in to make sure they work. Things do happen in transit that you can't see.
post #44914 of 51479
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

I connected my RC-70s to my 10 year old HK AVR 325 last night. Forgot how heavy that receiver was, 40lbs! Almost got hernia trying to move it while holding my much newer and lighter Denon 1613 in the other arm.

That HK is listed at 50W x 7 all channels driven and 65W x 2. It has plenty of power for my RC-70's, especially in a bedroom setup.

Threw on some Brian Culbertson at pretty loud volumes and the receiver didn't break a sweat. I'm probably at around 45-50 hours on these speakers now, didn't use them a whole lot this week after the initial 24 hour break in last weekend.

Still a very happy camper!

Do you notice a different sound using yourHK compared to what you had the 70's hooked up to before?
post #44915 of 51479
The RC-70's originally retailed for $3k a set? Wow, I thought it was $2200 or something.

My V5.2C showed up yesterday from Vanns. Not double boxed, but everything was fine. Haven't had a chance to hook it up yet, but I did unpack it, and man, this Rosewood finish is gorgeous.
post #44916 of 51479
The HK sounds a little fuller/heavier to me. This old receiver doesn't have any room calibration like Audyssey MultEQ except for levels and distance so the speakers are set to large. Originally the receiver was set to small because it was previously connected to a subwoofer in the other room. You immediately notice an increase in bass when going from SMALL to LARGE,

I know the db levels on the volume control don't mean anything since they're different brands but -30 on the HK 325 is about equivalent to -15 on my Denon AVR 591. Both my Denon 591 and 989 were calibrated already to a RC bookshelf system and a Jamo tower system respectively and I haven't decided where these new speakers will end up yet so I haven't run Audyssey again.

I have a hunch they'll go with the Denon 989 in the living room because they seem cramped in my bedroom.

No matter what receiver I connect to them the RC-70's sound really good!

The HK is my floater receiver, I really don't have a purpose for it but I don't want to sell it either because i'm fond of the darn thing. No HDMI but does have 7.1, independent crossovers front, center,surround and surround back, DTS-ES, DD EX, Logic 7, PLIIx, etc. And since it is all analog video inputs you can watch something on one input and play another source on a different input which is still pretty cool.

Used to have my HD Directv receiver connected to it via component and then could switch to CD, tuner or whatever and still have the last video input showing on the TV. i know you cant do that with these newer HDMI receivers or at least not easily.
post #44917 of 51479
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Those of you with even mild anxiety caused by the out of the box experience with your new RC70s have nothing to worry about. Rest assured that once they're properly broken in, they'll sound awesome. I've owned lots of Energy C and RC series speakers, but the RC70s are special. If you research what reviewers were saying about these speakers when they were new and $3,000 a pair, you'll realize what a bargain you lucked into with this sale. biggrin.gif
+1 I was on the fence about speaker break in before I owned the RCs. Now I'm a firm believer.
post #44918 of 51479
I have a quick question for anybody here who has spent time with the RC-10 and the Energy V5.2 center. I was able to get a pair of the RC-70s from Frys to replace a pair of RC-10s. I was thinking of just moving one of the RC-10s to center duty, but then I saw the V5.2 center for 200 at Vanns. I was reading that its a pretty close match in tone. If you had the option, like I do, to use one or the other, which would you choose? Would you sell a pair of RC-10s to fund the Veritas center, or will that be more trouble than its worth? One downside is that the the center only comes in rosenut and the rest of my speakers are black, but that would also allow me to use the center appropriately, as opposed to laying a RC-10 on its side. Thanks for any help and thanks to everyone for the discussion on the RC-70s. I hadn't checked the Energy thread in quite a while, so I feel really lucky to have these in my living room.
post #44919 of 51479
Guys need a help - one of my friends RC70 was delivered to a wrong address by UPS and we are in a fix now. Initially called Frys on the missing speaker and they just mentioned it was delivered by looking at the tracking numbers so we gave up on them and called UPS directly who after one hour finally figured out that they had delivered it to a wrong address and then they said they will have a investigation opened and it may take about 10-15 business days without a confirmation on whats going to happen. And for updates on this I should contact the shipper and work with them, I call back to frys and lets just say it was one my worst customer service experience so far.

What are the options available to me now? Have any of you experienced anything similar ?

I was able to get the address where UPS delivered it to, I figure it would not be a good idea to contact them directly frown.gif I hope they haven't mishandled it unknowingly frown.gif and am dead sure even if we get the speakers back its going to be in a very bad shape given the condition of the speakers that were delivered to me and the additional trips this one is going to make.
post #44920 of 51479
Well consider me bummed. I realized too late, and it's my own fault, but my new Veritas 5.2C speaker will not fit in our media console. frown.gif

Although the width and height of it and my AC-300 center are nearly identical, which is what I referred to when I ordered it, what I neglected to remember was that I had to take off the end caps on the AC-300 to get it to fit in the center space of the console. So now this gorgeous speaker is just sitting on my kitchen table.

Sigh....
post #44921 of 51479
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Bi-amping from the receiver is useless. It was created specifically for people like you (not picking on you, just pointing out how marketing can capitalize on the uninformed) who think they are "wasting" their receiver by not using all the amp channels. It ONLY exists because 7ch receivers became the standard, but most people still ran 5ch setup, so they thought "what can I do with these 2 wasted, unused channels?" The important thing to understand is that the limiting factor in the receiver is the power supply, not the individual amplifier channels.
Totally agree with this post except for the bi amping part. The existence or concept of biamping has absolutely nothing to do with 7 ch receivers and has been around long before the ideas of surround sound. Bi amping can be beneficial but only if the speaker crossover is completely defeated. This makes it impractical for most home applications.

There is nothing to disagree with. Re-read what I wrote, it is obvious that I was only speaking about RECEIVER bi-amping.
post #44922 of 51479
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Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post

Well consider me bummed. I realized too late, and it's my own fault, but my new Veritas 5.2C speaker will not fit in our media console. frown.gif

Although the width and height of it and my AC-300 center are nearly identical, which is what I referred to when I ordered it, what I neglected to remember was that I had to take off the end caps on the AC-300 to get it to fit in the center space of the console. So now this gorgeous speaker is just sitting on my kitchen table.

Sigh....
Sell it to me. :P
post #44923 of 51479
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Originally Posted by SandyMan007 View Post

Guys need a help - one of my friends RC70 was delivered to a wrong address by UPS and we are in a fix now. Initially called Frys on the missing speaker and they just mentioned it was delivered by looking at the tracking numbers so we gave up on them and called UPS directly who after one hour finally figured out that they had delivered it to a wrong address and then they said they will have a investigation opened and it may take about 10-15 business days without a confirmation on whats going to happen. And for updates on this I should contact the shipper and work with them, I call back to frys and lets just say it was one my worst customer service experience so far.

What are the options available to me now? Have any of you experienced anything similar ?

I was able to get the address where UPS delivered it to, I figure it would not be a good idea to contact them directly frown.gif I hope they haven't mishandled it unknowingly frown.gif and am dead sure even if we get the speakers back its going to be in a very bad shape given the condition of the speakers that were delivered to me and the additional trips this one is going to make.
I would go knock on the door with a copy of the invoice and tell them UPS sent your item to their house. Most people are honest and if not call the cops or just wait and see what UPS does with the situation. Remember that you paid UPS for a service and they should stand up to their mistake.
post #44924 of 51479
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Almost all speakers cabinet now days are made of MDF some speakers cabinet have better quality MDF than others.
Generally the better quality ones are HDF (High Density Fiberboard vs Medium Density Fiberboard).
post #44925 of 51479
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Originally Posted by SandyMan007 View Post

Guys need a help - one of my friends RC70 was delivered to a wrong address by UPS and we are in a fix now. Initially called Frys on the missing speaker and they just mentioned it was delivered by looking at the tracking numbers so we gave up on them and called UPS directly who after one hour finally figured out that they had delivered it to a wrong address and then they said they will have a investigation opened and it may take about 10-15 business days without a confirmation on whats going to happen. And for updates on this I should contact the shipper and work with them, I call back to frys and lets just say it was one my worst customer service experience so far.

What are the options available to me now? Have any of you experienced anything similar ?

I was able to get the address where UPS delivered it to, I figure it would not be a good idea to contact them directly frown.gif I hope they haven't mishandled it unknowingly frown.gif and am dead sure even if we get the speakers back its going to be in a very bad shape given the condition of the speakers that were delivered to me and the additional trips this one is going to make.
I would go to the address and find out what they plan on doing with them. It may expedite the return process to take them home and take the wrong recipient out of the process. If you are lucky they may be in good shape and you can take them home and keep them.
post #44926 of 51479
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Originally Posted by Saints View Post

I would go knock on the door with a copy of the invoice and tell them UPS sent your item to their house. Most people are honest and if not call the cops or just wait and see what UPS does with the situation. Remember that you paid UPS for a service and they should stand up to their mistake.

this.

Even better call the cops first, explain the situation, and have them follow you there. This way they can oversee the situation from the get-go and things are less likely to take a turn for the worse. Good luck and keep us posted!
post #44927 of 51479
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

Almost all speakers cabinet now days are made of MDF some speakers cabinet have better quality MDF than others.
Generally the better quality ones are HDF (High Density Fiberboard vs Medium Density Fiberboard).

I remember the RCs advertising real wood finish. I think there is a layer if real wood veneer over the MDF cabinet. At least that's the case in the rosenut / cherry finishes, not sure about the black ash. Hmmmmm
post #44928 of 51479
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Originally Posted by Stol3n View Post

this.

Even better call the cops first, explain the situation, and have them follow you there. This way they can oversee the situation from the get-go and things are less likely to take a turn for the worse. Good luck and keep us posted!
The cops around here wouldnt bother. Youre right though if anything out of the ordinary happens its best just to leave. UPS will work it out eventually. They have already admitted the mistake.
post #44929 of 51479
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I remember the RCs advertising real wood finish. I think there is a layer if real wood veneer over the MDF cabinet. At least that's the case in the rosenut / cherry finishes, not sure about the black ash. Hmmmmm
Of course you can get furniture grade speakers. They are usually solid wood.
post #44930 of 51479
My RC-70's finally came today. At first I felt that something was missing despite the impressive details. After about 2 hrs of music I noticed that the speakers had started to put out better sound. Then all of sudden on Pandora "Lookout Weekend"by Debbie Deb came on and the bass made me jump and I must admit I was a bit terrified. I didn't believe Energy or you guys at first but I must agree that a break in really does make a difference. I now see why these retailed for over 2K biggrin.gif . What has improved most with the break in is the bass.

2hrs into the break in...wonder what they will sound like after the 100hr break in recommended by Energy.

EDIT: All I can say is WOW what a difference. These speakers just keep getting better. If anyone feels underwhelmed at first give them TIME.
Edited by Porthos01 - 2/22/13 at 7:28pm
post #44931 of 51479
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Originally Posted by robotclaws View Post

I have a quick question for anybody here who has spent time with the RC-10 and the Energy V5.2 center. I was able to get a pair of the RC-70s from Frys to replace a pair of RC-10s. I was thinking of just moving one of the RC-10s to center duty, but then I saw the V5.2 center for 200 at Vanns. I was reading that its a pretty close match in tone. If you had the option, like I do, to use one or the other, which would you choose? Would you sell a pair of RC-10s to fund the Veritas center, or will that be more trouble than its worth? One downside is that the the center only comes in rosenut and the rest of my speakers are black, but that would also allow me to use the center appropriately, as opposed to laying a RC-10 on its side. Thanks for any help and thanks to everyone for the discussion on the RC-70s. I hadn't checked the Energy thread in quite a while, so I feel really lucky to have these in my living room.

If I were you, I would stick with my RC-10s, and not bother selling them to get a V5.2.
I would first try to use an RC-10 as center and even experiment using two RC-10s as an MTTM center and see how that works out.
V5.2 has the advantage of being brighter than the RC center, which is a good thing when it comes to dialogue, but I would try using the RC-10s first before anything else.
post #44932 of 51479
Thanks for the advice. Do you have any advice for me about how to use the two rc-10s as a center? Is there anything I should be aware of before I try that? I have a Denon 1613. I'll do a little research on my own as well.
post #44933 of 51479
I know....it's such a huge difference. I keep it running on repeat overnight. I am close to 100 hours now. I noticed the high quality music and movies are so good now....what a bargain!
post #44934 of 51479
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Originally Posted by robotclaws View Post

Thanks for the advice. Do you have any advice for me about how to use the two rc-10s as a center? Is there anything I should be aware of before I try that? I have a Denon 1613. I'll do a little research on my own as well.
First thing to watch out for is how you are hooking up the two speakers to your center channel on the receiver end. You would want to do them serially, rather than feeding the same channel over twice to both the speakers.
Its unorthodox to be using two bookshelfs as a center, but hey its worth a shot when you have two rc-10s at disposal and the matching color too.
post #44935 of 51479
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

I know....it's such a huge difference. I keep it running on repeat overnight. I am close to 100 hours now. I noticed the high quality music and movies are so good now....what a bargain!
what is youre set up sir for the 3 fronts?
post #44936 of 51479
Is anyone in this thread willing to part ways with their RC-10's and doesn't mind shipping?
post #44937 of 51479
Edit: Next post has the link to the RW-12D deal.
Edited by enthusiast8 - 2/23/13 at 9:19am
post #44938 of 51479
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Originally Posted by robotclaws View Post

I have a quick question for anybody here who has spent time with the RC-10 and the Energy V5.2 center. I was able to get a pair of the RC-70s from Frys to replace a pair of RC-10s. I was thinking of just moving one of the RC-10s to center duty, but then I saw the V5.2 center for 200 at Vanns. I was reading that its a pretty close match in tone. If you had the option, like I do, to use one or the other, which would you choose? Would you sell a pair of RC-10s to fund the Veritas center, or will that be more trouble than its worth? One downside is that the the center only comes in rosenut and the rest of my speakers are black, but that would also allow me to use the center appropriately, as opposed to laying a RC-10 on its side. Thanks for any help and thanks to everyone for the discussion on the RC-70s. I hadn't checked the Energy thread in quite a while, so I feel really lucky to have these in my living room.


The veritas don't sound the same or as close ,getting a veritas center will totally mess the front staging sound, I recommend you to keep the Rc-10 and use one as a center channel.


That's why I haven't recommend the veritas center with Rc-70 ,mismatch is not even recommended by professionals. same timbre match in front stage is a must.other wise you will always get distracted and will notice the difference when the sound is panning from left center and right channels.


If you think you can leave with that then is okay I personally always use the same timbre match in front stage.
Edited by losservatore - 2/22/13 at 10:17pm
post #44939 of 51479
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Originally Posted by ah_1014 View Post

Is anyone in this thread willing to part ways with their RC-10's and doesn't mind shipping?

there's a mint pair on ebay right now that ends in about 30 minutes. You should grab them.
post #44940 of 51479
Hey afrogt, was good meeting you in the store, thanks for sharing the knowledge! One thing that cannot be emphasized enough is the break-in time for these - when I listened in the sound room they sounded much warmer than the Infiniti and Klipsch, but I listened to a whole cd on the RC-70s and they just sounded muddy and not sharp clarity-wise (I kept moving to different spots and angles, and almost could not believe the lack of clarity - to the point I almost walked away.) FYI I was told all of the other Fry's in the area were out of stock as well.

The muddiness also told that the set had been used very little and had not been used much at all, and being out of box I got to throughly inspect them to see they were in mint shape (and not have to deal with shipping ding & dent issues so many have been talking about). Based on the reading I had done on SlickDeals and here, made the call to go for it and trust the reviews that they would improve with break-in.

Threw in the 5% off for the demos, grabbed a NIB 1612 the next day for $100 to power them for now (thanks BB!), and like others have said they are breaking in (using mostly IR trance station) and getting better.... And better... Spouse was impressed even!

Two thoughts - I can see a lot of average customers walking away from these after a demo if the store didn't take the time to break them in properly, especially at their original price. Second, wanted to thank all those on here who also post on SD, good info to start there and even more on here.
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