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post #45961 of 51472
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

As someone who has owned and sold these speakers, and watches the used market, I think you will have trouble getting more than $150 total for the set. Although I agree they are excellent budget speakers, you have the quadruple whammy of them being old, ugly, unknown and entry-level when new. And in this economy the used market for speakers is weak in general, people are looking for bargains. I would post them at $200 OBO and see what happens.

Thanks much for the reply. I was thinking somewhere around 200 obo as well. Btw, the 16's are Rosewood and loo rather smart and the rest is the black ash finish. Again thanks for the input. Whomever decides to get them will get better sound than the Take 5 and similar for a better price... at least I can feel good about that.
post #45962 of 51472
It was such an easy choice with the Energy S10.3 subs at newegg were 159 or 179. cant remember. I never even understood how they made a dime with shipping involved in that equation.

The s10.3 even though it has a 10 " driver had an enormous cabinet, and was a very musical sub to boot. I thnik there was a clone/sister sub by mirage too. Those could be nice choices if found on craigslist, but Im not a sub guru by any means. The however

sound amazing to me. Last sub I owned before that was a Velodyne CT-120 purchased through accomodations while employed at circuit city. It still works great to this day and is paired with a take classic system on man cave duty.

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post #45963 of 51472
Hi Folks, I found someone selling an RC-LCR BNIB, in Ottawa Canada while searching for my own (and now found, RC-LCR) I know lots of ppl on this thread are looking for one. So if you like PM me and I'll pass you his contact info.
post #45964 of 51472
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Originally Posted by spincycle79 View Post

Hi Folks, I found someone selling an RC-LCR BNIB, in Ottawa Canada while searching for my own (and now found, RC-LCR) I know lots of ppl on this thread are looking for one. So if you like PM me and I'll pass you his contact info.

how much they are selling?
post #45965 of 51472
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

how much they are selling?

He's selling new for $450 and one used for $400, both in black. prices are Canadian..
post #45966 of 51472
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Originally Posted by spincycle79 View Post

He's selling new for $450 and one used for $400, both in black. prices are Canadian..

Gracias, but still, mucho dinero.
post #45967 of 51472
kinda high,

seen a few recently for around 330-370. but if its new and you need it sounds good.

Meijer was the best at 179.00 each. I almost bought like 8 of them, but slapped by trigger finger!!!
post #45968 of 51472
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kinda high

kinda ironic! tongue.gifrolleyes.gif
post #45969 of 51472
^^^^^biggrin.gif
post #45970 of 51472
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

kinda ironic! tongue.gifrolleyes.gif

the difference is that they will likely sell theirs, and I will not with my experiment.

also rolling eyes.

stranger things have happened. though.

I sure the hell didn't expect to sell vintage commodore computers this weekend for $650.00 that were collecting dust in my attic.

Something for everyone on ebay i suppose.
post #45971 of 51472
My surrounds are 2 feet above or so and 2 feet behind the listening area angled slightly down and forward. Facing the tv - 6 ft from the sweet spot on the left and 8 ft on the right. I don't have a denon, but a sony receiver and the mic config thing hasn't worked out too great. I had to manually reconfigure. My front soundstage is now great.

I have the surrounds at 100Hz crossover per batpigs suggestion. Also upped the db a couple on the surrounds. I found a wave file to test it the surrounds and it seems pretty good (helicopter circling), but still don't have that engulfed sound in regular movies (using the lossless tracks - BD).

Onto my question....

Bipole vs. monopole for surrounds.....Currently using the minis, but can't seem to get the sound behind in movies. I know there isn't much content there usually but just wondering who uses the bipoles for surrounds or if anyone did an A/B comparison with mono/vs bipoles.

I am sure there will be varying opinions (and I have read many) but looking for someone who has experience using both, especially with RC70's as fronts. I researched and understand the way they all work - dipole (really dispersed) vs bipole (somewhat dispersed) vs monopole (more direct) etc...

My room is about 14x25x8 but have the watching/listening seating area restricted to roughly 14x10.

I am also waiting for Caloyzki's opinion but that won't be for another week or so when he gets his carnival 3's.

Thanks!

Side Note - After about 4 weeks, I just got my refund of $50 from Fry's on the minor damage to my one RC70. It did take a call about a week ago to get them to move a little on it.
post #45972 of 51472
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Originally Posted by nc88keyz View Post

I sure the hell didn't expect to sell vintage commodore computers this weekend for $650.00 that were collecting dust in my attic.

That doesn't really surprise me. Vintage/antique computers are a rare collector's item with a very specific niche market.
post #45973 of 51472
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I am thinking the SVS SB-1000 is sounding like a nice fit. Very compact but very powerful, tight and clean with extension up to 200hz to
mate well with speakers that require a higher crossover.

Rsmith did you check in on that HSU sub in craigslist? And how compact is "compact" in your mind?

Is there a big difference between a sealed and ported unit? I was also looking at the SVS PB1000. My limiting factor is probably the width if the sub. I am not sure the best placement but if I have to place it up front I dont have much room next to the fireplace. I did email the guy on the HSU sub but never heard back.
post #45974 of 51472
eah9,


sell me your KRK 10s sub for $130 and upgrade to a real sub for home theater. I need that one for my Kronos and Rockit 8s!!
post #45975 of 51472
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

My surrounds are 2 feet above or so and 2 feet behind the listening area angled slightly down and forward. Facing the tv - 6 ft from the sweet spot on the left and 8 ft on the right. I don't have a denon, but a sony receiver and the mic config thing hasn't worked out too great. I had to manually reconfigure. My front soundstage is now great.

I have the surrounds at 100Hz crossover per batpigs suggestion. Also upped the db a couple on the surrounds. I found a wave file to test it the surrounds and it seems pretty good (helicopter circling), but still don't have that engulfed sound in regular movies (using the lossless tracks - BD).

Onto my question....

Bipole vs. monopole for surrounds.....Currently using the minis, but can't seem to get the sound behind in movies. I know there isn't much content there usually but just wondering who uses the bipoles for surrounds or if anyone did an A/B comparison with mono/vs bipoles.

I am sure there will be varying opinions (and I have read many) but looking for someone who has experience using both, especially with RC70's as fronts. I researched and understand the way they all work - dipole (really dispersed) vs bipole (somewhat dispersed) vs monopole (more direct) etc...

My room is about 14x25x8 but have the watching/listening seating area restricted to roughly 14x10.

I am also waiting for Caloyzki's opinion but that won't be for another week or so when he gets his carnival 3's.

Thanks!

Side Note - After about 4 weeks, I just got my refund of $50 from Fry's on the minor damage to my one RC70. It did take a call about a week ago to get them to move a little on it.

Where in PA are you located?
post #45976 of 51472
$130? $1800 lol

I want to keep it - I have the rokit 6's. I will move it back to my studio when I get the SVS PB-1000.
post #45977 of 51472
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Originally Posted by kgallerie View Post

Where in PA are you located?

Between Lancaster and Reading (an hour west of Philly)
post #45978 of 51472
$1800??

Its 399 retail. 150-200 depending on area of country at guitar center for open box units, and usually on ebay,

I thought I would take a shot . Cant blame me for tryin'
post #45979 of 51472
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Originally Posted by nc88keyz View Post

eah9,


sell me your KRK 10s sub for $130 and upgrade to a real sub for home theater. I need that one for my Kronos and Rockit 8s!!

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Originally Posted by nc88keyz View Post

$1800??

Its 399 retail. 200 at guitar center for open box units, and usually on ebay,

I thought I would take a shot . Cant blame me for tryin'

I was just messing with you. Sorry.

It is a good sub for music - even on my HT not bad either. tight accurate sound.
post #45980 of 51472
indeed it is. very musical. Every now and then i haul my velodyne across the room to plug in for some down low time. Its very rich sounding.

Cheers, to another KRK fan!
post #45981 of 51472
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Originally Posted by Rsmith115 View Post

Is there a big difference between a sealed and ported unit? I was also looking at the SVS PB1000. My limiting factor is probably the width if the sub. I am not sure the best placement but if I have to place it up front I dont have much room next to the fireplace. I did email the guy on the HSU sub but never heard back.

I suggested the sealed sub for two reasons: first, it's signficantly smaller than the ported version, and you mentioned compact size being an issue; second, sealed subs are typically "tighter" with flatter response and thus might blend better with smaller satellites, where a higher crossover is required.

You can do some googling on "sealed vs ported subwoofers" if you want to read more, but the general consensus is that the sealed sub will be more accurate but not be capable of the same output and low end extension as a ported sub (note that there is a huge amount of variation though depending on the specific design, so take this as a VERY generalized distinction). Basically, a port acts as a "turbo booster" in a way to enhance the bass capabilities of the given enclosure/woofer size. The port is tuned to a frequency a little below where the otherwise sealed enclosure would naturally start rolling off, giving it a some extra reinforcement at the bottom end and allowing it to pack more punch, but at the expense of some tightness/accuracy.

In a perfect world you'd probably just have monstrous sealed subs, but that would be very expensive. Porting the sub allows the manufacturer to increase the performance envelope (low end extension and overall output) without raising the cost.

You might want to call up SVS and ask them what they think. They are well known for their extremely helpful customer service.
post #45982 of 51472
I think the "sealed=tighter, ported=boomier" generalization is incorrect although batpig is certainly right about the fact that this is what comes out of most of those debates.

One reason for this is that ported subwoofers, under their tuning frequency (the frequency at which the port gives a positive reinforcement), "unloads". This means that under the tuning frequency, the driver does not feel any back-pressure from the enclosure due to the presence of the port. This induces tons of control issue that may lead to increased distortion and phase anomalies in the time response, but again, only for frequencies below tuning. When tuning is, say, around 40 Hz, such as in a HTiB sub, it's bad because there are notes and effects that will sound mangled under the tuning point. Also, a high-pass filter is necessary to protect the driver of ported subs in order to limit its excursion, especially below the tuning. But with home theater-geared subs such as the SVS units, tuning is typically 20 Hz, and output decreases really fast below that. It's doubtful you could perceive distortion or phase issue in a 18-Hz rumble.

So what is the advantage of a sealed sub over a ported sub if the ported sub sounds as fine as a sealed sub? Batpig said it: it's generally much more compact. Also, the low-frequency roll-off is much less steep in a sealed sub than in a ported sub. This means that if you count on room gain to amplify very low frequencies, you may be better with a sealed sub. If your goal is to get down to, say, 18 Hz, a ported sub will get you there. But 10 Hz is out of reach -- it's not physically possible to match a typical driver and the port volume to have a 10 Hz resonance. To get to 10 Hz, you build a giant *sealed* sub with a gentle roll-off that is amplified by room gain enough to reach interesting levels at 10 Hz.

In a typical home theater, if the option is to use a ported sub tuned around 20 Hz, then the sole consideration should be size and aesthetics vs output and extension.
post #45983 of 51472
Whats a fair price for a ESWC-10 sub with free shipping to the lower 48 states? I have the original box/packaging and its only been used for 5 or 6 movies.
I have really no need for it so I wouldnt mind selling it.

Thanks
post #45984 of 51472
Looking at eBay completed listings I'm seeing:

$175 + 50 shipping = $250 total
$228.50 free shipping = $228.50 total
$226.50 + $27.50 shipping = $254 total

So that gives you a ballpark.
post #45985 of 51472
Lets me use my magic ebay wheel,


oh wait you actually want to sell it :P
post #45986 of 51472
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Looking at eBay completed listings I'm seeing:

$175 + 50 shipping = $250 total
$228.50 free shipping = $228.50 total
$226.50 + $27.50 shipping = $254 total

So that gives you a ballpark.

Thanks batpig. So my 220.00 free shipping is right in the ball park.
post #45987 of 51472
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Originally Posted by nc88keyz View Post

Lets me use my magic ebay wheel,


oh wait you actually want to sell it :P

So how is your ebay auction going so far? eek.gif
post #45988 of 51472
linked for the lazy: http://goo.gl/1i7rD
post #45989 of 51472
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post


now the link with the picture biggrin.gif
That's a crazy price compared to the Vanns price for the Veritas surrounds when they were in stock.

The $1150 price is almost as much as the VSB from Futureshop.ca.

http://www.futureshop.ca/Search/SearchResults.aspx?path=ca77b9b4beca91fe414314b86bb581f8en20&q=vsb&sp=FS_en-CA_Site-WideSP&Category=EntireSite&pcname=MCCPCatalog&AllowSecure=True
post #45990 of 51472
future shop only has one,

I have a pair lol
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