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post #45991 of 51524
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Originally Posted by nc88keyz View Post

future shop only has one,

I have a pair lol

Oh man, that one speaker is going to be tough to sell. I didn't notice the quantity.
post #45992 of 51524
If somebody in Toronto wants a set of RCR's, I have a set under my desk gathering dust which I could part ways with for a low low price of $1049 LOL.
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I have a pair of RC-R's I will ship to anywhere in Canada free shipping included for 750.00 hows that for a deal.
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Sorry rastaman I couldnt resist
post #45995 of 51524
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I suggested the sealed sub for two reasons: first, it's signficantly smaller than the ported version, and you mentioned compact size being an issue; second, sealed subs are typically "tighter" with flatter response and thus might blend better with smaller satellites, where a higher crossover is required.

You can do some googling on "sealed vs ported subwoofers" if you want to read more, but the general consensus is that the sealed sub will be more accurate but not be capable of the same output and low end extension as a ported sub (note that there is a huge amount of variation though depending on the specific design, so take this as a VERY generalized distinction). Basically, a port acts as a "turbo booster" in a way to enhance the bass capabilities of the given enclosure/woofer size. The port is tuned to a frequency a little below where the otherwise sealed enclosure would naturally start rolling off, giving it a some extra reinforcement at the bottom end and allowing it to pack more punch, but at the expense of some tightness/accuracy.

In a perfect world you'd probably just have monstrous sealed subs, but that would be very expensive. Porting the sub allows the manufacturer to increase the performance envelope (low end extension and overall output) without raising the cost.

You might want to call up SVS and ask them what they think. They are well known for their extremely helpful customer service.

I sent a message to SVS and there were quite helpful. They recommend the PB1000 due to the size is my room. From what I read so far the PB1000 gets great reviews. Is there anything else that I should consider in the $500-600 before ordering the PB1000?
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I sold today my receiver in excellent condition with everything ,manual ,calibration mic ,antenna ,original box for $180 ,the guys was super happy with the purchase we had a 1 hour talk I mention him about batpig,he knows about batpig website, I'm wondering how many people know batpig website? lol.batpig I think you should have a web hit counter displayed on your site.


The guy drive for 1 hour and 30 minutes to get the receiver.
post #45997 of 51524
I also have one VS Surround .

Its going up in a few minutes for$ 850.00 USD

Please take note: This is not a pair, but one VS Surround.

The other one can be found at Future Shop if you hurry.

I think someone above linked to it directly.
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post #45999 of 51524
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

I have a pair of RC-R's I will ship to anywhere in Canada free shipping included for 750.00 hows that for a deal.
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Sorry rastaman I couldnt resist

What a deal! Until it hits the border and then we bend over and take it deep and hard.

Seriously, these are phenominal speakers but not $1150 good used. If it came down to that, i'd get RC70's and use those as surrounds.

On a more serious note, how much do these things go for realistically?
post #46000 of 51524
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I suggested the sealed sub for two reasons: first, it's signficantly smaller than the ported version, and you mentioned compact size being an issue; second, sealed subs are typically "tighter" with flatter response and thus might blend better with smaller satellites, where a higher crossover is required.

You can do some googling on "sealed vs ported subwoofers" if you want to read more, but the general consensus is that the sealed sub will be more accurate but not be capable of the same output and low end extension as a ported sub (note that there is a huge amount of variation though depending on the specific design, so take this as a VERY generalized distinction). Basically, a port acts as a "turbo booster" in a way to enhance the bass capabilities of the given enclosure/woofer size. The port is tuned to a frequency a little below where the otherwise sealed enclosure would naturally start rolling off, giving it a some extra reinforcement at the bottom end and allowing it to pack more punch, but at the expense of some tightness/accuracy.

In a perfect world you'd probably just have monstrous sealed subs, but that would be very expensive. Porting the sub allows the manufacturer to increase the performance envelope (low end extension and overall output) without raising the cost.

You might want to call up SVS and ask them what they think. They are well known for their extremely helpful customer service.

I talked to SVS and they recommend the PB1000 since my room is large. Is there anything else that I should look at in the $500-600 range before ordering the PB1000?
post #46001 of 51524
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I sold today my receiver in excellent condition with everything ,manual ,calibration mic ,antenna ,original box for $180 ,the guys was super happy with the purchase we had a 1 hour talk I mention him about batpig,he knows about batpig website, I'm wondering how many people know batpig website? lol.batpig I think you should have a web hit counter displayed on your site.


The guy drive for 1 hour and 30 minutes to get the receiver.

Back when I first got my parents AVR-590, I used Batpigs setup guide before I found this site.

Used it subsequently to set up an AVR-890 then again to setup an AVR-990.

I'm blessed with rampant laziness too so rather than learning a new system, it was easier to just plop in another Denon and Google Batpig each time. Denon should give batpig a commission IMHO because it led to two subsequent receiver purchases by me.
post #46002 of 51524
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

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But with home theater-geared subs such as the SVS units, tuning is typically 20 Hz, and output decreases really fast below that.
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Also, the low-frequency roll-off is much less steep in a sealed sub than in a ported sub.
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In a typical home theater, if the option is to use a ported sub tuned around 20 Hz, then the sole consideration should be size and aesthetics vs output and extension.
Question.
So if the low frequency roll off is really fast in a ported sub, why ever get a ported sub, when a sealed sub can also go down to the same frequency with accuracy and have a gradual roll off?

If theres a sealed sub and ported sub both going down to 20 hz, shouldnt the obvious choice be a sealed sub, irrespective of the aesthetics?

I guess my point is size and aesthetics are not the only considerations, in getting a sealed sub. Accuracy and gradual roll off is a consideration too.
post #46003 of 51524
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Originally Posted by Phrehdd View Post

Need a fair and honest answer please -

I am about to sell a 5.0 Energy bookshelf -surround system on Craigslist.

2 - e:XL 16's (50-20khrz @ +- 3db, 91 sensitivity)
2 - e:XL 15's (60-20khrz " ", 90 sensitivity)
1 - e:XL cntr (60-20khrz " ", 89 sensitivity)
all rated typical 8 ohm and good off axis, stage is acceptable.

They are immaculate and still sound excellent (I think at times better than the newer CB line of bookshelves and certainly better than the Take 5 series).
What do you think would be a fair price given they are immaculate and hourwise (given their age) had minimal play at low to medium volumes.
They were airtight stored for a long while and I brought them out and put about 250 hrs of play to re-break in.

Thanks in advance.

Btw, I have had many speakers over the years and built some back when it was en vogue but this set was the first ones that excited me with respect to sound and cost. Energy was that "cool" Canadian company back then. If anyone else has had these speakers, they know why in a way I hate to part with them.
I hear ya!

I got the e:XL-16s and e:XL-C as an insurance replacement back when I was 15ish when my parents house was broken into and my mini stereo stolen. I bought a pair of e:XL-26s later and then added a paradigm sub. Pretty kickin setup for a teenagers bedroom, but never really got to use them to their full potential because of my small room and decibel hating family. They sat in their boxes collecting dust for about the last 6 years until I finally bought my own place. I hooked everything up and was finally able to fully enjoy them for about 3 months before discovering the deals on the RC series.

"It won't hurt to go in and have a listen" I told myself.

A pair of RC-70s, RC-10s, RC-Rs, RCLCR later and a Funk Audio 15.0 "just to compliment" and my original system is back in their boxes. In a way, I regret even giving the RC series an audition. They are a much better speaker and I got a very good price, but I was totally content with my e:XL speakers. For the few hundred that they are only (apparently) worth, I'd rather keep them for a gift, future use, or trade bait.
post #46004 of 51524
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Originally Posted by RastaManMax View Post


What a deal! Until it hits the border and then we bend over and take it deep and hard.

Seriously, these are phenominal speakers but not $1150 good used. If it came down to that, i'd get RC70's and use those as surrounds.

On a more serious note, how much do these things go for realistically?

500.00 is the top price for rc-r's but they can be had for cheaper if you keep an eye out for them. Average price would be 400.00
post #46005 of 51524
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

Question.
So if the low frequency roll off is really fast in a ported sub, why ever get a ported sub, when a sealed sub can also go down to the same frequency with accuracy and have a gradual roll off?

I think I did not express myself correctly. While it is true that you could find a ported sub and a sealed sub, say, with the same 20 Hz output, they wont' be in the same league in terms of components. The sealed sub will have to have a beefier driver and amp to achieve the same low frequency performance. Conversely, if a ported and a sealed sub share the same driver and amps, the ported sub will have a much bigger output at 20 Hz (assuming it is tuned to 20 Hz of course, which is standard in ID home theater subs).

Note that the difference in output becomes less important the further you get from the tuning frequency. For example, the ported and sealed subs sharing the same components will probably have a similar output at 40 Hz and above.

Of course, if we're not talking about maximum output, it's possible to EQ a sub anywhere inside its maximum output profile. Subs like the SVS SB12-NSD, which is sealed and exhibit a flat frequency response down to 24 Hz, are in fact internally EQed to achieve that. At maximum output, the SB12-NSD begins its gentle roll-of at 40-45 Hz.

In fact, the SB12-NSD and PB12-NSD are good examples of a sealed an ported sub with the same driver and amp. You can compare their maximum output at data-bass.com here (just add the SVS SB12-NSD in the drop-down menu on top of the charts). The PB12-NSD's peak output is flat to much lower frequencies, but then falls off faster. However, since the PB12-NSD had a much higher 20 Hz output than the SB12-NSD to begin with, it has the advantage at all frequencies even if it rolls off faster.

By the way, this is in now way ditching the SB12-NSD. It's an *awesome* sub, especially for music, and its performances are *amazing* for the size of the thing (perfect cube 14" on a side).
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If theres a sealed sub and ported sub both going down to 20 hz, shouldnt the obvious choice be a sealed sub, irrespective of the aesthetics?

Not if you consider the size and price of the sealed sub having the same performance at 20 Hz as the ported sub. The bass reflex technique is really good to get output low. What I meant is that the technique has physical limitations. It's easy to make subs with 20 Hz tuning. I run my PC12-Pluses at 16 Hz tuning, but then I'm already sacrificing output to do that vs tuning at 20 Hz: the lower the tuning, the more the ported sub acts as a sealed sub (I think you can picture a sealed sub as a ported sub tuned at 0 Hz biggrin.gif). So if you want to hit above 100 dB at 10 Hz for example, going with a sealed sub becomes more interesting due to the gentle roll-off. But if you're not playing in that octave, a ported sub is more efficient, if you can afford the size of it.
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I guess my point is size and aesthetics are not the only considerations, in getting a sealed sub. Accuracy and gradual roll off is a consideration too.

My point was that accuracy problems of ported subs are probably a myth as they will mostly show up below tuning. Gradual roll-off is indeed something to consider, along with room gain, cabinet size and price. For example, I had lots of success having room gain boost the gentle roll-off of my SB12 in a small room. So for such a small sub, the result was amazing, and it did cost me less than the PB12 and was much easier to position in the room. I was able to hit 17 Hz (-3 dB from max output) by carefully EQing it (of course at moderate volumes). Now in my setup with subs tuned to 16 Hz, my actual peak output is now 17 Hz, so it's not the same game at all.

Again, not ditching sealed subs. I'd totally love to try some of the great sealed subs out there, but having made the switch to ported sub, I honestly can't say they're less accurate. IMHO the amp and driver will have a much bigger impact on accuracy than cabinet alignment.
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You have to first find someone who wants to sell them at that average price. I have no reason to sell them, I'm not anxious or aggressively trying to sell them. If someone wants them, there they are but if not I'm ok with that too.

They definitely do not come up very often. Right now they come up in the first page on Google paid advertising. At this price though, be prepared to see them for a while on ebay.
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Has anyone here been able to hear the RC-50 head to head with the Infinity P363 towers? I already own a pair of P363, but have not had time in the last year to open and listen to them. I found a deal for a mint set of RC-50s with the box and all packing for $370 (for the PAIR). I know that is a killer deal. I have the RC-10s in Rosenut and love them.
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Thanks neutro, for the detailed response. I get your point that distortion if any, happens below the tuning frequency in a ported sub. The comparison graphs on data-bass were also interesting in the 'maximum long term output' graph, where the sealed sub started its gradual roll off at 55hz, but the ported started to roll off only at 25hz. But the 'basic response' graph looks pretty healthy for the sealed sub even though its just a couple of dBs quieter. I guess thats where room gain helps.
post #46009 of 51524
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Originally Posted by deepstang View Post

Has anyone here been able to hear the RC-50 head to head with the Infinity P363 towers? I already own a pair of P363, but have not had time in the last year to open and listen to them. I found a deal for a mint set of RC-50s with the box and all packing for $370 (for the PAIR). I know that is a killer deal. I have the RC-10s in Rosenut and love them.

I would say thats a nice find on the rc-50's
post #46010 of 51524
I found a number of pairs of rc-r's in the past 10 months all for no more than 450.00. I bought 2 pairs of them well under the 450.00 mark.
post #46011 of 51524
Nc88keyz buddy take it easy ,the reality is that they won't get sold for that price you know that already. I had see energy speakers for almost a year listed on ebay without been purchase. I think that you already receive messages on ebay about their manufacture price and that your price is over their value. We just think that the price is very funny ,that's why the jokes about the listing.
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It's all good, I enjoy the conversation. Be good!
post #46014 of 51524
I had one of the last pairs of VS Surrounds that Vanns sold. I thought about just hanging on to them in the box for resale, but the same month I had purchased 2 pair RC-R and an Emotiva UPA-7. I sent them back sealed, and Vann's kindly sent me a shipping label for them to return free.



Again, as mentioned before what I really kick myself about it not hording LC-RCR's from Miejer. I had no idea how many they sold but I remember it made slickdeals at 179.00 Stupid Silly price for those.

Imagine if you have abut 8 of those right now. Easy money to be made.
post #46015 of 51524
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Originally Posted by deepstang View Post

Has anyone here been able to hear the RC-50 head to head with the Infinity P363 towers? I already own a pair of P363, but have not had time in the last year to open and listen to them. I found a deal for a mint set of RC-50s with the box and all packing for $370 (for the PAIR). I know that is a killer deal. I have the RC-10s in Rosenut and love them.

I haven't heard them head to head but the Infinity Primus are very well respected as "budget" speakers go. They are a little brighter and more sensitive than the RC's, whereas the RC's will probably have a more refined and smooth sound. But remember that at full retail a pair of those P363's cost less than a single RC-50. The Primus is more comparable to the C series in that sense.

Also, if it matters to you, the build quality of the RC's is just MILES ahead of the Primus. The Primus don't sound like it but they sure LOOK like entry level speakers. Everything on the RC's feels higher end, from the quality of the cabinets and veneer, the kevlar drivers, the magnetic grill attachments, the brushed aluminum driver baskets... but you probably already know this having the RC-10's already. If I were you, and I could afford it, I'd jump on the RC-50's at that price and sell the Primus.
post #46016 of 51524
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I haven't heard them head to head but the Infinity Primus are very well respected as "budget" speakers go. They are a little brighter and more sensitive than the RC's, whereas the RC's will probably have a more refined and smooth sound. But remember that at full retail a pair of those P363's cost less than a single RC-50. The Primus is more comparable to the C series in that sense.

Also, if it matters to you, the build quality of the RC's is just MILES ahead of the Primus. The Primus don't sound like it but they sure LOOK like entry level speakers. Everything on the RC's feels higher end, from the quality of the cabinets and veneer, the kevlar drivers, the magnetic grill attachments, the brushed aluminum driver baskets... but you probably already know this having the RC-10's already. If I were you, and I could afford it, I'd jump on the RC-50's at that price and sell the Primus.
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Amen. I was thinking of jumping on those before my wife reminded me I had other financial obligations smile.gif We got ours for just over $500 for the pair shipped and I'd do it again in a heartbeat for that price. Everybody that I have had over to play video games, watch movies or listen to music has loved them.
post #46017 of 51524
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

Thanks neutro, for the detailed response. I get your point that distortion if any, happens below the tuning frequency in a ported sub. The comparison graphs on data-bass were also interesting in the 'maximum long term output' graph, where the sealed sub started its gradual roll off at 55hz, but the ported started to roll off only at 25hz. But the 'basic response' graph looks pretty healthy for the sealed sub even though its just a couple of dBs quieter. I guess thats where room gain helps.

The fact that the SB12's Basic response graph is flat down to 24 Hz is due to internal EQ performed by the sub's DSP. When the volume is raised and lack of headroom wreck this EQ, then the SB12's response becomes compressed in the lower part of the graph and it finally adopts is long term maximum output response.
Edited by neutro - 3/20/13 at 4:22am
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

The fact that the SB12's Basic response graph is flat down to 24 Hz is due to internal EQ performed by the sub's DSP. When the volume is raised and lack of headroom wreck this EQ, then the SB12's response becomes compressed in the lower part of the graph and it finally adopts is long term maximum output response.
So, would a ported sub act just like a sealed sub, if all its ports are plugged. Meaning would it then have the desired gradual roll-off?
If thats the case, then would it make sense to always prefer a ported sub, because by plugging the ports you can get all the benefits of a sealed sub (when listening to music), and when you want to go low (when watching movies) just unplug the ports and let it rip?
post #46019 of 51524
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Originally Posted by nc88keyz View Post

I had one of the last pairs of VS Surrounds that Vanns sold. I thought about just hanging on to them in the box for resale, but the same month I had purchased 2 pair RC-R and an Emotiva UPA-7. I sent them back sealed, and Vann's kindly sent me a shipping label for them to return free.



Again, as mentioned before what I really kick myself about it not hording LC-RCR's from Miejer. I had no idea how many they sold but I remember it made slickdeals at 179.00 Stupid Silly price for those.

Imagine if you have abut 8 of those right now. Easy money to be made.

You know..... the more you post about flipping Energy products, the less likable you become! This thread is for guys interested in talking about our love of Energy speakers and things directly related to them.... not about your experiences making money on Ebay
post #46020 of 51524
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I sold today my receiver in excellent condition with everything ,manual ,calibration mic ,antenna ,original box for $180 ,the guys was super happy with the purchase we had a 1 hour talk I mention him about batpig,he knows about batpig website, I'm wondering how many people know batpig website? lol.batpig I think you should have a web hit counter displayed on your site.


The guy drive for 1 hour and 30 minutes to get the receiver.

Was that for your avr-1911?

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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

You know..... the more you post about flipping Energy products, the less likable you become! This thread is for guys interested in talking about our love of Energy speakers and things directly related to them.... not about your experiences making money on Ebay

And to add to that, we are all about helping each other build good home theater and music setups for reasonable and affordable prices. If you had scooped up 8 of the Meijer RC-LCR's, that would have been 7 or 8 people (possibly all on this forum) that you would be taking those affordable speakers away from. I certainly would frown on that.
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