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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Is the S10.3 alot better than the EWSC-10

Yes.

Outside of the more subjective (more musical, etc.):

C10 - Power: 150W continuous/400W dynamic , Frequency response: 32Hz - 140 Hz

S10.3 - Power: 200 Watts continuous, 800 Watts dynamic peak, Frequency response: 21Hz-120Hz

And just a better sub. I have one, it's excellent for my space.
post #46472 of 51472
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Thank you for the offer caloyzki, but I must decline.
just kidding sir. tongue.gif
post #46473 of 51472
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Originally Posted by spincycle79 View Post

Has anyone attempted to wall mount their RC-10's? They'll be doing surround duty in my home system.

Yes of course they have... That's why they have the threaded insert in the back of them... If you can still find the Macromounts for sale somewhere, they are great, but most likely pretty much out of stock everywhere.... More widely available are the Omnimount 20.0s which work perfectly with the RC-10. There are plenty of other wall mount options out there too...
post #46474 of 51472
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

i know klipsch is on sale right now at newegg for 279, this is what i am considering too buy this and sell my dayton, other option is bic f12 is a good sub? what are the advantages and disadvantages from klipsch? some is offering me his 2 bic f12 of course used. if i get that im having 2 subs bic f12. which one should i get?

There's a whole discussion thread for the RW-12d which would be a much better place to get useful suggestions. There are plenty of RW-12d owners there who know more about the sub, and the advantages and disadvantages have been frequently discussed. Just have to skim through that thread and ask questions smile.gif
post #46475 of 51472
Anyone have insight on how well V-S surrounds will match an entirely RC setup vs. the RC-R? I've read differing opinions from various sources, some saying negligible difference and others saying the V-Ss are MUCH brighter.
post #46476 of 51472
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

Yes.

Outside of the more subjective (more musical, etc.):

C10 - Power: 150W continuous/400W dynamic , Frequency response: 32Hz - 140 Hz

S10.3 - Power: 200 Watts continuous, 800 Watts dynamic peak, Frequency response: 21Hz-120Hz

And just a better sub. I have one, it's excellent for my space.

A swift kick to curb goes my eswc-10.eek.gif
cant sell this dam thing for nothing even though its new
post #46477 of 51472
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Originally Posted by JuEv0splash View Post

Anyone have insight on how well V-S surrounds will match an entirely RC setup vs. the RC-R? I've read differing opinions from various sources, some saying negligible difference and others saying the V-Ss are MUCH brighter.

Yes. They are brighter. I use the VS Surrounds with RC-50s/RC-LCR. But I'm so glad I got it because of the bipole. So if you are looking for an exact timbre match for critical 5.1 audio listening, not the best choice. But for movie usage, I think it's great and would doubt that the RC-R would be that much better.
post #46478 of 51472
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Is the S10.3 alot better than the EWSC-10

ESW-C10
System Type 32Hz-140Hz
Frequency Response (Hz, +/-3dB) 400 Watts dynamic, 150 Watts continuous


S10.3
Power Rating 200 Watts continuous, 800 Watts dynamic peak
Frequency Response 21Hz-120Hz +/- 3dB


The s10.3 plays quite a bit lower.

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A swift kick to curb goes my eswc-10.
cant sell this dam thing for nothing even though its new

Someone is always willing to buy if you lower the price enough. How much are you asking?
post #46479 of 51472
150.00 free shipping
post #46480 of 51472
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Originally Posted by BassLake View Post

Black RC-10 reborn in cherry. Popped out the drivers and back plate. Used vice grips and twisted out the posts for grill and filled. Sanded old stain off and wiped them down. Applied veneer with contact cement and did the usual router trim for edges and driver cut outs. Then the fun started when I used a utility knife to carefully finish cutting out for the existing holes. For that I cut slots of the original screw holes then lightly screwed the driver/back plate down to center it. It was then used as a template to cut the holes. A quick hand sand and then three coats of General Finishes satin. I flat painted the aluminum. Carefully pushed in the drivers then used a Sharpie on the phase plugs and the woofer cones. Some might cringe at that idea.


They turned out pretty nicely and now match the front DIY speakers.
LL

Caper, here is that post I mentioned the other day.

I say you go for whatever you were thinking about with those RC-70's. You no doubt have the skills. Let's see what you got!
post #46481 of 51472
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Originally Posted by JuEv0splash View Post

Anyone have insight on how well V-S surrounds will match an entirely RC setup vs. the RC-R? I've read differing opinions from various sources, some saying negligible difference and others saying the V-Ss are MUCH brighter.
I don't think or hear the V-S as bright sounding, but that's my opinion.

As for timbre matching, I watched Life of Pi and The Hobbit on BD with an RC-LCR, Pioneer SP-FS52 towers, and V-S surrounds and they both sounded excellent.

Sometimes, I think the Pioneers sound more detailed that the RC-70S!
Edited by audit13 - 4/2/13 at 2:48pm
post #46482 of 51472
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Originally Posted by audit13 View Post

I don't think or hear the V-S as bright sounding, but that's my opinion.

As for timbre matching, I watched Life of Pi and The Hobbit on BD with an RC-LCR, Pioneer SP-FS52 towers, and V-S surrounds and they both sounded excellent.

Sometimes, I think the Pioneers sound more detailed that the RC-70S!
Interesting comment about those Pioneer speakers. I have a pair of the SP F-51's I think they are not very good so the SP-F52's sound from
your description a lot better if your comparing them to the RC-70's. Surprised to hear that.
post #46483 of 51472
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Interesting comment about those Pioneer speakers. I have a pair of the SP F-51's I think they are not very good so the SP-F52's sound from
your description a lot better if your comparing them to the RC-70's. Surprised to hear that.
I have never heard the first gen Andrew Jones speakers so I can't really comment. All I can say is the SP-FS52 towers are quite nice.

I have a pair of RC-70s on order from FutureShop and I am suppose to pick them up today. I'm having second thoughts since the RC-70s cost over 4 times more than the Pioneer towers. I was thinking about using the RC-70s in a 2-channel system in the living room. The 2-channel system wouldn't be used too often. It's just that I have a Marantz receiver that is sitting in my closet.
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Originally Posted by audit13 View Post

I have never heard the first gen Andrew Jones speakers so I can't really comment. All I can say is the SP-FS52 towers are quite nice.

I have a pair of RC-70s on order from FutureShop and I am suppose to pick them up today. I'm having second thoughts since the RC-70s cost over 4 times more than the Pioneer towers. I was thinking about using the RC-70s in a 2-channel system in the living room. The 2-channel system wouldn't be used too often. It's just that I have a Marantz receiver that is sitting in my closet.

Not sure how you did the comparison of the Pioneers and the RC-70's, in a store? I think once you get the 70's in your house and do a comparison there is a good chance you might think differently.
But hey if the Pioneers sound better to you you might want to pick up the matching center for a timbre front. Like I mentioned I bought a pair of the SP-F51's and the matching center 3 years ago. my 1st go at HT. Still have those and I did a comparison for HT and 2 channel and the RC-70's blew them away in all regards.
post #46485 of 51472
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Not sure how you did the comparison of the Pioneers and the RC-70's, in a store? I think once you get the 70's in your house and do a comparison there is a good chance you might think differently.
But hey if the Pioneers sound better to you you might want to pick up the matching center for a timbre front. Like I mentioned I bought a pair of the SP-F51's and the matching center 3 years ago. my 1st go at HT. Still have those and I did a comparison for HT and 2 channel and the RC-70's blew them away in all regards.
I replaced my RC-70s with the Pioneers in my HT room. Yes, I still love my RC-70s but the Pioneers are damn good for the money. I have to decide for myself if the RC-70s are 4 times better than the Pioneers.

As for timbre matching, I sometimes think this is overblown. When you take the same drivers but place them in a different cabinet in a different position from the front L and R, I don't think you would be able to timbre match completely. This may not be the case if I used 3 RC-LCRs at the front. I used the Pioneers with an Energy RC-LCR and I didn't feel there was a great mismatch between the RC-LCR and the Pioneers. I'm sure people have different opinions on the subject and I'm not trying to start a heated debate over the matter. This is just my opinion.

Sigh, what to do? Oh, what to do?
post #46486 of 51472
so if you get the 70's today you will have 4 of them correct? Along with a rclcr and the VS surrounds? That would make a really nice 7. setup. Use the 4 70's for fronts and front wides if
your receiver has the option for heights or front wides..
post #46487 of 51472
A speaker that is 4 times more expensive is never going to be 4 times better. That's the law of diminishing returns. You pay more and more money for smaller and smaller incremental improvements. But incremental improvements are worth a lot to some folk... it all depends on your personal balance between budget and desire. The same is true for any hobby.

I also think timbre matching is a bit overrated... obviously in a perfect world you would have identical speakers everywhere, but as long as it's close (and especially if you have a good auto EQ system like Audyssey) you can really "get away" with mismatches in many real world situations. Again, as above, it all depends on how much you are willing to spend plus how anal you are about sound quality. If you had a dedicated theater room with a large budget, then of course go ahead and get a perfect match. But for a casual viewing living room setup? Matching V-S surrounds with RC fronts is not going to be a big deal.
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

so if you get the 70's today you will have 4 of them correct? Along with a rclcr and the VS surrounds? That would make a really nice 7. setup. Use the 4 70's for fronts and front wides if
your receiver has the option for heights or front wides..

I'm pretty happy with my 5.1 system, but you never know smile.gif
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

A speaker that is 4 times more expensive is never going to be 4 times better. That's the law of diminishing returns. You pay more and more money for smaller and smaller incremental improvements. But incremental improvements are worth a lot to some folk... it all depends on your personal balance between budget and desire. The same is true for any hobby.

I also think timbre matching is a bit overrated... obviously in a perfect world you would have identical speakers everywhere, but as long as it's close (and especially if you have a good auto EQ system like Audyssey) you can really "get away" with mismatches in many real world situations. Again, as above, it all depends on how much you are willing to spend plus how anal you are about sound quality. If you had a dedicated theater room with a large budget, then of course go ahead and get a perfect match. But for a casual viewing living room setup? Matching V-S surrounds with RC fronts is not going to be a big deal.

Very true about dimishing returns (and my dimishing bank balance). Also, equalization can be a welcome addition in a room with bad acoustic properties.

I have an area in the basement that I turned into my HT room. I want good sound to accompany a good picture. Am I a casual listener? Not sure but I do consider myself a HT enthusiast:D
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I totally agree you have to play with what you can afford. Maybe those sp-f52's are better than the 51's because the 51's are no comparison to the 70's tonal wise.
Actually I like the pioneer sp-21 center better than the 51 towers. If I were building with those I would go the 21's all the way around.
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Originally Posted by audit13 View Post

I'm pretty happy with my 5.1 system, but you never know smile.gif
Very true about dimishing returns (and my dimishing bank balance). Also, equalization can be a welcome addition in a room with bad acoustic properties.

I have an area in the basement that I turned into my HT room. I want good sound to accompany a good picture. Am I a casual listener? Not sure but I do consider myself a HT enthusiast:D
I have had a number of different speakers over the years, sony, pioneer new and old, paradigm energy and some others. Not cutting you down by any means just really surprised to hear that from the 2nd generation pioneers. Good for you on those and by all means cheaper as well. My 1st try at HT was 4 sony ss-mf500's I think thats them 2 bass drivers a mid and a tweeter and that pioneer sp21 for the center no equalizer just plugged them in and that was it. Sounded great. In some ways it would be nice to have ended there.
post #46491 of 51472
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

I have had a number of different speakers over the years, sony, pioneer new and old, paradigm energy and some others. Not cutting you down by any means just really surprised to hear that from the 2nd generation pioneers. Good for you on those and by all means cheaper as well. My 1st try at HT was 4 sony ss-mf500's I think thats them 2 bass drivers a mid and a tweeter and that pioneer sp21 for the center no equalizer just plugged them in and that was it. Sounded great. In some ways it would be nice to have ended there.

No worries. Sound is something that's very personal. If it sounds good to the owner, that's all that really matters.

I surprised myself after listening to these Pioneers. I wasn't expecting to like them as much as I do. As with anything, there are compromises and the RC-70's soundstage and bass extension are much wider and deeper than the Pioneers. Depending on a person's musical tastes, the Pioneers need a subwoofer, unlike the RC-70s.
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Originally Posted by audit13 View Post

No worries. Sound is something that's very personal. If it sounds good to the owner, that's all that really matters.

I surprised myself after listening to these Pioneers. I wasn't expecting to like them as much as I do. As with anything, there are compromises and the RC-70's soundstage and bass extension are much wider and deeper than the Pioneers. Depending on a person's musical tastes, the Pioneers need a subwoofer, unlike the RC-70s.







I keep checking my profile to make sure I'm not subscribed to a pioneer-owners-thread!
post #46493 of 51472
In what universe is a comparison of other speakers to Energy speakers not relevant to the thread?

Perhaps you should stick to overpriced used speaker sales rather than trying to police this thread wink.gif
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I have a pair of PIONEER HPM 100,s version B had them since 1978. Always loved them hooked up to my sx-1080.
Will never get rid of them but I will say no match to the rc-70's
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Sir batpih like how much will cost the sub ship here in ny?
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

I have a pair of PIONEER HPM 100,s version B had them since 1978. Always loved them hooked up to my sx-1080.
Will never get rid of them but I will say no match to the rc-70's
I used to feel that way about a pair of Thiel 04a speakers I had hooked up to a Bryston 1B prepamp and David Hafler power amp. The speakers sat unused for many years so I decided to give the speakers away on another forum. Why? So some else could enjoy the sound of these awesome speakers.

BTW, getting my RC-30s made giving away the Thiel speakers a lot easier.
post #46497 of 51472
For someone in the Seattle area, potential good deals on a couple of pickup-only items on eBay:

Energy A5+2 Audissey bipolar towers currently at $149 minimum bid with 0 bids and no reserve.

Energy ES-12 XL subwoofer currently only $49 with no reserve.
post #46498 of 51472
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

For someone in the Seattle area, potential good deals on a couple of pickup-only items on eBay:

Energy A5+2 Audissey bipolar towers currently at $149 minimum bid with 0 bids and no reserve.

Energy ES-12 XL subwoofer currently only $49 with no reserve.

Thats my area. Would like to find the v1.8 in my area.
post #46499 of 51472
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

For someone in the Seattle area, potential good deals on a couple of pickup-only items on eBay:

Energy A5+2 Audissey bipolar towers currently at $149 minimum bid with 0 bids and no reserve.

Energy ES-12 XL subwoofer currently only $49 with no reserve.
Is this sub the same with one here in ny craigslist?
post #46500 of 51472
It's the larger 12 inch version but from the same series. The 12" version also has a gloss black finish whereas the 8" and 10" models have plain black ash.
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