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post #46531 of 51468
Hello all! Quick question from a relative neophyte on the home theatre path.

I managed to snag a pair of RC-70s for $350ea at FutureShop yesterday. After a lot of research, I'd pretty much decided on the Denon 2313ci before I went to pick up the speakers. But the sales guy recommended the Yamaha RX-V773 (which I've since found seems to have been discontinued??) Now, I used to work at FutureShop so I know the deal, but this guy seemed pretty knowledgeable audio-wise, and even though they had no 773s anywhere in stock, he seemed to

Any feeling at all as to whether one of these AVRs or the other would make the RC-70s shine brighter? Planned use is probably 70/30 movies/games to music.

Or should I GTFO and take this to the AVR section? biggrin.gif
post #46532 of 51468
Denton, I would lean towards the Denon...I don't think that Yamaha is out of date as it claims to have 4k pass through as does the Denon (neither can pass a true 4k signal.........that will take HDMI 2.0 or something...false advertising). The denon has AUDYSSEY MultEQ XT vs Yamaha with its YAPO.......

I also picked up a second set of RC 70's from FS today based on ordering them 3 days ago.......just took in my e-mail......probably the best $349 each speaker ever sold in history.....sounds fantastic with my older Denon AVR-3808A and my Onkyo TX-N3009.

I wish FS could access some secret supply of RC-LCR's........there are tons of new 70's in my city at FS.

One other thing I would go after the Denon 3313.......they show out of stock in Edmonton.......but...at $999 it is worth the $100 more just for looks alone.
Edited by JKR1963 - 4/3/13 at 1:48pm
post #46533 of 51468
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

30s vs 10s on their own is one thing, but with the bass crossed over to your sub I think you'll be disappointed if you expect to hear a big difference. People have even reported that 70s run as small with a sub don't sound that different from 10s. But the 30s will give you the option of using them w/o the sub for music if you want to.

Point noted. I would expect the sub to be on 95% of the time. So maybe I should just stick it out with the 10's.

But generally, would music sound better with the low end hitting from the towers, or through the sub? Keeping in mind the music I would listen to is relativly bass heavy. I understand thats a subjective question, but looking for some general info.
post #46534 of 51468
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Originally Posted by deton8 View Post

Hello all! Quick question from a relative neophyte on the home theatre path.

I managed to snag a pair of RC-70s for $350ea at FutureShop yesterday. After a lot of research, I'd pretty much decided on the Denon 2313ci before I went to pick up the speakers. But the sales guy recommended the Yamaha RX-V773 (which I've since found seems to have been discontinued??) Now, I used to work at FutureShop so I know the deal, but this guy seemed pretty knowledgeable audio-wise, and even though they had no 773s anywhere in stock, he seemed to

Any feeling at all as to whether one of these AVRs or the other would make the RC-70s shine brighter? Planned use is probably 70/30 movies/games to music.

Or should I GTFO and take this to the AVR section? biggrin.gif

Probably the most benefit you get from an AVR is the features. To me, the best feature is the room correction, so whether it's YPAO or Audissey or (as I have) MCACC, so long as it does a good job, you're in good shape.

Audissey has a good reputation, but I think the audio priorities in descending order of importance are:

Speakers (including a good sub)
Room treatments / environment
Room correction
Anything else an AVR delivers
players

You've got the speakers covered (at least partially), I would go with what you wanted in the first place, and make sure you have the right speakers for what you want. If you want two channel, you're done. Otherwise, the choice of speakers is much more important than the one between those two AVRs

My 2 cents.
post #46535 of 51468
I agree that with a 80 or 100 Hz crossover, there would be minimal difference between the RC-10 and RC-30 coupled with a sub. The main difference would be the second woofer but the RC-30 is a 2.5-way design, which I guess would provide some benefits over the 2-way RC-10, but not as much as the 3-way design of the RC-70 with its dedicated mids driver. That being said... the fact is, with the RC towers, there are simply more drivers involved. This has to affect the sound some way other than just the on-axis frequency response. Maybe better dispersion?

In any way, $350 is a great price for a pair of RC-30s in good conditions: I'd probably pay that for RC-10s and stands. Beware though, RC-30s are significantly harder to wall-mount than RC-10s biggrin.gif
post #46536 of 51468
smh410



I think the RC-30 will blend even better with the sub vs the RC-10 with a sub.
post #46537 of 51468
okay improvement over the RC-10 cleaner bass punch ,cleaner and better mid bass ,cleaner mid range even that is a 2.5 way you get cleaner mids because is not just one driver trying to play all frequencies, they play louder more volume without distortion blend even better with sub.


2 owners already had said their experience with the speakers, the RC-30 are very impressive for a small tower.
post #46538 of 51468
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

Probably the most benefit you get from an AVR is the features. To me, the best feature is the room correction, so whether it's YPAO or Audissey or (as I have) MCACC, so long as it does a good job, you're in good shape.

Audissey has a good reputation, but I think the audio priorities in descending order of importance are:

Speakers (including a good sub)
Room treatments / environment
Room correction
Anything else an AVR delivers
players

You've got the speakers covered (at least partially), I would go with what you wanted in the first place, and make sure you have the right speakers for what you want. If you want two channel, you're done. Otherwise, the choice of speakers is much more important than the one between those two AVRs

My 2 cents.

Thanks for the replies guys! Yeah, I spent a lot of time researching receivers to narrow it down to the 2313, and the Audyssey room correction was definitely a selling point. Features wise, it does everything I plan to need for the next few years.

JKR1963, I totally agree about the RC-LCR... I've heard of some using the CC-10 with the RC-70s (its actually on for $199 at FS until tomorrow) but that its sound is said to be somewhat brighter. I guess there's also the V.5.2c, but in Canada at least they want almost as much for it as I paid for the two fronts! At this point I may hold off on a center and get the receiver, maybe start looking for a sub.
post #46539 of 51468
Someone selling a black 5.2c in downtown Toronto: http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649053135-energy_veritas_v52c_piano_black/

Dealer in Barrie, Ontario selling RC-70s for $975: http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649053283-energy_reference_connoisseur_rc70/

Just picked up my RC-70s from FS too.
post #46540 of 51468
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Originally Posted by skyisyellow View Post

Hello Guys/Gals

In the process of looking for my first 5.1 HT setup. I already have listened to B&W, Focal 826v,Maggie's 1.7, Ascend Tower, Phil 2's. The last two I actually demoed at board member homes. I sent a email to Aperion awhile back to recommend what speakers I should get based on my room size. Would anyone allow mr to demo the VGT in 5.1 ?. I live in Northern NJ but willing to travel . Thank you for the consideration.

Stephen

What is the VGT? And what does your post have to do with Energy speakers? I'm a little lost.

You mentioned B&W, Focal, Ascend, Phil 2's and VGT. I don't see any Energy speakers in there.
post #46541 of 51468
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

What is the VGT? And what does your post have to do with Energy speakers? I'm a little lost.

You mentioned B&W, Focal, Ascend, Phil 2's and VGT. I don't see any Energy speakers in there.
I guess he meant Aperion Verus Grand Towers.
Still. Wrong thread.
post #46542 of 51468
My S10.3 has shipped. Should arrive Tuesday. Hopefully everything works out.
post #46543 of 51468
If someone wants to jump in with their wallet first, then their head, this could be the deal for you in Reno!

http://reno.craigslist.org/ele/3702836237.html


a lotta kit for a decent price when you add it up, some decent seperate prices.

negotiate something amazing
post #46544 of 51468
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

My S10.3 has shipped. Should arrive Tuesday. Hopefully everything works out.

I absolutely love my s10.2 so my guess is you'll be impressed with the 10.3
post #46545 of 51468
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Originally Posted by nc88keyz View Post

If someone wants to jump in with their wallet first, then their head, this could be the deal for you in Reno!

http://reno.craigslist.org/ele/3702836237.html


a lotta kit for a decent price when you add it up, some decent seperate prices.

negotiate something amazing

Great find!!! the towers ,surround and bookshelf have a great price.

(2) Energy Veritas V-6.3 Floorstanding Speakers $900
(1) Energy Veritas V-5.2-C Center Channel Speaker $400
(2) Energy Veritas V-S Surround Speakers $500
(2) Energy Veritas V-5.1 Bookshelf Speakers $400

All in pristine condition, 1 year old. The finish on all speakers and sub is high grade black piano finish. These prices are WAY below MSRP.
post #46546 of 51468
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Originally Posted by smh410 View Post

Point noted. I would expect the sub to be on 95% of the time. So maybe I should just stick it out with the 10's.

But generally, would music sound better with the low end hitting from the towers, or through the sub? Keeping in mind the music I would listen to is relativly bass heavy. I understand thats a subjective question, but looking for some general info.

I see there is a pair of RC-30's (black) used on ebay for $350, including shipping. That's a good deal if you were going to upgrade.
post #46547 of 51468
I have been a/b ing A set of RC70 Against my A3+2 BIPOLAR from 10+yrs ....The 70's are defiantely a more laid back speaker,warm to the point of muddyness,but not in a bad way.Alittle fine tuning here and there and they are nice sounding set and unfrigginbielevable at this price point.BUT the Audissey's A3+2 Have way better imaging and accurate tight sounds,Slight nuances in music like almost being able to hear the guitar pick itself as its stroked Across the strings,the Audissey's are slightly better at hometheater .The 70's are like a kick in the chest,obviously direct firing vs bipolar.I need to let the Audissey's go BUT MAN ITS GONNA BE HARD.I do prefer the look of the A3'S OVER THE 70'S,I like the sock .They are both nice speakers but it's time for a change.The 70's will go louder as well ,I was using PURE AUDIO setting /2 channell no sub for all music testing.
post #46548 of 51468
I saw the $350 at FS for the 70's. I weep that I can longer get these in Cherry.
post #46549 of 51468
Thanks everyone for their input.
post #46550 of 51468
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Originally Posted by MuaySteve View Post

I saw the $350 at FS for the 70's. I weep that I can longer get these in Cherry.
ME 2.
post #46551 of 51468
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Originally Posted by snowyo View Post

I have been a/b ing A set of RC70 Against my A3+2 BIPOLAR from 10+yrs ....The 70's are defiantely a more laid back speaker,warm to the point of muddyness,but not in a bad way.Alittle fine tuning here and there and they are nice sounding set and unfrigginbielevable at this price point.BUT the Audissey's A3+2 Have way better imaging and accurate tight sounds,Slight nuances in music like almost being able to hear the guitar pick itself as its stroked Across the strings,the Audissey's are slightly better at hometheater .The 70's are like a kick in the chest,obviously direct firing vs bipolar.I need to let the Audissey's go BUT MAN ITS GONNA BE HARD.I do prefer the look of the A3'S OVER THE 70'S,I like the sock .They are both nice speakers but it's time for a change.The 70's will go louder as well ,I was using PURE AUDIO setting /2 channell no sub for all music testing.

The older aluminum dome tweeter from those Audissey / Connoisseur (even number) speakers is definitely brighter than the RC tweeter, so not surprised you get the sense of greater detail in high frequencies (like guitar pick stroking across the strings). The more pronounced treble (plus the bipolar radiation) will also make sounds "float" a little more which probably explains the sense of greater imaging.

I definitely would like to hear those old Audissey's one of these days.
post #46552 of 51468
Hey guys, I was wondering has anyone gone from using RCLCR's as mains to RC70's and if so what are your impressions.
My RCLCR's are paired with 2 SVS PB 12' and are more than capable so picking the RC70's is want vs a nee:pd
post #46553 of 51468
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Originally Posted by deton8 View Post

Hello all! Quick question from a relative neophyte on the home theatre path.

I managed to snag a pair of RC-70s for $350ea at FutureShop yesterday. After a lot of research, I'd pretty much decided on the Denon 2313ci before I went to pick up the speakers. But the sales guy recommended the Yamaha RX-V773 (which I've since found seems to have been discontinued??) Now, I used to work at FutureShop so I know the deal, but this guy seemed pretty knowledgeable audio-wise, and even though they had no 773s anywhere in stock, he seemed to

Any feeling at all as to whether one of these AVRs or the other would make the RC-70s shine brighter? Planned use is probably 70/30 movies/games to music.

Or should I GTFO and take this to the AVR section? biggrin.gif

I dont have the Yamaha RX-V773 but I do have a Yamaha RX-V659 from 2006. I hooked up a pair of my RC-70's this morning to the RX-V659. I do like the sound of this combination
for 2 channel listening. With that said these are 2 different receivers, I believe Yamaha went a different direction with their amplifiers after 2008,but hopefully this helps a little.
post #46554 of 51468
Hey all,

I'm using my new RC70s in zone 2 (Denon 2112ci AVR) for 2.0 music. I've got probably 100 hours on them so far. I have to say I was skeptical about the "break-in" phenomenon but I'm a true believer now, they really seemed to open up within the last few weeks.

I've got them about 12' apart and 10' from the MLP, toed in, and at least 3' from the nearest side-wall. Unfortunately due to space constraints they're only about 10 inches from the front wall. I've been playing around with the port plugs and to my ears they sound best with only the lower hole plugged, the midrange seems to really shine in that setup. What are others doing with their plugs if you're that close to the wall?

Do you think I would hear major improvements by going with a separate amp with more power instead of running off the zone 2? I can't complain about the sound but I just don't know if I'm missing out on their full potential (you know, sonic nirvana tongue.gif).

Thanks!

Jamus
post #46555 of 51468
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Originally Posted by jmac2000 View Post

Hey all,

I'm using my new RC70s in zone 2 (Denon 2112ci AVR) for 2.0 music. I've got probably 100 hours on them so far. I have to say I was skeptical about the "break-in" phenomenon but I'm a true believer now, they really seemed to open up within the last few weeks.

I've got them about 12' apart and 10' from the MLP, toed in, and at least 3' from the nearest side-wall. Unfortunately due to space constraints they're only about 10 inches from the front wall. I've been playing around with the port plugs and to my ears they sound best with only the lower hole plugged, the midrange seems to really shine in that setup. What are others doing with their plugs if you're that close to the wall?

Do you think I would hear major improvements by going with a separate amp with more power instead of running off the zone 2? I can't complain about the sound but I just don't know if I'm missing out on their full potential (you know, sonic nirvana tongue.gif).

Thanks!

Jamus

I have my RC70's with one port blocked on the bottom as well. I tested them different ways and found that to be the best for me. Mine are about 1 foot away from the side and front walls. So true about the break-in. Quite a difference.
Edited by eah9 - 4/4/13 at 1:47pm
post #46556 of 51468
is anyone from here using klipsch sub rw 12d with youre energy speakers? if yes, how was it?
post #46557 of 51468
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

is anyone from here using klipsch sub rw 12d with youre energy speakers? if yes, how was it?
If all you have to spend is $300 then it will sound fantastic, if you have $1000 to spend then another sub will sound fantastic, if you have $3k+ then you are getting into orbit shifter territory and your house may collapse! Subs do not "match" speakers, so the most you can afford will be the best you can do. Do not underestimate a subwoofer though, IMO it is one of the most important aspects of a home theater experience so spend as much as you can on a good sub.
post #46558 of 51468
Recently upgraded my Klipsch Quintet surround sound to Energy CC-10 center, CF-50 fronts, and CB-5 surrounds. It's no Veritas or RC, but sounds much better than what I had before with the small satellites. Have to admit though that I did a comparison in Magnolia with the center channel and found that it sounded as good as or better than some twice its price.
post #46559 of 51468
^
Agreed! CC-10 is awesome; I stopped auditioning other centers after I heard it. Bought it on the spot...
post #46560 of 51468
I also have the CC-10 & CF-70 powered by a Yamaha RX-V773...love the detail
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