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post #47251 of 51452
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

I set a budget for what I would pay and be happy with for the v2.4i or v2.3i surprised I actualy found 1 each in my price range.

I remember someone had said (sorry that I forgot who -- you know who you are though! smile.gif ) that the 2.3i are quite a bit easier to place, since they're front-ported, and not back ported. The 2.4i are front-and-back ported, so they need more room away from the wall.

As far as the difference in sound between the two...I have no clue, as I haven't heard either.

Worth noting though, is the 'upgrade-itch" factor. $300 more might be worth the peace of mind knowing that...well -- you can't buy anything better in that particular line. wink.gif
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'twas me
post #47253 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

Kind of like brendelac said, if you can get a second SVS later, that would be cool. I have thoroughly enjoyed having dual s10.2 subwoofers, so the pair of s10.3 would be nice too. The advantage of the SVS would be the warranty as well.


Thanks for your input. decisions decisions...
post #47254 of 51452
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

How can he expect anyone will believe he spent $30k on the setup if he's willing to sell it for $1800? I always am amused by people who blatantly lie in Craigslist ads, as though the person isn't going to google and easily invalidate the claims.

That said, $1800 isn't a bad deal for a 5805 and 5 Veritas speakers.
I wonder if he meant $2,700, and not 27k ?
post #47255 of 51452
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

I wonder if he meant $2,700, and not 27k ?
If that's the case, then he has spent more on cable than he has on speakers which makes it all the more ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

No but where in northwest washington?
Just curious if they were somewhere that was close enough that I wouldn't mind driving to from Vancouver.
post #47256 of 51452
comparison, V2.3i or RC-70, is the V2.3i that much better? Ruled out the V2.4i for a number of reasons.
Edited by baron2 - 5/2/13 at 8:26am
post #47257 of 51452
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

Thanks for your input. decisions decisions...

I think dual S10.3 might be a better choice for your budget for now. Those subs have a great reputation, and having duals helps quite a bit with frequency response and bass uniformity. For what, $400? I think it's a great deal. You might be entirely satisfied with them. If not, they would be easy to re-sell, and you could use them for a while piling up for enough money to move even higher in the chain, skipping the PB-1000 for, say, the SVS NSD series, or the PowerSound Audio XV15, or a Rhytmik Empire...

The good news is that, either way, you can't really lose. The PB-1000s is supposed to be a strong contender for best-bang-for-the-buck at $500.
post #47258 of 51452
If anyone has a pair of FPS lying around collecting dust, or are looking to sell a pair to upgrade, I'm looking to pick up a pair - black. PM me.
post #47259 of 51452
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

comparison, V2.3i or RC-70, is the V2.3i that much better? Ruled out the V2.4i for a number of reasons.

2.3i all the way Man! I am sorry, but for just asking that question, you get a D on the Energy speaker model performance comparison quiz! Lol! But, with the purchase of the 2.3i's your grade improves to an A! Go get em....
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Thanks deano86.LOL smile.gif
post #47261 of 51452
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I think dual S10.3 might be a better choice for your budget for now. Those subs have a great reputation, and having duals helps quite a bit with frequency response and bass uniformity. For what, $400? I think it's a great deal. You might be entirely satisfied with them. If not, they would be easy to re-sell, and you could use them for a while piling up for enough money to move even higher in the chain, skipping the PB-1000 for, say, the SVS NSD series, or the PowerSound Audio XV15, or a Rhytmik Empire...

The good news is that, either way, you can't really lose. The PB-1000s is supposed to be a strong contender for best-bang-for-the-buck at $500.

Thanks Neutro. I can get the PB-1000 for $400 now or in about a month for $300 by using Amazon points (from Amex). I am thinking of giving that one a try. The 5 year warranty is an important deciding factor. I did find that SVS will honor the warranty even when buying through Amazon (OneCall). Not looking for foundation ratting bass, but just strong, tight, clean and balanced to work with the RC 70's and V5.2.

Thanks again!
post #47262 of 51452
If you can get the PB-1000 for $300 that's hard to pass up.

The big difference is that the PB-1000 is going to be flat to 20Hz and below. Considering the size of your space I would imagine that two S10.3's will have plenty of output unless you are listening REALLY loud, and the advantage of the dual subs is that you will probably get smoother overall response across the listening area because of the the interaction of the two cancelling out any room modes. But based on the measurements (see below) the single SVS PB-1000 will be capable of more overall output and will dig much deeper than the S10.3's, which are rolling off steeply below 25Hz.

I think overall "quality" will probably be similar, the S10.3's are well noted for their musicality and low distortion. So it's really a question of how much of a bass head you are. The S10.3's are probably "enough" for most people, but sometimes enough isn't enough, right? tongue.gif

This review at Sound & Vision Mag found the PB-1000 had a -3dB point of 18Hz and was capable of 113dB average output from 20-31.5Hz: http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2013/04/19/review-svs-pb-1000-subwoofer?page=0,1

The SVS-PB1000 put out 110.6dB at 20Hz, whereas in this Energy system review also at S&V the S10.3 could only put out 84dB. That's a pretty massive difference. Also note that peak SPL for the S10.3 is 108dB in the ~60Hz "slam" range, whereas the PB-1000 gets up to 122dB. So the PB-1000 will comfortable crush even two S10.3's in terms of output and extension. If you are willing to save up and add a second PB-1000 in the future, then there is no doubt you will get a much better overall system. So the major question is, is good enough good enough for YOU? biggrin.gif
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It's rare that a subwoofer I'm measuring delivers the manufacturer's rated frequency response at ±3 dB. The PB-1000 not only meets its spec but exceeds it, although by only 1 Hz. It's worth noting that the response in the subwoofer's operating bandwidth is unusually flat; it appears SVS was aggressive and meticulous with the PB-1000's DSP tuning.

... The low-bass power of the PB-1000 is readily apparent when you look at the output measurements. The measurements in the low bass (40-63 Hz) octave are nipping at the heels of the biggest and best subs on the market, such as the VTH-15H or SVS' own PC-13 Ultra. What's more surprising is the result in the ultra-low bass (20-31.5 Hz) octave, where the PB-1000 puts out 110.6 dB even way down at 20 Hz. It's 20 Hz output is only -11.9 db below its peak output. That's impressively flat output for such a small and inexpensive sub.

From a measurement standpoint, this is the most impressive <$500 sub I've encountered.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

If you can get the PB-1000 for $300 that's hard to pass up.

The big difference is that the PB-1000 is going to be flat to 20Hz and below. Considering the size of your space I would imagine that two S10.3's will have plenty of output unless you are listening REALLY loud, and the advantage of the dual subs is that you will probably get smoother overall response across the listening area because of the the interaction of the two cancelling out any room modes. But based on the measurements (see below) the single SVS PB-1000 will be capable of more overall output and will dig much deeper than the S10.3's, which are rolling off steeply below 25Hz.

I think overall "quality" will probably be similar, the S10.3's are well noted for their musicality and low distortion. So it's really a question of how much of a bass head you are. The S10.3's are probably "enough" for most people, but sometimes enough isn't enough, right? tongue.gif

This review at Sound & Vision Mag found the PB-1000 had a -3dB point of 18Hz and was capable of 113dB average output from 20-31.5Hz: http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2013/04/19/review-svs-pb-1000-subwoofer?page=0,1

The SVS-PB1000 put out 110.6dB at 20Hz, whereas in this Energy system review also at S&V the S10.3 could only put out 84dB. That's a pretty massive difference. Also note that peak SPL for the S10.3 is 108dB in the ~60Hz "slam" range, whereas the PB-1000 gets up to 122dB. So the PB-1000 will comfortable crush even two S10.3's in terms of output and extension. If you are willing to save up and add a second PB-1000 in the future, then there is no doubt you will get a much better overall system. So the major question is, is good enough good enough for YOU? biggrin.gif

Thanks Batpig. I think the WAF with 1 sub for a while would be best. That is my "enough is enough" limit biggrin.gif I will sell my KRK10s and the cost should almost be a wash with my point discount. One more month before I make this happen. I originally settled on the PB1000 because of Jim Wilson's review and the other impressive reviews. Ed Mullen - product rep on this forum is very responsive and impressive with his knowledge too.

You are all so helpful on here. Can't thank you enough! Working on REW in the near term....That should be a nice learning curve....
post #47264 of 51452
Wow. Based on Batpig's reponse, this is a no-brainer IMHO: 26 dB difference at 20 Hz is a LOT. You would need like, nine s10.3's to get that SPL (assuming 3dB gain per additional sub). But you would have an advantage in room response for sure with NINE subs compared to one. however, this is of course unpractical by all means. Wait and get the SVS. Then start saving $25 per pay, every pay, until you have enough for another. biggrin.gif In 10 months you would have at least $500 assuming 2 pays per month.
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

Wow. Based on Batpig's reponse, this is a no-brainer IMHO: 26 dB difference at 20 Hz is a LOT. You would need like, nine s10.3's to get that SPL (assuming 3dB gain per additional sub). But you would have an advantage in room response for sure with NINE subs compared to one. however, this is of course unpractical by all means. Wait and get the SVS. Then start saving $25 per pay, every pay, until you have enough for another. biggrin.gif In 10 months you would have at least $500 assuming 2 pays per month.

Yes - seriously. It's really powerful for a small footprint and only 46lbs. I think 1 would be sufficient for quite a while. I have already heard complaints about the KRK10s and noise getting from the HT to upstairs from other family members. biggrin.gif
post #47266 of 51452
eah9, your going to have yourself one nice setup with that addition:)
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

eah9, your going to have yourself one nice setup with that addition:)

Thanks! Can't wait! It's going to be even more theater like for sure!
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

Thanks! Can't wait! It's going to be even more theater like for sure!

smile.gif
post #47269 of 51452
Has anyone here ever dealt with Energy for warranty purposes. If I were to attach a copy of my receipt when I sell my RC-70's would Energy check to see if the purchaser is really me? Or ask for credit card info and void the warranty if the purchaser ever had to contact Energy? This is also the reason why I haven't gone for any used Veritas yet.

Also if I were to purchase some Veritas tweeters how much would it be? And are there any third party stores that sells Veritas tweeters?
post #47270 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Porthos01 View Post

Has anyone here ever dealt with Energy for warranty purposes. If I were to attach a copy of my receipt when I sell my RC-70's would Energy check to see if the purchaser is really me? Or ask for credit card info and void the warranty if the purchaser ever had to contact Energy? This is also the reason why I haven't gone for any used Veritas yet.

Also if I were to purchase some Veritas tweeters how much would it be? And are there any third party stores that sells Veritas tweeters?

I'm assuming you mean the newer Veritas, as the older ones wouldn't have a warranty by now. With the market the way it is, would you want to sell your RC-70s just to make a jump to the newer Veritas? They are pretty close in respect to looks, materials and technology.
post #47271 of 51452
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

comparison, V2.3i or RC-70, is the V2.3i that much better? Ruled out the V2.4i for a number of reasons.
Why did you rule out the 2.4i, if I may ask?
If you are looking for "just" 2 channel, thats the better speaker. Its got a nice hefty bass which you will miss in the 2.3i.
post #47272 of 51452
Well I have black RC-70's and I'm willing just to get the Veritas rosenut finish. When I play my Veritas center channel as the right speaker and the rc on the left they nearly have the same sound. The main difference is to me the Veritas doesn't seem to roll off the high frequencies as much. I can hear the tweeter much more clearly and I definitely notice details that are barely audible on the RC. The difference is very small but enough for me to want to switch, and to get matching rosenut for my center. If speakers do indeed last 20 or so years I intend to get what I really want.

I know most prefer the RC and I'm not trying to put them down but everyone hears things differently and I like the Veritas.
post #47273 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Porthos01 View Post

Has anyone here ever dealt with Energy for warranty purposes. If I were to attach a copy of my receipt when I sell my RC-70's would Energy check to see if the purchaser is really me? Or ask for credit card info and void the warranty if the purchaser ever had to contact Energy? This is also the reason why I haven't gone for any used Veritas yet.

Also if I were to purchase some Veritas tweeters how much would it be? And are there any third party stores that sells Veritas tweeters?

I just put in a claim for a tweeter. They just asked for the receipt. I forwarded my order confirmation email since they were bought online. Just got an email back that tweeters are on backorder until July unfortunately.
post #47274 of 51452
So they didn't really ask you to confirm your identity or credit card info? If that's how it works then I will try to add my receipt to my craigslist ad to let people know they still have a warranty and ask for the receipt if I purchase the Veritas.
post #47275 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Porthos01 View Post

So they didn't really ask you to confirm your identity or credit card info? If that's how it works then I will try to add my receipt to my craigslist ad to let people know they still have a warranty and ask for the receipt if I purchase the Veritas.

No

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post #47276 of 51452
Ok well at least I now know how their warranty process works. Thanks
post #47277 of 51452
Looking for a suggestion for a center speaker to go with RC-30 mains - but not RC-LCR as it is just too expensive now. Ideally around $200.

Long story: Bought on Craigslist a 5.1 setup consisting of Onkyo TX-SR805, pair of Energy RC-30, pair of Encore 2 satellites, Encore 8 sub and Bose VCS-10 center. Will sell the Bose center and get something to match RC-30s. Currently used in a bedroom around 15x15 ft.

In current Energy lineup, that seems to be CC-5 or CC-10. Any suggestions?

Many thanks.
post #47278 of 51452
Why should they care if your name is the same one as one the receipt? All that matters is that it's a legitimately purchased speaker from an authorized dealer. If the name had to match, then nobody could buy anyone speakers as a gift!

I'm confident that as long as you have the receipt you are fine.
post #47279 of 51452
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Originally Posted by condenser View Post

Looking for a suggestion for a center speaker to go with RC-30 mains - but not RC-LCR as it is just too expensive now. Ideally around $200.

Long story: Bought on Craigslist a 5.1 setup consisting of Onkyo TX-SR805, pair of Energy RC-30, pair of Encore 2 satellites, Encore 8 sub and Bose VCS-10 center. Will sell the Bose center and get something to match RC-30s. Currently used in a bedroom around 15x15 ft.

In current Energy lineup, that seems to be CC-5 or CC-10. Any suggestions?

Many thanks.

First suggestion: since you are on a budget, tell us what your craigslist area is so we can scope out the used market.

Second suggestion: consider going without a center and just letting the RC-30's image a "phantom" center. Since it's a small bedroom setup, I assume you will be sitting relatively on axis in which case you may not really need a center channel.

The best match, if you can't afford the RC-LCR, and again considering it's a small room, would be the RC-Mini CC or its replacement, the V-Mini CC. WWStereo has the V-Mini CC brand new for $170 shipped: http://www.wwstereo.com/Energy/VMINICHGB
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Well I haven't really had anything electronic fail on me before. I have never really had to deal with this warranty stuff my entire life. The only thing that came close was that I mistakenly thought my Onkyo receiver died which ended up just being too many rooms wired to one circuit.

Also my speakers were purchased from Frys which I don't believe is an authorized dealer. They got the last of Vanns stock.
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