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post #47341 of 51519
I am currently trying to sell my RC-70's. If any of you don't mind I would like some PM messages on what you think would be a fair used price to sell at? I ask for PM because I don't want to derail this board. Thanks.
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porthos I highly recommend to double box the RC-70s, that will save you a headache.
post #47343 of 51519
I would try local sales, honestly. Those RC could take a beating if you dont spend about 40 dollars in just packing materials and double boxing.
post #47344 of 51519
Well I have my ad on Craigslist and AVSforum. I am only trying to sell locally so I'm not quite at the point of selling online yet. I know shipping and paypal fees will really bite so I would like to put that off as a last resort. The fact that my stryofoam completely disintegrated when they shipped from Frys completely complicates the shipping part.
post #47345 of 51519
Two tweeter related questions:

1) Why is the tweeter used in the RC-LCR different than the rest of the RC series?

2)Is the tweeter in the RC-LCR the same that is used in the latest generation veritas speakers?
post #47346 of 51519
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Originally Posted by johnb4467 View Post


The sub-pairing with the 2.2i's has been hit-and-miss for me. Audyssey blends things wonderfully for HT, but for music it doesn't sound as punchy as even with the bookshelves in "pure audio" by themselves in many cases; the bass is very subdued in a lot of ways whether in 2.1ch or PLII Music. The sub is a s12.3, so I doubt that's the limiting factor -- I think this falls under the 'preference vs reference' category that the audyssey FAQ (batpig-provided) mentions. I've given it some time to try and let my ears adjust, but I just seem to miss it. The downer is that I don't know how to adjust the EQ curve independently; I can't just turn up the bass knob on the sub, because I think the crossover & EQ isn't happening in an area that gets a boost to the bass in the region I'm seeking (as opposed to, say, my car -- where I can adjust anywhere on the curve quite quickly). The 2.2i's sound better in some cases by themselves, but just can't dig as deep as, say, the C-8's. If I could resolve this, I'd be 100% satisfied with the 2.2i's. I'd love to be able to listen to music and not have to keep switching back-and-forth between modes to figure out which "sounds better".

Did you try the Audyssey Bypass L/R Mode? This bypasses Audyssey on your 2.2is, but not your sub. You will notice more bass in this mode.
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Oh...and by the way...if I were to "jump up" the veritas line ... would my denon 4311 be enough sufficiently power [up to] the 2.4i's by itself, whether for music or HT -- or once we get to that size of speaker, are we needing separates, etc? I know the 4311 is highly regarded, but I'm sure...like anything...it has its limits. The C-8's are driven fine by the 4311, but the 2.4i's [just as an ex] have more drivers and are tanks comparatively [weight-wise]. wink.gif

4311 is quite sufficient to power the 2.4i.There is no need for external amplification if power is the only concern.
If an amp can help bring the mids forward, that would be the only reason to use one.
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I forgot to mention today that my daughter (age 2) pushed one of my port plugs down into my RC-10. I tried many things to get it out without having to open it. Then I realized, if my daughter could push it in all the way, her hand fits. So I had her reach in and squeeze the port plug and pull it out smile.gif She hasn't ever messed with my speakers before, and said she was sorry and I explained that if she messed with speakers then she couldn't hear her shows and she got all worried. haha
post #47348 of 51519
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

I forgot to mention today that my daughter (age 2) pushed one of my port plugs down into my RC-10. I tried many things to get it out without having to open it. Then I realized, if my daughter could push it in all the way, her hand fits. So I had her reach in and squeeze the port plug and pull it out smile.gif She hasn't ever messed with my speakers before, and said she was sorry and I explained that if she messed with speakers then she couldn't hear her shows and she got all worried. haha


that's awesome. I have 4 boys and they don't seem to worry about anything...my 4 year old has already put numerous items in my upstairs front ported subwoofer. hopefully some cash is in there.... :-)
post #47349 of 51519
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Originally Posted by Porthos01 View Post

Well I have my ad on Craigslist and AVSforum. I am only trying to sell locally so I'm not quite at the point of selling online yet. I know shipping and paypal fees will really bite so I would like to put that off as a last resort. The fact that my stryofoam completely disintegrated when they shipped from Frys completely complicates the shipping part.

You could try double-boxing with packing between the boxes. I've had things show up where people have made little boxes around styrofoam blocks and then taped the boxes in the corners between the double-boxes. This way it can compress but not shift. Keeps the speaker away from the corners where most of the damage occurs. The double-boxing makes sure whatever happens to the outer box doesn't affect the inner box.

My Veritas V2.3's were shipped just each in a box with small bubble wrap, then large bubble wrap, then Styrofoam popcorn. I think the biggest plus was that it was shipped FedEx and as soon as I knew it had shipped, I called and had them hold them at the closest facility. FedEx seems more careful, and they bounced around in one less truck for one less day that way. He charged me $150 shipping but I could see it took him a while. He hand-formed the boxes and the taped them up real good.

BTW: I asked the local music store when the best time was to come by for empty boxes. The alley behind the store was full of nice boxes and packaging. You can really increase your customer base, and final price, if you brag about your shipping skills.
post #47350 of 51519
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You could try double-boxing with packing between the boxes.

This is really the only way to safely package a speaker like the RC-70 or anything else similarly delicate where the single box isn't adequate. I would feel comfortable shipping my RC-10's (if and when I sell them) in their factory box because it is well padded, with both speakers securely snugged in there and with plenty of corner padding, and also it's not so lopsided and long... but from what I've seen / heard of those long boxes for the tower speakers, no way.
post #47351 of 51519
You are correct sir. Guitar and particularly keyboard / 76 and 88 note workstation boxes are built like tanks. Those boxes are rediculously sturdy for transport and free at the local guitar center alley. I regret when i purchased my korg kronos 88 it did not come with box. Of course price was favorable this way second hand.


All the other energy boxes are great, but those RC-70s are horibble boxes. They should have fired who ever approved that for shipping. I cant speak for the veritas of new. I would imagine the veritas of olden days have great boxes included.


here are some shots of my rc-70s when they arrived from Vanns. Due note: The biggest box had the RC-LCR and VS Surrounds in it and was double-boxed. The RC-70s were not double boxed. I ended up with one mashed corner on base that Klipsch sent to me FOC / and Vann's credited me a healthy $175.00 for. But anyways. Pics are below. Short summary of story and conversation with Vanns Klipsch. I purchased 2 weeks before BK of Vanns.

me: Vanns, i am a little concernd about your recent announcement of liquidation / restruction and the speaker i bought.
Vanns: we are re-negotiating our contract
me: so you were authorized when i boought them, but you cant just replace the base from an open box unit that you have ?
Vanns: no and we cant order parts either.
Klipsch: They are not authorized, we havent sold those speakers in years, Energy is basically defunct, No the older energy speakers from canada , Those were the real energy speakers. ..yada yada yada, You will have to speak to your dealer about repair / exchange options
Vanns: We will offer you 100 off for damage rc70
me: no I would rather have a new one, and you guys can pay pick up and return shipping, Not my fault, here are the pictures from the packing.
Vanns: let me see what we can do. $175 was offered.
Me: Letter to klipsche support, no repsonse, Just a base that showed up 4 days later FOC / and two led cables for my S10.3 subs that seem to have an issue burning out the power led.(current status burned out on 1, not the other)


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Edited by nc88keyz - 5/4/13 at 11:02pm
post #47352 of 51519
Vanns double boxed and extra padding when they shipped my rc-70's. My V2.2's came 1 each in an individual box then Energy back then put those 2 boxes in 1 big box.
The cardboard and packing they used back then was very good.
post #47353 of 51519
really recommend the double box or those edge protectors that you can put on the outer of the box with straps ,I sold my RC-70s months ago I try to protect then inside the best I could ,I was selling the speaker for a really hard to beat price ,the person told me to send then like that I will do a better job if he paid extra for protection but he want to get then as cheap as he can ,then the speaker arrive but one with a beat up corner in the top back, the corner wasn't there anymore ,he end up sending the speaker for repair.oh and it was FedEx the destination was just about 8 hours from here.
post #47354 of 51519
I think Vanns went back and forth on double boxing. Mine they did not.

so it was hit or miss there for a while.
post #47355 of 51519
The problem with the towers is the sheer inertia they pick up while being jostled around. Like they say in a car wreck - the second impact, the one where your head hits the windshield, is the one that does the damage. They are just too heavy and they compress and shatter the little bit of styrofoam they stuck in there. If you double-box them, the packing material between the two boxes acts like an airbag to absorb the impact. Anyone that got their RC-70's double-boxed from Vann's will remember the nice sprayed-in expanded foam pouches they used to keep the boxes tight together. Really nicely done.

Actually the third impact, when your brains hit the inside of your scull, is what I'm trying to suggest avoiding by making that corner piece that can compress without shattering. Kinda like having a helmet on where your scull is resting against foam. It absorbs the impact so your brains/speaker cabinets don't succumb to all three impacts. Because the shippers WILL NOT CARE what's inside the box. Just get-er-done. Kinda like an NFL tackler.
post #47356 of 51519
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

Did you try the Audyssey Bypass L/R Mode? This bypasses Audyssey on your 2.2is, but not your sub. You will notice more bass in this mode.
4311 is quite sufficient to power the 2.4i.There is no need for external amplification if power is the only concern.
If an amp can help bring the mids forward, that would be the only reason to use one.

I will have to try the Audyssey Bypass L/R Mode -- as I did not know / have not tried it. Is it done via pressing the Audyssey button on the remote to toggle it?

Good to know that, if it does come to it, the 4311 will be able to handle the 2.4's or something similar. smile.gif
post #47357 of 51519
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Originally Posted by johnb4467 View Post

Is it done via pressing the Audyssey button on the remote to toggle it?
Yes. You can toggle between xt32, byp l/r, flat and manual.
post #47358 of 51519
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Originally Posted by johnb4467 View Post

I will have to try the Audyssey Bypass L/R Mode -- as I did not know / have not tried it. Is it done via pressing the Audyssey button on the remote to toggle it?

Good to know that, if it does come to it, the 4311 will be able to handle the 2.4's or something similar. smile.gif

John, I checked out your ad for the v2.2i your selling. Thats a great price with stands included.
post #47359 of 51519
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

Yes. You can toggle between xt32, byp l/r, flat and manual.

Thank you, I will likely be trying this out soon. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

John, I checked out your ad for the v2.2i your selling. Thats a great price with stands included.

Yeah...if I sell them, I'm honestly not trying to make any money whatsoever on them -- it'd literally be what I bought them for a number of months ago. I'd like to see them go to a good home [if I part with them], and then use that money towards the towers.
If I can get the 2.2i's working the way I want though...I'll just stick with them; they look quite nice with the stands, and sound excellent for everything -- and have less drivers to worry about. wink.gif
post #47360 of 51519
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

hello guys i have a friend selling all of his RC speakers, all used speakers with 20hrs are in mint condition. Preferably Local Pick up in NY area, he is also willing to ship it, but buyer will pay the shipping cost.

only if serious buyer, about buying everything.
he want $2500 for everything. No negotiations.

2 RC-70 Brand New in Box
2 RC-50 Brand New in Box
2 RC-50 20 hours
2 RC-R 20 hours
1 LCR - 20 hours
1 subwoofer

Uhhh,..... does he need to make bail or something?
post #47361 of 51519
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

Uhhh,..... does he need to make bail or something?
Lol no.he doesnt have space where he lives now for allof tthem.i just bought one of his lcr.that is why my v5.2c was already posted at the classified ads.
post #47362 of 51519
UPDATED.

hello guys i have a friend selling all of his RC speakers,all in black colors. all used speakers with 20hrs are in mint condition. Preferably Local Pick up in NY area, he is also willing to ship it, but buyer will pay the shipping cost.

only if serious buyer, about buying everything.
he want $2800 for everything. No negotiations.

2 RC-70 Brand New in Box
2 RC-50 20 hours
2 RC-R 20 hours
2 RC-10 Brand New in Box
1 LCR - 20 hours
1 BIC Acoustech PL-200 12" 1000 Watt Powered Subwoofer
1 Onkyo TX-NR808
post #47363 of 51519
what subwoofer is he selling?
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Originally Posted by Mikullla View Post

what subwoofer is he selling?
1 BIC Acoustech PL-200 12" 1000 Watt Powered Subwoofer
post #47365 of 51519
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

Lol no.he doesnt have space where he lives now for allof tthem.i just bought one of his lcr.that is why my v5.2c was already posted at the classified ads.

How do yoy like the introduction of the rclcr with your rc-70's. Thats a great sysrem you made.smile.gif
post #47366 of 51519
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

How do yoy like the introduction of the rclcr with your rc-70's. Thats a great sysrem you made.smile.gif
Don't have it yet. I'll be getting it Tom night.
post #47367 of 51519
Will he split the speakers? It would be a lot easier to sell if he will. It's going to be a lot harder to find ONE person who wants ALL of those items. The smaller items (RC-LCR and RC-R for example) are more easily shipped and I'm sure will sell quickly.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Will he split the speakers? It would be a lot easier to sell if he will. It's going to be a lot harder to find ONE person who wants ALL of those items. The smaller items (RC-LCR and RC-R for example) are more easily shipped and I'm sure will sell quickly.
Al lot of people ask him already regarding of his speakers including me to buy it individually but no luck. He really wants to unload everything for just one shot for all of them.
post #47369 of 51519
Well, I've been up for hours listening, looking through the Denon 4311 menus, and reading / researching Audyssey XT32 info -- seeing if I can get the bass in 2.1 sounding in the 'direction' I'm hoping to get it.
First thing I tried was to set Audyssey to "L/R Bypass", as enthusiast8 had made me aware of this setting. This, for whatever reason I cannot fathom, still had it sounding like the bass was being cut off from the 2.2i's (as opposed to 'direct' or 'pure direct'). I was hoping for it to have the 2.2i's playing full-stream, with the sub just filling in the lowest frequencies. I also tried the "LFE + Main", and I still can't help but think that there's less bass output than with 'direct' or 'pure direct'. The only thing I can think of beyond these settings is the crossover, which I currently have been trying between 80 and 60hz.
My sub, in Audyssey, it set to -3.5 ... so I should be well within its range.

Either I'm still missing something after all my reading / setups / attempts ... or I just really like 'inaccurate' sound...???
I did note, however, that after doing some reading ... maybe I need to toggle some 'dynamic eq' and 'dynamic vol' settings -- particularly dynamic eq. However, this sounds to be very inconsistent with music material, which is what I'm mainly referring to here -- sounds like I need to continually mess with a 'ref offset' somewhere else, depending on what I'm listening to at any given time.

Mainly the 'issue' (not that it's horrible!) is that if I'm running in 'direct' or 'pure direct', things sound wonderful in stereo -- but the 2.2i's do have limitations in how deep they can dig. When I switch over to 'Stereo' (2.1ch), or even PLII (7.1), the bass almost instantly disappears...compared to when just the 2.2i's are playing the material.

I'm at a bit of a loss.
I've dug through the Audyssey FAQ & page (well...not all 700+ pages, but searched for similar bass 'issues'). I suppose I could post over there as well, but it seems like I've followed most of the suggestions in the thread.
Anybody else on here have the 2.2i's w/ XT 32 & can report their findings, by chance? smile.gif

EDIT: I took pictures of Audyssey's 'curves' for my xt32 -- if I post them, would that possibly be of help? It looks like it is adjusting the bass in some ways in the general region that I think I'm feeling them 'lacking' -- though I'd think that'd 'go away' if I had the "bypass L/R" engaged.
So confused. :-/
post #47370 of 51519
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Originally Posted by johnb4467 View Post

Well, I've been up for hours listening, looking through the Denon 4311 menus, and reading / researching Audyssey XT32 info -- seeing if I can get the bass in 2.1 sounding in the 'direction' I'm hoping to get it.
First thing I tried was to set Audyssey to "L/R Bypass", as enthusiast8 had made me aware of this setting. This, for whatever reason I cannot fathom, still had it sounding like the bass was being cut off from the 2.2i's (as opposed to 'direct' or 'pure direct'). I was hoping for it to have the 2.2i's playing full-stream, with the sub just filling in the lowest frequencies. I also tried the "LFE + Main", and I still can't help but think that there's less bass output than with 'direct' or 'pure direct'. The only thing I can think of beyond these settings is the crossover, which I currently have been trying between 80 and 60hz.
My sub, in Audyssey, it set to -3.5 ... so I should be well within its range.

Either I'm still missing something after all my reading / setups / attempts ... or I just really like 'inaccurate' sound...???
I did note, however, that after doing some reading ... maybe I need to toggle some 'dynamic eq' and 'dynamic vol' settings -- particularly dynamic eq. However, this sounds to be very inconsistent with music material, which is what I'm mainly referring to here -- sounds like I need to continually mess with a 'ref offset' somewhere else, depending on what I'm listening to at any given time.

Mainly the 'issue' (not that it's horrible!) is that if I'm running in 'direct' or 'pure direct', things sound wonderful in stereo -- but the 2.2i's do have limitations in how deep they can dig. When I switch over to 'Stereo' (2.1ch), or even PLII (7.1), the bass almost instantly disappears...compared to when just the 2.2i's are playing the material.

I'm at a bit of a loss.
I've dug through the Audyssey FAQ & page (well...not all 700+ pages, but searched for similar bass 'issues'). I suppose I could post over there as well, but it seems like I've followed most of the suggestions in the thread.
Anybody else on here have the 2.2i's w/ XT 32 & can report their findings, by chance? smile.gif

EDIT: I took pictures of Audyssey's 'curves' for my xt32 -- if I post them, would that possibly be of help? It looks like it is adjusting the bass in some ways in the general region that I think I'm feeling them 'lacking' -- though I'd think that'd 'go away' if I had the "bypass L/R" engaged.
So confused. :-/

I have been looking around for an xt32 receiver for a while and some have reported similar findings - in the Onkyo 818 thread some thought it could be a bad audyssey mic. Not sure if that was actually the cause but something that was mentioned - lack of bass after calibration. I bet you would get quite a few responses if you started a thread regarding xt32 and lack of bass or something similar.
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