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post #47521 of 51522
I am new to this thread. Someone locally is selling a pair of V2.3HB-1 for $400. The speakers were in window sunlight and the plastic covering the sides is coming off. Since I read about freezing woofers and the cosmetic issue, are they still worth buying? He mentioned that he bought them about 9 years ago, built a house 7 years ago and they were sitting in his family room, but never were hooked up. He isn't into sound systems anymore, more into hot rods and harleys.
post #47522 of 51522
I would give them a listen, you can always pick up a spare woofer.
post #47523 of 51522
i would say yes too, dont be afraid to negotiate more off,

option 1: keep and restore cabinets if you are handy, seek replacement for damaged components.

option 2, test drivers, sell off excess, and make a custom home-made center channel with the correct voice matched tweeter / midrange. That would be something if you knew what you were doing or familiar with DYI speakers. and still seek fully functional / acceptable pair of 2.3is
post #47524 of 51522
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

What im looking for is an avr that has really good 2 channel as well. This SC-25 is nice but have heard people say the VSX-94 has different
sound that some people prefer over the class D amp. What Denon would you recommend I research?

Well i'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination so maybe you'd better be served over in the receivers forum but just look for one with all the options you need, your budget and go from there. Most different brands have a certain sound signature so really concentrate on finding one that you like best and go from there based on the options/budget.

I'm a fan of my Denon 990 so I wouldn't hesitate to go with one of the newer ones along that line. Translates to the 33xx series 3313CI I believe is the most current one. I find that it has no shortage of power, I really like the fact that you can select custom 2 channel settings (I have mine set so that the fronts go to 'Large' and subwoofer 'Off' since I prefer that when listening to music). The step up in power from the 890 to 990 was from 105w/ch to 125w/ch so that was also fairly substantial on paper (I say on paper because I had an 890 previously and to be honest, I never really pushed either to the point where I could feel the extra power so if you go with the 2313CI (current version of the 890 based on specs), unless you're listening really loud, that should be sufficient as well). Lots of people really like/recommend the Denon 33xx series as it's really feature packed, easy to setup, reliable and sounds great.

A few other advantages of my Denons over my Pioneer are the programming for my Harmony. The Pioneer was a pain to setup properly whereas the Denon was simple. Even in tuning - Audyssey is really just plug and play - everything sounded great right away. With my Pioneer I had to tweak MCACC for a while to get it to my liking with the RC70's.
post #47525 of 51522
Thanks Rastaman. I like the sc-25 140 watts, nice detailed sound but just not as much kick as my old little amp, the amp plays louder as well. 105 watts. I will check the denon stuff out and see if thats the direction I need to be going. Just want to find an AVR thats as good a my old amp.
Edited by baron2 - 5/12/13 at 7:33am
post #47526 of 51522
[IMG][IMG] wow I think I found a good deal on Craigslist. I'm not sure which model this is. Any help?
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post #47528 of 51522
Hello Tang7969...
Those are V2.3. The sides would need to be redone since the plastic is mostly off or you can see where the glue underneath is still sticking. Otherwise they look nice.
post #47529 of 51522
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Originally Posted by Fears4Ears View Post

I'll bet John will sell his 2.2's now if we keep reporting how happy we are. I got my V2.0C yesterday and have been moving around everything to set up my new speakers.

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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Hey John if your out there you better hurry and pick up that pair of V2.4i

Hahaha, oh man...you guys had me literally laughing ALOUD -- this forum is SO dangerous in the money department & with the "encouragement" that goes on here. wink.gifwink.gif
If I found a really good deal on, say 2.4i or 2.3i, I would of course consider it. But...I've already had friends laugh and say, "Hey man...I think they have a show on you -- it's called 'hoarders'!" when they saw all the speakers I have on the premises ... a number of which not even in use!
Before I ever consider anymore future purchases, I really need to figure out what to do with what I have already: selling (and getting them sold), gifting, etc. wink.gif

Baron, btw...glad that you are thoroughly enjoying your 2.3i's! Get some pics up when you have time. I'll also love to hear more of your impressions. smile.gif

It's funny because I do have quite a bit to report, as I've been taking a lot of the advice I got a week or so ago from batpig & some other members at working to get the 'preference' sound I prefer from music with the 2.2i / s12.3 combo.
I literally printed out batpig's post regarding the "things to try" list with Audyssey, etc in regards to being able to tweak the bass to my liking for 2ch music. Overall I'd say I'm very happy with the results, but there are still a caveat or two that I'd love some advice on.
I'll try and recap the issues -- and now solutions -- below:

So I love my 2.2i's. More than I ever wanted to spend, but have been very much worth it. Not being towers though, with some music I have felt like they can't dig quite deep enough as my preference for music would like. Audyssey has done a splendid job of blending the speakers (7.1) for HT, but [especially as I have come to find in the last few days], I am definitely a 'bass head' when it comes to music -- it may not be 'accurate' or 'flat'...but even after giving Audyssey a while to grow on me, it's what I prefer for music.

So, here's the steps I took, and results than came about:
Dynamic EQ was off initially -- this was put to 'on'. I didn't notice a huge difference in getting the bass to where I wanted, but as explained to me...it will correctly keep the bass / treble regions "in sync" (so to speak) with the mids when I start tweaking the volume.
I tried the Audyssey "bypass L/R" setting, as I did like the bass...in many cases...with "direct" / "pure direct" better than audyssey's 'blended' 2.1ch solution. This didn't really get me where I wanted, though...so I went back to "XT 32" and continued tweaking.
The single-biggest difference was the mentioning (and my having not known about) about a 'custom' setting for 2 / 2.1ch listening ... but that also would not mess with the 'correct' Audyssey settings for PLII / 5.1+ on up. In that setting, as batpig mentioned, you can't adjust 'bass' per se, but you can lower the L/R db output, so as to make it seem like the bass is more pronounced (as it's staying the same, whereas the L/R are getting "quieter"). This is where I really realized how big of a bass head I am...as I adjusted the setting from +3db on the L/R, all the way down to -3db. So -- I pretty much like my sub +6db "hot" on music!!!
But, that wasn't the end! :O
I messed around with the crossover for the L/R, and found that I liked the sound more at 80hz than at 60hz -- so with more being sent to the sub.
I was "almost" there...but then I found that...you know -- I was missing the bass from the 2.2i's. So, I set the option to "LFE + Main" (I think it is called) -- effectively giving me "double bass" in certain bass regions.
So, I COMPLETELY destroyed what would be considered "accurate" or "flat" playback for 2ch listening -- but I am finally fully content with 2.1ch playback now. Actually, extra happy now -- as now I know how to 'tweak to taste' now, if I were to want to change things later one -- which is great to know!!
Would I have to worry about ANY of this if I had, say 2.3i's or or 2.4i's? Probably not. Which is something worth considering....

A few things I still have questions / concerns about, or noted in general:
1) When I switched from "Direct" (2.1 or 2ch listening) back to PLII -- I literally jumped out of my seat SCARED -- that "-6db" adjustment I had made to the front L/R in 2ch listening was now...with one button press...being undone in 7.1ch mode -- so ALL SIX CHANNELS kicked in at +6db louder!!! It scared the pants off of me, and I really wish I would have been unknowingly recording myself at the time, so as to see my shock / levitation off my seat!! :O :O
So, that's somewhat of an issue -- some material may just sound MUCH better on PLII (Tron: Legacy OST, for instance) -- I can now no longer "comfortably" toggle back and forth between 2.1ch "direct" and PLII without constant volume jockying.
2) Even if I do switch material that sounds better in PLII Music over to that mode...I am then back in the same situation I was before -- PLII mode does not get the 'bass boost' that I am now very much enjoying on 2.1ch "direct", and thus is lacking the bass adjustment I set out for [and got] in 2ch mode.
Is there any work around for this, perhaps?
3) I am still a bit sketchy on what "Reference Offset" does ... I'll check the Denon-to-English dictionary again before asking for a direct answer to this, though. I'm assuming it's just simply changing what it "0" reference.
4) I have had my Denon volume set to "absolute", so I was just seeing a 0-80 or so volume display. I changed that back, just to see what I'm listening at. I was actually pretty surprised...in some cases I was getting pretty darn close...or was AT "0" reference volume. But, this was with music (which isn't mixed the same as movies, right?) and also with the -6db 'custom' adjustment...so I can't tell how 'loud' I'm really listening at, actually. And now I just rambled aloud about that. wink.gif :O

So, I mostly wrote all of this because...at least from what I've seen...some other people have inquired as to Audyssey not "delivering the bass" in the way they were wanting. Overall, I think this fixed it for me...and should likely for those people as well -- which might be encouraging & "the difference" in deciding to jump up to a receiver like my Denon 4311 (or just Audyssey XT32 in general). Aside from the PLII mode dilemma, and 'maybe' wanting more bass in movies at times (what can I say...I do love my bass!!!) -- I think my 2.1ch woes are officially solved.

Again though...if I were to go temporarily insane again and, oh I don't know, say...purchase some 2.4i's or 2.3i's -- would I have to worry about any of this? Probably not, at least in 2ch listening, as the towers would be enough by themselves. Audyssey would still give me the same issues in PLII mode though, so my issue would still remain there.

Hope this is helpful to someone on here, and also...if anyone has more suggestions to my lingering issues, I'm all ears -- obviously I'm more than game to try out theories and suggestions!!! biggrin.gif 0:)

By the way, Happy Mother's Day to our forum's female audience..and girlfriends / fiancés / wives out there! Power of the WAF -- we SALUTE YOU!!! wink.gif
post #47530 of 51522
Good read John on the 4311 settings your now using.
Edited by baron2 - 5/12/13 at 2:35pm
post #47531 of 51522
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So, I COMPLETELY destroyed what would be considered "accurate" or "flat" playback for 2ch listening -- but I am finally fully content with 2.1ch playback now. Actually, extra happy now -- as now I know how to 'tweak to taste' now, if I were to want to change things later one -- which is great to know!!

Very nice post sir. I don't own Energy speakers (almost kept a pair of RC10 though - i liked the conversations on this forum so I lurk periodically), but I did the same bit of tweaking that you have done (I still tweak, damn it!), with very close to the same settings and findings. I'm not sure why we might like Audyssey with largely recommended settings for movies and less so for 2 channel music, and I've even struggled with it because I'm "supposed to" keep room correction as it was recommended, but it just sounds better to me.

By the way, you know how to tweak to taste, the fun part is remembering where the wealth of settings are in the 4311 menu. tongue.gif
post #47532 of 51522
I thought the easiest way was to just bump up the sub channel level on a 4311. I might play around with the types of settings you mentioned.

But yeah usually if I want more bass I just hit 'channel level' and then bump up 'subwoofer' a db or few. Maybe that's not the best way? Have you compared that route John?
post #47533 of 51522
Does anyone have any experience with the cf-30 Energy towers? I'm thinking of adding them to my system until I can afford better quality/more expensive speakers and was just wondering if they were worth purchasing.
post #47534 of 51522
With all the Energy Speaker signs talk and pics lately, I got to thinking it would be nice to just have a oil painting of just the logo for s***s and giggles. Not sure how easy it would be to make, regarding supplies, but I can't imagine the detail would have to be all that great. Just kind of fill in the lines I would think. Like paint by number, lol.

I'm thinking something like these logos...


post #47535 of 51522
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Very nice post sir. I don't own Energy speakers (almost kept a pair of RC10 though - i liked the conversations on this forum so I lurk periodically), but I did the same bit of tweaking that you have done (I still tweak, damn it!), with very close to the same settings and findings. I'm not sure why we might like Audyssey with largely recommended settings for movies and less so for 2 channel music, and I've even struggled with it because I'm "supposed to" keep room correction as it was recommended, but it just sounds better to me.

By the way, you know how to tweak to taste, the fun part is remembering where the wealth of settings are in the 4311 menu. tongue.gif

Glad to hear I'm not the only one...and yes, lol -- remembering 'where they are' in the menus will be the tricky part. I have batpigs post saved in a text file for future reference though, so hopefully that will 'aid me' in the process. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

I thought the easiest way was to just bump up the sub channel level on a 4311. I might play around with the types of settings you mentioned.

But yeah usually if I want more bass I just hit 'channel level' and then bump up 'subwoofer' a db or few. Maybe that's not the best way? Have you compared that route John?

To be honest, I have not. And yes, lol...that would see the more 'straight forward' route. Maybe someone can clarify why-or-why-not that would be the way to do it? To an extent though, the area that batpig directed me towards let me adjust much more than just how strong the sub signal was, but also where the increase took place, and even if I wanted to 'double up' a bit in those areas.
Again, I'm just mostly following directions at this point -- not a master-blaster in actually fully knowing what's going on to where I can actually advise. wink.gif
post #47536 of 51522
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Originally Posted by mlupia92 View Post

Does anyone have any experience with the cf-30 Energy towers? I'm thinking of adding them to my system until I can afford better quality/more expensive speakers and was just wondering if they were worth purchasing.

I have owned them before. To me it would depend how much you could get them for. PM me if you'd like.
post #47537 of 51522
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Originally Posted by johnb4467 View Post

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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

I thought the easiest way was to just bump up the sub channel level on a 4311. I might play around with the types of settings you mentioned.

But yeah usually if I want more bass I just hit 'channel level' and then bump up 'subwoofer' a db or few. Maybe that's not the best way? Have you compared that route John?

To be honest, I have not. And yes, lol...that would see the more 'straight forward' route. Maybe someone can clarify why-or-why-not that would be the way to do it?

The reason for the specific suggestion I made was because it impacted the 2ch modes independently of the multich modes. The point was to allow you a way to tweak the bass to taste without messing up the reference balance for multich movie playback (which I assume is just fine). If you want to bump up the bass globally (for all sources) then I would start with the channel level, maybe add a few dB to the sub channel. But then you can use that custom menu to allow the 2ch and multich settings to diverge.

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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

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So, I COMPLETELY destroyed what would be considered "accurate" or "flat" playback for 2ch listening -- but I am finally fully content with 2.1ch playback now. Actually, extra happy now -- as now I know how to 'tweak to taste' now, if I were to want to change things later one -- which is great to know!!

Very nice post sir. I don't own Energy speakers (almost kept a pair of RC10 though - i liked the conversations on this forum so I lurk periodically), but I did the same bit of tweaking that you have done (I still tweak, damn it!), with very close to the same settings and findings. I'm not sure why we might like Audyssey with largely recommended settings for movies and less so for 2 channel music, and I've even struggled with it because I'm "supposed to" keep room correction as it was recommended, but it just sounds better to me.

Remember that music is NOT recorded to any specific reference standard, so it's not totally accurate to say that if you tweak the Audyssey results you are no longer "accurate". It's really impossible to say what is "accurate" with music playback because of the wide variances in recording standards and techniques.

Also remember that Audyssey is multiple levels of correction. What you guys are talking about is adjusting tonal balance, e.g. running the bass a little hot. That has more to do with Dynamic EQ and its loudness contouring. You should still (theoretically) want to employ the room correction of the MultEQ filters, even if you don't use the tonal balance adjustment of Dynamic EQ. It's important to separate the "layers" as they do different things.
post #47538 of 51522
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

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Originally Posted by mlupia92 View Post

Does anyone have any experience with the cf-30 Energy towers? I'm thinking of adding them to my system until I can afford better quality/more expensive speakers and was just wondering if they were worth purchasing.

I have owned them before. To me it would depend how much you could get them for. PM me if you'd like.

Agreed, the question of "if they were worth purchasing" is completely dependent upon how much money you are spending!!
post #47539 of 51522
I just replaced my Yamaha v863 AVR with a Pioneer Elite SC-67 and my Veritas speakers seem a bit warmer and cleaner. I still haven't had a chance to tweak much but this appears to be a good AVR for the newer Veritas speakers
post #47540 of 51522
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Remember that music is NOT recorded to any specific reference standard, so it's not totally accurate to say that if you tweak the Audyssey results you are no longer "accurate". It's really impossible to say what is "accurate" with music playback because of the wide variances in recording standards and techniques.

Also remember that Audyssey is multiple levels of correction. What you guys are talking about is adjusting tonal balance, e.g. running the bass a little hot. That has more to do with Dynamic EQ and its loudness contouring. You should still (theoretically) want to employ the room correction of the MultEQ filters, even if you don't use the tonal balance adjustment of Dynamic EQ. It's important to separate the "layers" as they do different things.

Oh boy do I understand this first statement. Going from my wife's metal collection to my classical, even alternative and indie there are no adjustments yet known to man in addressing either accuracy or quality. The focus of my adjustments, and [previous] reluctance to do so was based purely on room interaction. It's a compromise.
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

I thought the easiest way was to just bump up the sub channel level on a 4311. I might play around with the types of settings you mentioned.

But yeah usually if I want more bass I just hit 'channel level' and then bump up 'subwoofer' a db or few. Maybe that's not the best way? Have you compared that route John?

There is a fine line between this and maintaining seamless integration between mains and sub, this is where Batpig's second statement quoted above comes in. Usually when you cross that line by simply tweaking levels it's apparent where that integration falls off, sometimes not. Combining the best of both is quite the learning experience, accompanied by great value and satisfaction.
post #47541 of 51522
This was recently posted on Energy's Facebook page:
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Energy Speakers Can't reveal too much, but we do have some very nice towers in the pipeline.
Like · May 8 at 11:20am

???

The initial post was made on May 3 regarding a photo they posted which illustrated their new display at Energy headquarters. You can view the statement by clicking the link that says 'View 3 more comments'.
Edited by erhurd - 5/13/13 at 10:31am
post #47542 of 51522
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Originally Posted by t3watts3 View Post

I just replaced my Yamaha v863 AVR with a Pioneer Elite SC-67 and my Veritas speakers seem a bit warmer and cleaner. I still haven't had a chance to tweak much but this appears to be a good AVR for the newer Veritas speakers

I had sort of the same experiance as you. I found my RC-70's sounded better running them on my Yamaha RX-V 659 compared to running them
on either my Pioneer VX-03TXH or my Pioneer VSX-33. With that said I liked the Veritas V6.2's better on both my Pioneers than I did on my Yamaha.
post #47543 of 51522
Couldn't figure out how to post in the classifieds on my phone so figured I'd post here...I am currently selling my two energy s10.3 subs and a pair of CB-5s. Everything is in great working order. Only issue with the subs is the all-too-common burnout of the blue light on the front. Other than that they operate like new.

I'm in Dallas/Fort Worth and looking to sell local only. Also willing to split the items and sell individually (except the cb-5s only as a pair).





$125 each for the subs and $80 for the cb-5s. If u find my CL ads you'll notice I priced em a little higher since everyone on CL low balls.

PM me if interested. Thx!
post #47544 of 51522
Great price on those S10.3's! Somebody in Texas should be a happy camper smile.gif
post #47545 of 51522
$125 for s10.3 is an outstanding deal. You should not have problems finding a buyer.
post #47546 of 51522
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Great price on those S10.3's! Somebody in Texas should be a happy camper smile.gif

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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

$125 for s10.3 is an outstanding deal. You should not have problems finding a buyer.

That is a great deal. I just picked up a pair locally for $165 each in PA. Haven't been able to try them out but will be back in town next week to give them a full run through. Can't wait!
post #47547 of 51522
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

$125 for s10.3 is an outstanding deal. You should not have problems finding a buyer.

That's the goal...looking to move these quickly to put toward the "new sub fund".
post #47548 of 51522
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Originally Posted by JuEv0splash View Post

Couldn't figure out how to post in the classifieds on my phone so figured I'd post here...I am currently selling my two energy s10.3 subs and a pair of CB-5s. Everything is in great working order. Only issue with the subs is the all-too-common burnout of the blue light on the front. Other than that they operate like new.

I'm in Dallas/Fort Worth and looking to sell local only. Also willing to split the items and sell individually (except the cb-5s only as a pair).





$125 each for the subs and $80 for the cb-5s. If u find my CL ads you'll notice I priced em a little higher since everyone on CL low balls.

PM me if interested. Thx!

I just picked one up, but if I lived in Dallas, I'd definitely buy another. Someone is going to get a great deal.
post #47549 of 51522
I just have a quick warranty quenstion if anyone knows. I purchased a pair of RC-70's from Future Shop in January of this year. The mid and tweeter stopped working on one speaker. Is there any warranty to help me out?
post #47550 of 51522
Be sure to double check that your shorting straps are good and snug on your speaker wire binding posts.....
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