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Originally Posted by Fears4Ears View Post

Next step for me is finding the best SACD and DVD-Audio, and of course BD's, to get the max out of the system. I also just got another turntable and I keep finding awesome deals on vinyl in antique stores. Just found another brand new Rickie Lee Jones and some Tchaikovsky and Ravel. I ordered the Beatles "Love" DVD-A last night and I'm looking for another Blue Man Group, since I just can't get enough of all that massive percusion coming at me from all sides.

Try picking one of those up. It may convince you to put your larger speakers as surrounds.

If the receiver crossover it set to send the lower frequencies to the sub, would there even be a difference between the C-6 and C-8, relatively speaking? Or are you running them full-range?

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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

John, those C-8's are really nice looking. Glad to hear you dialed in a sound that you like with the V2.2i using a sub to go along with them.
The V2.3i by themselves for me have just the right amount of bottom end for my taste. At this time I am using the V2.2i along with the V2.0Ci
for our main TV watching area upstairs. I really like that 3 channel setup for sound and using the V2.3i downstairs pulling 2 channel duty.

Yeah, I think I would indeed love having the 2.3's or 2.4's -- and wouldn't need the sub if I did; the 2.2's in a lot of cases go pretty darn low already (in some instances I'll still switch them over to 'direct' / 'pure direct'). If I ever find a 'must have' deal for them, I may swoop. At this point I'm willing to be patient, even permanently...the urge for an upgrade seems to be satisfied. wink.gif
Thank you, and I would have to agree -- the C-8's really are my favorite finish on any of the speakers I own! They fit in beautifully with the decor in home home, too. I still contemplate using them in one of the two rooms, but with the APS 5+2's (and no sub otherwise) in the back room, and the 2.2i's in the main room...they just don't "have a spot" right now. :-/

That's interesting that you're running a 3-channel setup in the main room, and then the 2.3's by themselves for your own heavy 2-channel listening! Makes perfect sense though, since everyone gets to enjoy the high-quality 3ch setup, and then you can rock out to the 2ch setup whenever you want to "get serious", lol. smile.gif
post #48062 of 51531
I'm really not through setting up all my speakers, and to be honest, I'm using my RC-10's as surrounds right now. In your case, I'm a bit surprised that you're running yours as "double-bass' with the full signal to your fronts. I'm sure they can handle it, and I'm sure you've experimented. I just think it may open up the midrange more if you were to let the sub handle the lows. The V2.2's really are a small cabinet to be expected to put out much bass. Having said that, the RC-10's are doing great in DST Multi-Channel Direct so maybe in your room they are capable of hitting the low notes. I just remember the first day I got the RC-10's and put DSOTM on. Those thump thumps at the beginning had me thinking for sure I had damaged them!

As far as your surrounds: Like I said, get a copy of Blue Man Group - Audio in DVD-Audio format and push THAT through all your speakers in Multi-Channel Direct! It will REALLY push those surrounds to the limit! if you don't have a player, I got an OPPO DVD player from eBay ($100) because I wanted to experience the DVD-Audio disks. It also plays SACD's (which my Sony BD players do) and it does a real good job cleaning up DVD's via HDMI.
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mlupia92:

Let me be the first to point out that you need to pull the Center forward so it clears the stand. Otherwise, you can introduce unwanted reflections. Also, you might wanna go to the hardware store for some "Door Stoppers" (rubber wedges) to lift the front up a bit so it points at you more. Just some fine tuning. As far as toeing in your speakers...I've found that if you lean forward and back a bit to find the best sound, and then point the fronts to where you get that same angle/sound in your seated position, it's a lot easier than getting up and pointing and sitting and repeating. Just make sure that it still sounds good for the people sitting next to you (or not, if they're the kind that wouldn't notice, or you're not trying to impress them anyway).

Also, you may wanna forget about the HDMI cables and think about upgrading that sub. (OOPS, did I go too far)?

I dunno, maybe you knew this already, but the first picture definitely looks like it needs some tweaking. Otherwise, looks good. Enjoy!
post #48064 of 51531
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Originally Posted by mlupia92 View Post

Finally bought my new receiver and am now finished with my first 5.1 Home Theater setup. Pics if anyone cares to see, I think its a pretty clean setup, but feel free to let me know what I could do better?
Spread your mains away from your TV as far as you can. Toe them in (aim them at the center of the listening position, or at least in that direction depending on how many people would be sitting across the LP)
Do the same with you center, but "toe-in" is left-right, so for a center we don't use that term. You tilt it, either up or down (usually up since most people have the center in a low position).
Some basic room treatments: Area rug, etc, to tone down reflections on that hardwood. Similar things for walls.
Nice little setup there. Time to enjoy, that is for sure!!
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Decided to hook up my new/old toy Yamaha RX-Z9 to my RC-70's for some 2 channel stereo,, sounded good but not great. Then hooked up
the V2.2i. They didnt have the bottom end of the RC-70's ( but had enough) but they sounded so much more detailed. I think I will try the 2 -S12.3 subs with the V2.2i and see how that sounds it can play left /right stereo subwoofers. Will also try the V2.3i on their own with the Yamaha and see how that sounds. Even though this former flagship Yamaha is old now, it puts ou some tjuice. I put the dam thing on a cabinet with wheels since its not very light, 66 pounds.
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

Spread your mains away from your TV as far as you can. Toe them in (aim them at the center of the listening position, or at least in that direction depending on how many people would be sitting across the LP)
Do the same with you center, but "toe-in" is left-right, so for a center we don't use that term. You tilt it, either up or down (usually up since most people have the center in a low position).
Some basic room treatments: Area rug, etc, to tone down reflections on that hardwood. Similar things for walls.
Nice little setup there. Time to enjoy, that is for sure!!

Agreed with all of that.

Also, take the Audioquest HDMI cables back and get a refund. Then don't waste any more money on Audioquest products or expensive HDMI cables. HDMI cables can be bought at Monoprice for well under $10 each. They are just as good as the Audioquest cables.
Edited by beaveav - 6/12/13 at 5:11pm
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I have a pair of RC-R's and a RCLCR for sale. PM me for details if interested
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Appreciate all the advice guys,definitely going to do some fine tuning. This is a setup for my bedroom, so i'm going to spread out the towers, but i'm limited in space. I have a lot of tuning to do with the tv picture, I literally have put all my focus and money into the audio at this point ($400 for the tv and $1,000+ in audio). On another note, I get the audioquest cables through the Audioquest ASAP accommodation program, so I pay next to nothing for them, also I only got them for the enhanced audio quality (yes I can hear a difference). I have tried the monoprice cables and they are great for the price, but they lack a little on the audio end. Anyway's i'm happy with the way everything sounds so far, still might replace my rear surrounds later down the road when I have more money. My motion 4's sound nice, but they would be better served for 2ch. stereo on a second zone I think.

Any suggestions for rear surrounds, that would match up well with what I have? When I have more money. tongue.gif
post #48069 of 51531
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Originally Posted by Fears4Ears View Post

In your case, I'm a bit surprised that you're running yours as "double-bass' with the full signal to your fronts. I'm sure they can handle it, and I'm sure you've experimented. I just think it may open up the midrange more if you were to let the sub handle the lows. The V2.2's really are a small cabinet to be expected to put out much bass.

As far as your surrounds: Like I said, get a copy of Blue Man Group - Audio in DVD-Audio format and push THAT through all your speakers in Multi-Channel Direct! It will REALLY push those surrounds to the limit!

You know, I was surprised too, to be honest -- I know the sub is better capable of handling the low frequencies...but I don't know if it is the frequency rolloff or something that the 2.2i's have with the bass material, but it does seem to sound much more desirable to me with them on "Full + LFE". I would actually prefer the sub just handling the lows, but something seems to get lost along the way if I do.

I will have to look into some DVD-Audio -- I honestly have not done much of that...at all...actually. I have some concerts in DTS (Queen, The Eagles, AC/DC, Led Zepplein, Pink Floyd, etc) -- but nothing pure DVD-Audio or SACD.
Out of curiosity...is it 'prefereable' to listen to that sort of material in multi-channel-direct, instead of sending the bass on that material to the sub? I'm just curious why that would be treated differently?
Edited by johnb4467 - 6/13/13 at 12:13am
post #48070 of 51531
I currently own a pair of Veritas V-6.2 and got a real deal from CL ad on V-6.3. Anyone knows if Veritas V-6.3 sounds noticeably better than the Veritas V-6.2 ? the V-6.3 has a dedicated midrange in a 3-way setup whereas V-6.2 is a 2.5 way. I am using V-5.2C for center and V-mini for the surrounds and powering it with a Denon 2312. Been quiet happy with the setup but if V-6.3 improves the sq by a notch I would like to jump on the boat. Also will the receiver power be enough or do I need an external amp ?

thanks in advance.
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John:

To be honest, at this point, I'm not sure if I'm getting "double-bass" sent to my surrounds. The lows are definitely being sent to the subs though. I haven't run Audyssey yet on my Denon 3808. I Just left it at what the previous owner's settings were for now. All I know for sure is -- I put on Blue Man Group's DVD-Audio again today and was listening and loving it. Then I hit the "Direct" option on the remote and got SLAMMED! You have to understand that this is a studio recording with instruments called "Drum Wall', "Baritone Guitar", "Backpack Tubulum", "Piano Smasher", "Doppler Toms", "Cymbalom", and Drumbone"! This isn't just ambiance being sent to the surrounds. This is expecting full-range speakers all around.

I just hate to see you get rid of the C-8's without hearing for your self how massive this can sound with capable speakers.

Man! My ears are STILL ringing 6 hours later!
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debjit_g:

Welcome to the forum!

I have no experience with that series of speakers. If they are anything like the RC series, then I would go ahead and grab them if they are a "great deal". They are the flagship of the series and any of the others are simply an effort to make a smaller or less expensive speaker. A subtractive effort from the top of the line V-6.3. The dedicated mid will give more punch to music that maybe you don't miss now but would appreciate when you hear it, and will free up the woofers to "woof". It also is the same size as the woofer in your center, so it may even match better.

Would you be selling the V-6.2's? They shouldn't be hard to sell. Or are you thinking about moving them to surround duty (see my previous post to see how I feel about that)? Your Denon should have ample power. Actually, the 6.3 is even just a hair easier to drive than the 6.2 and will go a bit lower. Seems like the only negative is the cash outlay. But then, ain't that always the catch?
Edited by Fears4Ears - 6/13/13 at 2:57am
post #48073 of 51531
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Originally Posted by Fears4Ears View Post

debjit_g:

Welcome to the forum!

I have no experience with that series of speakers. If they are anything like the RC series, then I would go ahead and grab them if they are a "great deal". They are the flagship of the series and any of the others are simply an effort to make a smaller or less expensive speaker. A subtractive effort from the top of the line V-6.3. The dedicated mid will give more punch to music that maybe you don't miss now but would appreciate when you hear it, and will free up the woofers to "woof". It also is the same size as the woofer in your center, so it may even match better.

Thanks. Yes, you are probably correct and I would even think so that the sound may be fuller with the added midrange. Would $1300/pair be a fair price ?
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Would you be selling the V-6.2's? They shouldn't be hard to sell. Or are you thinking about moving them to surround duty (see my previous post to see how I feel about that)?
Haven't though about it yet but (as you say) they are serve pretty good surround but not sure if that would be overdoing things.
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Your Denon should have ample power. Actually, the 6.3 is even just a hair easier to drive than the 6.2 and will go a bit lower. Seems like the only negative is the cash outlay. But then, ain't that always the catch?

Absolutely. nothing w/o cash smile.gif
post #48074 of 51531
Sorry, but that ain't a "great price".
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You can get a band new pair shipped from an authorized dealer on eBay for 1600, minus eBay bucks, credit card cash back and/or PayPal bonuses. So yeah, not really a great deal.
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Alright. But just curious what would be a fair deal ? $1000 or less ?
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If they were less than a year old, perfect condition, never abused, and came with an authorized dealer invoice you can use for warranty, then I would still consider 1300 fair, just not a great deal. Same scenario at 1000 would be a great deal IMO. If there are any cosmetic problems or no warranty, I would be looking at 1k or less.

This is all considering the current availability of those speakers, and that you already decided those are the speakers for you.

I don't recall the exact Closeout price on the 6.3's, but I think at one time you could have had a new pair for 1200.
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Alright first movie I watched on my setup was Drive. Looked okay and sounded alright. Will it make much of a difference if I switch the gauge speaker wire I am using? I'm thinking of ordering 12 awg off monoprice, but if spending $30 bucks isn't going to help much i'm not going to bother. On another not I am definitely going to change my banana plugs out and get these.

http://sewelldirect.com/Sewell-Harpoon-Locking-Banana-Plugs-8-pair-.asp
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Recently bought a pair of Energy 22 Reference Connoisseur speakers. Don't know what I was thinking but thought the price was right and it was a local pickup so could not resist. Picking them up tomorrow.

Here is the specs:

Bass reflex with rear port
Two way mirror-imaged speaker pair
Speakers matched 1/8 dB Left and Right
Tweeter: 1-1/2 inch Dual Hyperdome tweeter for excellent dispersion, low resonance and high speed definition
Woofer: 7 inch Polypropylene cone woofer with unique PVC stitched suspension
Frequency Response: 25Hz to 45kHz, +/- 2dB on axis; 25Hz to 20kHz, +/- 1-1/2dB at 30 degrees off axis
Crossover: 18dB per octave slope at 1.5kHz
Sensitivity: 86dB SPL/W/M
Impedance: 8 ohms nominal
Recommended Amplifier Power: 20 watts minimum - 200 watts maximum
Dimensions: 35-3/8" high x 11" wide x 14" deep
Weight: Approx. 80 pounds each



Searching on the net, it says they are from 1980s, highly regarded, could face problems with tweeter due to age (ready to take the risk considering what I paid for them (250 USD))

Thought of asking the experts here.

1. How good are these speakers? (Seller says they are on their original tweeters and sound great)
2. I have a Denon AVR-590 (75 wpc). Would that be sufficient to drive them for a 2 channel setup? (I guess not. Would appreciate any suggestions for a cheap amplifier)

If not anything, at least a fun few days ahead setting them up and experimenting

I do own RC-70s. Don't know if can even compare to those.
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Those are the original "flagship" Energy speaker -- nice find!! $250 is an insane steal of a price! Obviously the tweeter failure is a risk long term but for that price it's waaay worth it.

They are somewhat of a legend as they are quite rare. They use the same driver technology as the lower level "Pro 22" but (as you know) have the real wood cabinetry with integrated stands and I think upgraded bracing and crossovers.

Hank has a pair and has posted extensively comparing them to the later Veritas and RC's, you should try to do a search and you will find his thoughts.

In terms of amplification.... these are older speakers and have a lower sensitivity than a lot of modern designs. The AVR 590 will probably drive them OK to moderate volumes but if you want to turn them into a dedicated 2ch setup I'd definitely look into a nicer, higher current integrated amp or something. You can probably find something decent used for cheap (e.g. a recent NAD, Marantz, Rotel, etc. integrated or some older stereo unit) that will make them sing.
post #48081 of 51531
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Originally Posted by mlupia92 View Post

Alright first movie I watched on my setup was Drive. Looked okay and sounded alright. Will it make much of a difference if I switch the gauge speaker wire I am using? I'm thinking of ordering 12 awg off monoprice, but if spending $30 bucks isn't going to help much i'm not going to bother. On another not I am definitely going to change my banana plugs out and get these.

http://sewelldirect.com/Sewell-Harpoon-Locking-Banana-Plugs-8-pair-.asp

Increasing wire gauge won't improve sound quality unless you are overextending your current cables. You can refer to this chart: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire.htm#wiretable
post #48082 of 51531
Welcome back batpig
post #48083 of 51531
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Those are the original "flagship" Energy speaker -- nice find!! $250 is an insane steal of a price! Obviously the tweeter failure is a risk long term but for that price it's waaay worth it.

They are somewhat of a legend as they are quite rare. They use the same driver technology as the lower level "Pro 22" but (as you know) have the real wood cabinetry with integrated stands and I think upgraded bracing and crossovers.

Hank has a pair and has posted extensively comparing them to the later Veritas and RC's, you should try to do a search and you will find his thoughts.

In terms of amplification.... these are older speakers and have a lower sensitivity than a lot of modern designs. The AVR 590 will probably drive them OK to moderate volumes but if you want to turn them into a dedicated 2ch setup I'd definitely look into a nicer, higher current integrated amp or something. You can probably find something decent used for cheap (e.g. a recent NAD, Marantz, Rotel, etc. integrated or some older stereo unit) that will make them sing.

Thanks batpig. I am looking forward to setting them up even more after what you said above. Will do a search for Hank's comparison for sure.
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Originally Posted by mlupia92 View Post

... On another note, I get the audioquest cables through the Audioquest ASAP accommodation program, so I pay next to nothing for them, also I only got them for the enhanced audio quality (yes I can hear a difference). I have tried the monoprice cables and they are great for the price, but they lack a little on the audio end....

Sorry to derail the thread, but you're a victim of Audioquest's marketing BS if you think you can hear a difference between different HDMI cables. Read a little about how HDMI works and then you'll realize it's just not really possible. You think you can hear a difference, sure, because the power of suggestion is quite a power indeed.
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Yeah, I didn't want to get into it (I was reading his message in Peru on an iPhone) but when he asked for "thoughts?" that was of course my first thought! Thankfully he didn't pay much for those cables in the first place, and hopefully we saved him from wasting money on even more expensive HDMI's.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=171043880252&item=171043880252&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466#viTabs_0

$1250 for a single open-box VS surround (with FREE SHIPPING!!!)

Seller Notes: “Item is Like new. Customer returned because of better price found..." - I doubt they had to look very hard
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I saw that same ad, thats crazy.
post #48088 of 51531
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Originally Posted by debjit_g View Post

I currently own a pair of Veritas V-6.2 and got a real deal from CL ad on V-6.3. Anyone knows if Veritas V-6.3 sounds noticeably better than the Veritas V-6.2 ? the V-6.3 has a dedicated midrange in a 3-way setup whereas V-6.2 is a 2.5 way. I am using V-5.2C for center and V-mini for the surrounds and powering it with a Denon 2312. Been quiet happy with the setup but if V-6.3 improves the sq by a notch I would like to jump on the boat. Also will the receiver power be enough or do I need an external amp ?

thanks in advance.



You will notice a difference in the vocal range because of the dedicated midrange, but the rest is pretty much the same sound, the dedicated midrange will only improve the vocals.
post #48089 of 51531
brendelac that ebay ad remind me someone here lol.
post #48090 of 51531
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Originally Posted by Fears4Ears View Post

John:

To be honest, at this point, I'm not sure if I'm getting "double-bass" sent to my surrounds. The lows are definitely being sent to the subs though. I haven't run Audyssey yet on my Denon 3808. I Just left it at what the previous owner's settings were for now. All I know for sure is -- I put on Blue Man Group's DVD-Audio again today and was listening and loving it. Then I hit the "Direct" option on the remote and got SLAMMED! You have to understand that this is a studio recording with instruments called "Drum Wall', "Baritone Guitar", "Backpack Tubulum", "Piano Smasher", "Doppler Toms", "Cymbalom", and Drumbone"! This isn't just ambiance being sent to the surrounds. This is expecting full-range speakers all around.

I just hate to see you get rid of the C-8's without hearing for your self how massive this can sound with capable speakers.

Man! My ears are STILL ringing 6 hours later!

Haha, man...I might have to check that out...sounds pretty epic!! smile.gif
Is there a particular disc you would recommend?
Edited by johnb4467 - 6/13/13 at 9:02pm
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