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post #48181 of 51452
Someone has been asking me what would be a good receiver to use with the V2.4i.
I can tell him what to use on the Pioneer and Ymaha side of things but that is all
the knowledge I have. Any other recommendations receiver wise?
post #48182 of 51452
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

14 would be fine. Monoprice is what I use. 12 is what I have but it's a little hard to put in the speakers and work with. The only reason to use 12 would be if you were exceeding 50ft in length I believe, otherwise studies have shown no difference in audio quality. I am sure there are some links on avs somewhere. i would not recommend spending too much on speaker wire.

50 ft, 14 gauge speaker wire $12.87,,im up for that price...always get my HDMI cables from mono,dunno why i didnt think of them before:)
post #48183 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Jben04 View Post

50 ft, 14 gauge speaker wire $12.87,,im up for that price...always get my HDMI cables from mono,dunno why i didnt think of them before:)

Great!! Best of luck with the setup and sound!
post #48184 of 51452
Thanks,,, think the biggest headache was trying to choose between the take classics and the RC micro's rolleyes.gif

Now to get to work on how im gonna hide the speaker wires ,,gonna run them on the bottom of the walls,Already had the on the top of the wall by the crown moulding, using them cord cover things.Did contemplate taking the moulding down,,but i was told its a right pain in the arse to put them things up
The misses got tired of looking at them,,so to the floor they go.
Edited by Jben04 - 6/19/13 at 12:24pm
post #48185 of 51452
My next project, clean out the garage and use 2 bays for a HT setup. Need some music for outside.
Since I still have a few speakers not in use I pulled the RC-70'S out and put them in there along
with my new/old toy a Yamaha RX-Z9. 170 watts should be plenty for outdoor listening. My wife should
of never told me to take a few years off from work. eek.gif I can hook up a 9.2 channel setup on the Yamaha
so that should get all the animals in the woods out here fired up.

post #48186 of 51452
OK thats loud, I can hear it all the way out in the pasture in the back with the bay doors open. cool.gif
post #48187 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Jben04 View Post

Thanks,,, think the biggest headache was trying to choose between the take classics and the RC micro's rolleyes.gif

Now to get to work on how im gonna hide the speaker wires ,,gonna run them on the bottom of the walls,Already had the on the top of the wall by the crown moulding, using them cord cover things.Did contemplate taking the moulding down,,but i was told its a right pain in the arse to put them things up
The misses got tired of looking at them,,so to the floor they go.

You might try using quarter round moulding which leaves a gap between the quarter round and the baseboards. That should be a large enough gap for thin wires. They can be painted to match the baseboards.
post #48188 of 51452
Not a bad idea,,the floor actually has no baseboards,,so that might be a good thing - time to put some down
post #48189 of 51452
THis may sound crazy but I might move the V2.3i and my extra V2.0Ci along with a pair of V2.0Ri out to the garage for my new
HT setup. And if I want strictly music I can run the V2.3i along with the V2.0Ci or all by itself. I might even put the 2 -S12.3 out
there as well. I have a fruit orchard and garden in the back and deer romp through there a lot, plus when my cherry trees are almost
ready to pick the dam birds always get there before I can pick them. Its a timing issue and the birds wait till evening usually to raid the tree's.
The tree's are to big for netting but a little music might keep them at bay until I pick the fruit.
post #48190 of 51452
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Well it's not much surprise he didn't get them considering the 3,000 mile drive!

I've seen his sales before but they are usually above my budget, and more importantly the Bay Area is about an 8 hour drive from San Diego (one way) so I'm not about to go pick those puppies up.

I'm going to be in San Diego for a wedding beginning of July...... tongue.gifwink.gif Not planning on picking these up though. No way I'm even going to be able to afford them. Just thought I'd rub it in that I have the ability to be there, yet since I can't actually afford them, pointing out my trip is moot.
post #48191 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

I'm going to be in San Diego for a wedding beginning of July...... tongue.gifwink.gif Not planning on picking these up though. No way I'm even going to be able to afford them. Just thought I'd rub it in that I have the ability to be there, yet since I can't actually afford them, pointing out my trip is moot.

There is a pair of V2.4i in San Diego with your name on it.
post #48192 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

I'm going to be in San Diego for a wedding beginning of July...... tongue.gifwink.gif Not planning on picking these up though. No way I'm even going to be able to afford them. Just thought I'd rub it in that I have the ability to be there, yet since I can't actually afford them, pointing out my trip is moot.

Wrong direction Mac! The speakers are in NJ, 3000 miles away from BP. You will be close to those 2.4i's though.
post #48193 of 51452
Mac did you get your new sub cable yet?
post #48194 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post

I'm going to be in San Diego for a wedding beginning of July...... tongue.gifwink.gif Not planning on picking these up though. No way I'm even going to be able to afford them. Just thought I'd rub it in that I have the ability to be there, yet since I can't actually afford them, pointing out my trip is moot.

You know that thinking of something is the same as doing it in some circles, so might as well buy them. tongue.gif

I'd add the $1200 in gas to the price, though.
post #48195 of 51452
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Mac did you get your new sub cable yet?

You mean for me to hook up my 2nd s10.2? I still haven't gotten a paycheck from my summer job so once that comes I am getting a power cord for my smaller Outlaw, another y-adapter, and another 35ft sub cable. Then I will try out having the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus with the dual s10.2 setup, and after a few days of that I will try moving my Plus back to the corner and putting my smaller Outlaw in the opposite corner. Then if that works better I will keep the dual s10.2 at my computer with my RC-10s.
post #48196 of 51452
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

There is a pair of V2.4i in San Diego with your name on it.

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Originally Posted by jasonmichaelh View Post

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Wrong direction Mac! The speakers are in NJ, 3000 miles away from BP. You will be close to those 2.4i's though.

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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

You know that thinking of something is the same as doing it in some circles, so might as well buy them. tongue.gif

I'd add the $1200 in gas to the price, though.

I am going with family so I am not paying a cent for the trip. smile.gif Getting the speakers back would be difficult though, at least safely since I'll be in a packed vehicle. Kind of stuck to an itenirary, too. tongue.gif
post #48197 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Macstatic View Post



I am going with family so I am not paying a cent for the trip. smile.gif Getting the speakers back would be difficult though, at least safely since I'll be in a packed vehicle. Kind of stuck to an itenirary, too. tongue.gif

Strap those monster V2.4i on top of the roof of the vehicle.
post #48198 of 51452
you guys reckon $32 dlvd for 14gauge 100 ft speaker wire a good price ...from monoprice..

I know the local walmart does sell the audiovox and RCA speaker wire ( saving on shipping) ,,or are there certain brands to stay clear of?
post #48199 of 51452
Hey, I just wanted to get your guy's thoughts on something really quick:
I have a pair of Audissey 2+2's in the garage, as I had bought them for replacement tweeters -- I've used one already for the fixing of my APS 5+2's when I purchased them (one had a crushed tweeter), and I STILL need to fix my C-6 speaker...
...which, by the way...if anyone knows how to get them open -- please let me know; no visible screws!!!

Anyway, there is a set of two tweeters on ebay from a pair of Audissey speakers for $50 (without shipping). They're the same tweeters in the Audissey and the even C's. I was thinking that, if I purchased them...I could actually have a functional pair of 2+2's...instead of just one being ravaged for parts, and the other sitting all by its lonesome. It might be nice to have the 'extra' tweeters that the 2+2's already have ... if needed ... down the road, but if I got the set of two, that'd leave me one left over for any accidents / failures that might happen -- and then I could potentially be open to being able to sell the 2+2's.
Btw -- I think that was the longest run-on sentence, ever. :O

Anyway, just looking for thoughts.

Also, with the Denon 4311, I've been considering running a zone 2. The receiver came with a second remote for zone 2, but I've no idea how that's actually supposed to work...is it assumed that you'd run a long IR repeater into the zone 2 room?
post #48200 of 51452
Hi guys,

I have a pair of black RC-50's for sale if anyone's interested. They've been sitting since I got the 70's.
post #48201 of 51452
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Originally Posted by Jben04 View Post

you guys reckon $32 dlvd for 14gauge 100 ft speaker wire a good price ...from monoprice..

I know the local Walmart does sell the audiovox and RCA speaker wire ( saving on shipping) ,,or are there certain brands to stay clear of?

12ga is about $4 more at Monoprice. Either one should probably work for most people's needs. 16ga is okay for shorter runs.

The wire I've seen at Walmart is not 14ga, at least not in my area. Someone told me the RCA wire is not copper, but aluminum. Monoprice uses Oxygen Free Copper wire (OFC).
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Sorry text didn't apply.Need your always helpful advice.First of all I'm loving my HT thanks to guys BUT I was wondering if adding a S10.3 to my current HT would help me FEEL the bass even more In my 12x15 room. Sounds good now BUT why not ask for MORE.Thanks in advance for your input.
post #48204 of 51452
Of course adding a sub will help the bass - that's what they are for!!

First take a step back though:

- do you have a sub currently?
- what's your budget for the new sub?

Your setup looks beautiful smile.gif
post #48205 of 51452
Yes I have 2 e:XL-S8 subs that fill the room nicely but after reading about you guys promoting the addition of MORE to our systems I thought you in particular would give me the advice that I value very much.So do you think the S10.3 would add something more to the overall feeling of the setup.Thanks again in advance.
post #48206 of 51452
Forgot to answer the second part of your questions.I'm kinda partial to Energy products, I know there's other sub's but why not stick with Energy.Budget is about $250 ..Also welcome back from your vacation,we in San Diego are glad your back
post #48207 of 51452
Ah, a fellow San Diegan smile.gif Hope you are enjoying this sweet post June gloom weather biggrin.gif Vacation was awesome but it's nice to be able to come home to such a nice city wink.gif

I was looking on my iPhone before and now I see your equipment list and location viewing on a web browser.

My thoughts:

- Given the small size of your room, I think that the dual S8's probably fill it out pretty nicely. The S10.3 is a better sub than the S8, it is capable of greater output and deeper extension, and also being a newer design will be cleaner (lower distortion) at higher volumes. But with a room that small, I think it's unlikely that you are pushing the output limits of the dual S8's so the only real benefit would be slightly deeper extension.

- The big advantage of dual subs is that they even out the response by working together to cancel out room modes. Not clear if you are thinking of adding a THIRD sub or replacing the two S8's with a single S10.3, but a single S10.3 would probably provide more output/extension but sacrifice the overall room balance. If you are thinking of adding a third sub to even things out even more, maybe going with another one of those S8's would work well too to keep things all matched up. They are very common on the used market, for example here's one up in Escondido for $60: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/ele/3868952442.html

(also FYI if you are interested I have an ES-8 sub sitting unused, it's basically the same thing)

- Not sure where you would even find an S10.3 nowadays... it's discontinued and I don't know of any for sale but on the used market. Once you are looking on the used market there might be even better values... no real reason to stick to Energy as a rule, their subs are nice but there are better ones out there.

- Just checking San Diego craigslist quickly I noticed this guy has an HSU STF-2 sub, you might want to check if he will sell it separately for your $250 budget: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/3860261466.html

All that said..... it sounds like the S8's "fill the room" but you want to "feel" the bass more, I might then suggest not a subwoofer but the addition of tactile transducers (buttkickers). Getting a subwoofer that will provide signficantly deeper extension than what you have now is expensive (basically starting at $500 for something like the SVS SB-1000 or PB-1000) and involves bigger boxes, but buttkickers are really cost effective way to get "feel" with intense low bass effects.
post #48208 of 51452
Thanks for your much appreciated advice.I was planning on adding the S-10.3 to my other subs.Your recommendation of "buttkickers" is interesting ,where do I find these Big Boy Toys.Do they fit into a room easily WAF....Isn't San Diego a "Bitchen" to live in ,can I say that:)
post #48209 of 51452
The WAF is the specific reason I brought it up -- tactile transducers are invisible when installed, it's literally a vibrating component that you bolt to the underside of your couch that shakes it for low frequency effects (thus the common name of "buttkicker" or "bass shaker").

Buttkicker is actually a specific brand: http://www.thebuttkicker.com/lfe-kit.php

Parts Express has a lot of options: http://www.parts-express.com/cat/tactile-transducers/18

(note that you typically need an amp to power the transducer, sometimes they are sold as a package and sometimes not)

Since you mention wanting to "feel it" this is the easiest way to add that sensation. It's VERY expensive to get the kind of ultra low frequency bass that you really feel in your bones from subwoofers alone, but adding a tactile transducer accomplishes a similar sensation much more cheaply (and invisibly!). I've felt them in action and it really works, it doesn't feel "gimmicky" when dialed in properly. They usually include a filter in the amp which allows you to filter out higher frequencies, so your couch doesn't rumble with something like deep male voices and it only hits you on the deep LFE action (explosions, etc).
post #48210 of 51452
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Originally Posted by vikingcrazyman View Post

Yes I have 2 e:XL-S8 subs that fill the room nicely but after reading about you guys promoting the addition of MORE to our systems I thought you in particular would give me the advice that I value very much.So do you think the S10.3 would add something more to the overall feeling of the setup.Thanks again in advance.

I have an S8.3 and an S10.3. The S8.3 is impressive. It is also a coupla generations newer (better) than yours. But next to the S10.3, it actually can sound hollow and bloated when trying to move a lot of air, whereas the S10.3 just MOVES A LOT OF AIR! You just can't get that effect from an 8" sub. I've considered a Buttkicker or some of the really cheap alternatives on Amazon because the S10.3 rattles everything in my room so much that the rattling is all I hear. But there really is no way to duplicate the feeling of a pressurized room other than actually pressurizing it. I've seen the S10.3's on eBay for about $250 used so you might wanna keep watching.
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