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post #48451 of 51587
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

You can run dual center channels now. Nice find, they weigh 39 pounds each, built solid. Thats the V2.0C you bought.
Thanks a lot. How to run dual center?

Edited by caloyzki - 7/2/13 at 5:55pm
post #48452 of 51587
No, you don't want to run dual centers, that's pointless other than blocking your tv screen!
post #48453 of 51587
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

No, you don't want to run dual centers, that's pointless other than blocking your tv screen!
I dont place them like that. If its ok to run dual center. What is tge best way to do with my avr if i want to run 6.2? Is it possible?
post #48454 of 51587
You don't want two center speakers. All sorts of problems with that.

6.1 means having a REAR center channel in the back. Basically the same as 7.1 but with a single mono speaker behind you instead of dual stereo speakers.
post #48455 of 51587
You misunderstood, you can run both centers but not on top or beside each other. One is used for
you center and one for back channel. LOL smile.gif
Edited by baron2 - 7/2/13 at 7:47pm
post #48456 of 51587
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

Thanks a lot. How to run dual center?

Now thats almost as good as the guy that had rc-70's front left and rc-50's stacked on top of them for heights
He took the meaning of heights to a new level.
post #48457 of 51587
I posed this question on an older thread dedicated to the v-mini and didn't get a response. I'll give it a shot here. Anybody know what the thread size is on the v-mini bookshelf? I need to ceiling mount and the bracket that comes with it isn't going to work. I want to make sure I get it right the first time.....thanks.
post #48458 of 51587
So happy now smile.gifsmile.gif . I think it has been obvious I have been unhappy with my Energy speakers (Now I am extremely happy). My receiver randomly on the OSD said "AMP SPEAKERS". Still have absolutely no idea what I did. All I know is that now I am actually hearing cranking of handcuffs, keys in pockets, and voices no longer sound recessed. Tweeter no longer sound dull and rolled off.

Now I'm listening at volumes of 20 instead of 45-55. The club scene on "The Dark Knight" at 20 volume had me scrambling for the remote to turn it down. Voices no longer sound muffled, the quiet midrange is no longer quiet, tweeters are awesome. Can't complain.

I just want to say thanks to everyone here who tried to help me for the past few months. It was a receiver issue. Funny things is that resetting the receiver did nothing confused.gif . Well anyway FIXED. With the crossover at 90hz it now sounds like there is a medium sized sub. Soundstage, depth, dynamics. I got it all. For the first time ever I actually witnessed my drivers move, let alone vibrate biggrin.gif

Only problem now is that my receiver refuses to let me access level calibration controls (glitch???). Well anyway don't care not why I'm here. So funny though you gotta laugh at my definition of warm before I fixed my receiver. Now I have no idea what warm is all I know is these sound amazing.

How noticeable is the difference with RC-50/V6.2 to the RC-70/V6.3. I know there is a difference in quality due to a lack of mid-range, everyone knows that. Has anyone actually done AB testing though in the same room? I am trying to sell my RC-70's to get the V-6.2 (for the drop dead gorgeous rosenut finish). Now after hearing the full potential though I am scared of how much quality I will lose by not having the mid-range.

EDIT: Finally figured out what the problem was. My Onkyo has a glitch where if I say output audio to TV it switches the amps off (or does something I'm not an engineer). Thing is when I switch it back it doesn't always turn the Speaker Amps all the way back on. Pretty nasty glitch if you ask me. Have to keep switching it back and forth until the Onkyo gets it right.
Edited by Porthos01 - 7/2/13 at 9:39pm
post #48459 of 51587
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Originally Posted by lungin View Post

I posed this question on an older thread dedicated to the v-mini and didn't get a response. I'll give it a shot here. Anybody know what the thread size is on the v-mini bookshelf? I need to ceiling mount and the bracket that comes with it isn't going to work. I want to make sure I get it right the first time.....thanks.

It's definitely a metric thread.... can't recall exactly what it is, but just take the original bracket fastening screw to the hardware store and match it up to be sure..... But, be aware that depending on whatever bracket that you find for your mounting situation, that the correct length of your replacement screw will be critical. If you force in too long of a screw, you can easily strip the embedded fastener in the speaker backing plate. Make sure it is tight, but go no further...If you still have some play with your revised bracket, use some washers or spacers....
post #48460 of 51587
Porthos01 ^^^^^^ How much you are going to paid for the veritas 6.2?
post #48461 of 51587
Well I won't get them unless I can get $800 for the pair RC-70's. I'm not sure if that's unrealistic given that closeout pricing is in peoples minds but 2-3 years ago it was that much for a single speaker. I can get a pair for $900 with a full warranty and free shipping. Kinda sad that I missed out on the ebay deal of $200 for one NIB V-6.2 though. That would have brought the total down to $650.
post #48462 of 51587
Yes you miss the 6.2 sales and I don't think you will be able to sale the RC-70s for $800.


My advice ,Keep the RC-70s if you don't want to lost money.
post #48463 of 51587
Losservatore, you a probably right. I will try to lower the asking price a little. Well given that these speakers can last me for the next 20 years or more if I were to get the V-6.2's just how drastic is the difference in quality? Would it take a very well trained ear or is it quite noticeable.
post #48464 of 51587
The 6.2 will give you a excellent movie experience with a beautiful finish ,but the RC-70 is a 3 way speaker = better speaker for dialogue=better choice for music.

Now things change when comparing two 3 way speakers like the RC-70 and VERITAS V 6.3
Edited by losservatore - 7/2/13 at 9:26pm
post #48465 of 51587
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Originally Posted by Porthos01 View Post

Losservatore, you a probably right. I will try to lower the asking price a little. Well given that these speakers can last me for the next 20 years or more if I were to get the V-6.2's just how drastic is the difference in quality? Would it take a very well trained ear or is it quite noticeable.

When I got my black RC70's I originally bought a rosenut v5.2c and really liked the finish too and considered doing something similar. I ultimately decided to go with the all black RC series and am continually impressed and satisfied with them for music and HT. Not sure how the 6.2's compare but I know the RC70's have been easily worth the purchase price in sound quality - as you are finally finding out smile.gif. Glad you figured out the issue. Also, with the grills off they look great, even in the black, IMHO.
post #48466 of 51587
Looks like I might have a buyer for my extra pair of RC70's. If that's the case, I am considering keeping the s12.3 and the dual s10.3's. Anyone running 3 subs? From what I have read, the more the merrier if the quality of the subs is good (which is true in this case). I have dual pre-outs and a splitter and might try it this week sometime. Space and WAF might come into play though...

I will also be trying new wire jumpers on my original rc70's. I had to move the gold plate from mine to the new set, which was missing one.
Edited by eah9 - 7/3/13 at 6:59am
post #48467 of 51587
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

Looks like I might have a buyer for my extra pair of RC70's. If that's the case, I am considering keeping the s12.3 and the dual s10.3's. Anyone running 3 subs? From what I have read, the more the merrier if the quality of the subs is good (which is true in this case). I have dual pre-outs and a splitter and might try it this week sometime. Space and WAF might come into play though...

I will also be trying new wire jumpers on my original rc70's. I had to move the gold plate from mine to the new set, which was missing one.

I thought you sold both of your S10.3
post #48468 of 51587
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

Looks like I might have a buyer for my extra pair of RC70's. If that's the case, I am considering keeping the s12.3 and the dual s10.3's. Anyone running 3 subs? From what I have read, the more the merrier if the quality of the subs is good (which is true in this case). I have dual pre-outs and a splitter and might try it this week sometime. Space and WAF might come into play though...

I will also be trying new wire jumpers on my original rc70's. I had to move the gold plate from mine to the new set, which was missing one.

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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

I thought you sold both of your S10.3

Nope - Sold the rosenut rc-lcr so far. I was on vacation for a couple of weeks and just got back and haven't advertised yet. If I sell the RC70's, then it would be a wash on the deal where I drove across PA - so I might just try all 3 subs or possibly give the dual s10.3's to my brother as a b'day present. I would probably sell them if there are any local'ish takers.

$600 for the RC70's and $300 for the dual s10.3's. Plus shipping but I don't mind driving 1/2 way or whatever instead of shipping.
post #48469 of 51587
What do you think would be upgrade to 3 5.2's? I'm not really looking to upgrade yet I was just wondering what caliber speaker I would be looking to get if I was to upgrade. It doesn't have to be Energy.
post #48470 of 51587
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Originally Posted by SightSeeker1 View Post

What do you think would be upgrade to 3 5.2's? I'm not really looking to upgrade yet I was just wondering what caliber speaker I would be looking to get if I was to upgrade. It doesn't have to be Energy.

What is your main use? And room size?

I had the RC70's and a V5.2c and liked the sound for movies quite a bit. I have since switched over to all RC's, because of color and to be consistent across the front, but the sound was great. Subwoofer is pretty important for movies as well as far as an upgrade, IMHO. For music the RC70's are great too. And yes - I am slightly biased biggrin.gif
post #48471 of 51587
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Originally Posted by mlupia92 View Post

I just hooked up my first V-Mini-C center and did a side by side with it and my cc-10. With my setup the v-mini-c kills the cc-10 and it surprised the hell out of me. Definitely need to get another one of these, but I feel really bad about using them as surrounds since they sound so great.
What did you wind up setting the crossover to on the v mini c?
post #48472 of 51587
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

What is your main use? And room size?

I had the RC70's and a V5.2c and liked the sound for movies quite a bit. I have since switched over to all RC's, because of color and to be consistent across the front, but the sound was great. Subwoofer is pretty important for movies as well as far as an upgrade, IMHO. For music the RC70's are great too. And yes - I am slightly biased biggrin.gif

This is 90% video use.

I need to measure my room. It's an L shape Probably 23L X 15W at the vertical part of the L. X's are the mains and B's are two DIY 12" dayton 4.5 ft^3 ported subs with 300W BASH plate amps. They are running about 25% to not overpower the mains and that is about 2db hot. I definitely am covered in the bass department. I would just be looking for what would be the next boost for sound quality.

I have an older Pioneer 1016 THX receiver. I have two custom EQ settings for which ever seat I am in and I have a BFD 1124 settings for each seat as well for the subs. Maybe I should just be happy for awhile. I just like trying out new stuff.

edit - Sorry it's formatting my diagram after I submit it. It is collapsing my spaces in the middle so put that over where the right most X is.

| X X X|
| |
| |______
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| sofa
|_B____B_____
post #48473 of 51587
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Originally Posted by SightSeeker1 View Post

This is 90% video use.

I need to measure my room. It's an L shape Probably 23L X 15W at the vertical part of the L. X's are the mains and B's are two DIY 12" dayton 4.5 ft^3 ported subs with 300W BASH plate amps. They are running about 25% to not overpower the mains and that is about 2db hot. I definitely am covered in the bass department. I would just be looking for what would be the next boost for sound quality.

I have an older Pioneer 1016 THX receiver. I have two custom EQ settings for which ever seat I am in and I have a BFD 1124 settings for each seat as well for the subs. Maybe I should just be happy for awhile. I just like trying out new stuff.



| X X X|
| .|
| .|______
| .|
| sofa .|
|_B____B_____.|

I know it's hard to just be happy with the current gear. I am finally at that point after a few iterations. Sorry - I only have experience with the RC70's as l/r and Klipsch F-30's. Both are great. RC70's slightly cleaner IMHO.
post #48474 of 51587
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Originally Posted by SightSeeker1 View Post

What do you think would be upgrade to 3 5.2's? I'm not really looking to upgrade yet I was just wondering what caliber speaker I would be looking to get if I was to upgrade. It doesn't have to be Energy.

It's hard to make a specific recommendation but here's some general thoughts.... I think the way to look at is in terms of the price level of the speaker. Energy speakers punch above their weight, and a mid level line like the RC or current Veritas should be expected to approximately comparable to the mid level lines of other brands (even if they are more expensive) like Paradigm's Studio series, Monitor Audio Silver, PSB Imagine, Polk LSi, B&W 6xx, etc. To get a significant upgrade from these mid-level models, you'd want to step up to the higher tier offerings: for Energy the older (1st/2nd gen) Veritas, Paradigm Signature, Monitor Audio Gold, etc.

Or thinking about in terms of cost, forgetting about how little most people here actually paid for them thanks to sales, three V5.2C's is approximately a $2k front end (msrp). Given their "bang for the buck" they would probably be competitive with any nice monitor speakers in the $2k-3k range (msrp for 3 speakers). I think a good rule of thumb is you'd have to double the price (msrp) to get a significant improvement, so you'd probably want to step up to a front end that was in the $4k-$5k range (msrp for 3 speakers).

Or looking at the RC's.... a full RC setup (5 channels) of RC-70, RC-LCR, and RC-R would be about $3k-3.5k at full retail. I would bet they'd at least be competitive with any 5ch setup costing up to $5k (again full retail msrp). To step up you'd probably be looking for a 5ch setup with an msrp well above $5k to really make a sizable improvement.

Now, these are all *very* general rules of thumb, and these days especially the internet direct wold has really turned things on their side in terms of price/performance by cutting out the middle man retailer. Companies like Axiom, Ascend Acoustics, Aperion, etc. deliver awesome products for much less than "big box store" brands like Klipsch, Polk, Paradigm, etc.
post #48475 of 51587
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

It's hard to make a specific recommendation but here's some general thoughts.... I think the way to look at is in terms of the price level of the speaker. Energy speakers punch above their weight, and a mid level line like the RC or current Veritas should be expected to approximately comparable to the mid level lines of other brands (even if they are more expensive) like Paradigm's Studio series, Monitor Audio Silver, PSB Imagine, Polk LSi, B&W 6xx, etc. To get a significant upgrade from these mid-level models, you'd want to step up to the higher tier offerings: for Energy the older (1st/2nd gen) Veritas, Paradigm Signature, Monitor Audio Gold, etc.

Or thinking about in terms of cost, forgetting about how little most people here actually paid for them thanks to sales, three V5.2C's is approximately a $2k front end (msrp). Given their "bang for the buck" they would probably be competitive with any nice monitor speakers in the $2k-3k range (msrp for 3 speakers). I think a good rule of thumb is you'd have to double the price (msrp) to get a significant improvement, so you'd probably want to step up to a front end that was in the $4k-$5k range (msrp for 3 speakers).

Or looking at the RC's.... a full RC setup (5 channels) of RC-70, RC-LCR, and RC-R would be about $3k-3.5k at full retail. I would bet they'd at least be competitive with any 5ch setup costing up to $5k (again full retail msrp). To step up you'd probably be looking for a 5ch setup with an msrp well above $5k to really make a sizable improvement.

Now, these are all *very* general rules of thumb, and these days especially the internet direct wold has really turned things on their side in terms of price/performance by cutting out the middle man retailer. Companies like Axiom, Ascend Acoustics, Aperion, etc. deliver awesome products for much less than "big box store" brands like Klipsch, Polk, Paradigm, etc.

That makes sense. I went from Athena speakers to Polk monitor 70's/CS2 and they sounded pretty much the exact same. The polks had more mid bass from being towers but then I switched to the Energy speakers and they sounded better everywhere. More bass and detail all around. Now that I got a taste of what a better speaker can do I want more lol. I always hear about the Sierra 1's but they are probably on the same level as these and maybe the Energy's are nicer. I just like to have my next move in the back of my head but I don't think I can afford to upgrade for what I would have to spend to get a noticeable difference that I did going from what I had to what I have. Well I guess I could but I don't want it that bad yet.
post #48476 of 51587
I would like to listen to this speakers..... ascend sierra ,salk sound or philharmonic ,they made very affordable high quality product.
Edited by losservatore - 7/3/13 at 11:03am
post #48477 of 51587
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Originally Posted by SightSeeker1 View Post

That makes sense. I went from Athena speakers to Polk monitor 70's/CS2 and they sounded pretty much the exact same. The polks had more mid bass from being towers but then I switched to the Energy speakers and they sounded better everywhere. More bass and detail all around. Now that I got a taste of what a better speaker can do I want more lol. I always hear about the Sierra 1's but they are probably on the same level as these and maybe the Energy's are nicer. I just like to have my next move in the back of my head but I don't think I can afford to upgrade for what I would have to spend to get a noticeable difference that I did going from what I had to what I have. Well I guess I could but I don't want it that bad yet.

NIce, I too went from the CS2/M70 to the RC-LCR/RC-70.
post #48478 of 51587
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I still don't understand. Why do you need a separate receiver for stereo? What's wrong with the current hook up where you are bi-amped on the other receiver?

Maybe take a step back and explain the whole setup and what you are trying to achieve.
If I bi-amp my CF-30's I lose my second zone. What i'm trying to do, is use my v-mini-c's for just music. My initial thought was that I would have to set my veritas speakers up on a second zone to be able to just use those for 2.0 stereo. Or am I wrong?

On another note I'm thinking of buying these speakers off my friend as rear surrounds. Is $125 for the pair a fair deal? They've never been used.

http://www.klipsch.com/s-20-surround-speakers-pair
post #48479 of 51587
Received my three v-mini-c speakers today. Set them up three across, spaced out, above my display.

I love them, no more cb-5s muffled in the cubbyholes. Fuller sound.
post #48480 of 51587
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Originally Posted by baron2 View Post

Now thats almost as good as the guy that had rc-70's front left and rc-50's stacked on top of them for heights
He took the meaning of heights to a new level.

That was me haha! I took them down and boxed them up. Looked cool for a while though.
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