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post #48601 of 51540
Well once you give a number you can't go back. So go in low and prepare for what he really wants for them. Basic negotiations 101.

If something is 1400. And you offer 1200. You will never know if 1100 was on the table. At least this way you know. They will not usually hit you back with thanks for the offer of 1200. Bit actually I'm ok with 1050. Not usually.

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post #48602 of 51540
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

The two centers made to go with the C-7 towers are the C-C1 and C-C3.

Maybe some other Energy centers might be good but I'm not quite sure which ones.

Doubt the Bic would be the better match.

How do think a cc 10 center would sound with my c7s...i found a decent deal on a used one 170$ shipped...i can.get.a new c5 for around that tho....hmm
post #48603 of 51540
I would try to find the c-c3 over all the ones you mentioned above. If not that then the cc-10
post #48604 of 51540
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Originally Posted by nc88keyz View Post

Well once you give a number you can't go back. So go in low and prepare for what he really wants for them. Basic negotiations 101.

If something is 1400. And you offer 1200. You will never know if 1100 was on the table. At least this way you know. They will not usually hit you back with thanks for the offer of 1200. Bit actually I'm ok with 1050. Not usually.

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Agreed but if you go in too low, sometimes they won't respond back because it's not worth their time or they think it's insulting/you can't afford or won't pay near what they want and other times, they won't drop it to the lowest of what they'd actually accept because they want you to come up a bit closer to what they deem reasonable.

Not saying lowballs are necessarily bad, (especially if you're not sure or if you think it's overvalued, etc.) but just be prepared to not get an answer or a response back higher than what the seller is actually willing to accept. Intermediate negotiations 201.

Think your last paragraph got a bit garbled from your phone .
post #48605 of 51540
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Originally Posted by RastaManMax View Post

Agreed but if you go in too low, sometimes they won't respond back because it's not worth their time or they think it's insulting/you can't afford or won't pay near what they want and other times, they won't drop it to the lowest of what they'd actually accept because they want you to come up a bit closer to what they deem reasonable.

Not saying lowballs are necessarily bad, (especially if you're not sure or if you think it's overvalued, etc.) but just be prepared to not get an answer or a response back higher than what the seller is actually willing to accept. Intermediate negotiations 201.

Think your last paragraph got a bit garbled from your phone .

You are correct.

The art of negotiation is to find common ground, not to alienate.

Open with friendly dialogue, express your interest in his item(s), tell him you share the same taste in equipment, and then ask him if he is able to come down some on his asking price (depending on his situation, he may not be).

See what he comes back with, then negotiate from there.

At least you have engaged him.
post #48606 of 51540
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

You are correct.

The art of negotiation is to find common ground, not to alienate.

Open with friendly dialogue, express your interest in his item(s), tell him you share the same taste in equipment, and then ask him if he is able to come down some on his asking price (depending on his situation, he may not be).

See what he comes back with, then negotiate from there.

At least you have engaged him.

Even though I didn't mean to be rude, I think I didn't use the best words to initiate the conversation. I started saying I could get 2 RC-70 brand new for $800. I thought this would be my main point for negociation. It's also so different to negociate by email or in person. Ohh well, if he doesn't answer then i'll email him again and try to be more friendly this time :/
post #48607 of 51540
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Originally Posted by Zragnarok96 View Post

Even though I didn't mean to be rude, I think I didn't use the best words to initiate the conversation. I started saying I could get 2 RC-70 brand new for $800. I thought this would be my main point for negociation. It's also so different to negociate by email or in person. Ohh well, if he doesn't answer then i'll email him again and try to be more friendly this time :/
. Try reaching out to him again. Explain to him that after you retread your message, the wrong tone could have been misconstrued. If you feel comfortable enough, leave your number so that you can discuss the speakers.

Worse case scenario, you keep looking. As you can see from this thread, mant get the itch to upgrade, even with excellent systems.
post #48608 of 51540


I finally had a chance to hook up my new V2.4i speakers and compare them to my CF-70's and RC-70's.
Thought I would take a few pictures to share with everyone.

I have not had a tremendous amount of time to compare the three different speakers in 2 channel listening, but I will say I like the V2.4i's very much. I listened to Elton Johns song "Someone Saved my Life Tonight" numerous times comparing the three speakers. The CF-70's seemed a little harsh. The RC-70's were noticeably smoother than the CF-70s. The bass seemed really comparable between the RC-70s and the 2.4s. Maybe a little tighter with the 2.4s. This song has alot of percussion with symballs (sp?) and that is where there was a vast difference in sound from the RC-70s to the 2.4s. With the 2.4's, I felt like I was right there on stage. The sharp, crispness was incredible!

I kept the volume constant between the three speakers when comparing, and maybe it is my imagination, but it seemed like I might have needed to turn the volume up on the 2.4s to match the other two speaker levels?? The RC-70 and 2.4i have roughly the same sensitivity if I am not mistaken?
I plan on selling my CF70's, so eventually I will just have the RC70s and 2.4i's in the room. My intent is using the RC set up for HT and the 2.4i for 2 channel listening. Now, I have to figure what the best way to power the speakers!!
post #48609 of 51540
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Originally Posted by burkeydvm View Post



I finally had a chance to hook up my new V2.4i speakers and compare them to my CF-70's and RC-70's.
Thought I would take a few pictures to share with everyone.

I have not had a tremendous amount of time to compare the three different speakers in 2 channel listening, but I will say I like the V2.4i's very much. I listened to Elton Johns song "Someone Saved my Life Tonight" numerous times comparing the three speakers. The CF-70's seemed a little harsh. The RC-70's were noticeably smoother than the CF-70s. The bass seemed really comparable between the RC-70s and the 2.4s. Maybe a little tighter with the 2.4s. This song has alot of percussion with symballs (sp?) and that is where there was a vast difference in sound from the RC-70s to the 2.4s. With the 2.4's, I felt like I was right there on stage. The sharp, crispness was incredible!

I kept the volume constant between the three speakers when comparing, and maybe it is my imagination, but it seemed like I might have needed to turn the volume up on the 2.4s to match the other two speaker levels?? The RC-70 and 2.4i have roughly the same sensitivity if I am not mistaken?
I plan on selling my CF70's, so eventually I will just have the RC70s and 2.4i's in the room. My intent is using the RC set up for HT and the 2.4i for 2 channel listening. Now, I have to figure what the best way to power the speakers!!

Thank you for the detailed comparison! Nice looking room and speakers!

Speaking of good stuff to listen too....I just received and watched the Blu-Ray Hit Man: David Foster and Friends. Unbelievable sound quality and TRU-HD MA option. Some tremendous vocals on there. Got it from Amazon for around $18.
post #48610 of 51540
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Originally Posted by burkeydvm View Post



I finally had a chance to hook up my new V2.4i speakers and compare them to my CF-70's and RC-70's.
Thought I would take a few pictures to share with everyone.

I have not had a tremendous amount of time to compare the three different speakers in 2 channel listening, but I will say I like the V2.4i's very much. I listened to Elton Johns song "Someone Saved my Life Tonight" numerous times comparing the three speakers. The CF-70's seemed a little harsh. The RC-70's were noticeably smoother than the CF-70s. The bass seemed really comparable between the RC-70s and the 2.4s. Maybe a little tighter with the 2.4s. This song has alot of percussion with symballs (sp?) and that is where there was a vast difference in sound from the RC-70s to the 2.4s. With the 2.4's, I felt like I was right there on stage. The sharp, crispness was incredible!

I kept the volume constant between the three speakers when comparing, and maybe it is my imagination, but it seemed like I might have needed to turn the volume up on the 2.4s to match the other two speaker levels?? The RC-70 and 2.4i have roughly the same sensitivity if I am not mistaken?
I plan on selling my CF70's, so eventually I will just have the RC70s and 2.4i's in the room. My intent is using the RC set up for HT and the 2.4i for 2 channel listening. Now, I have to figure what the best way to power the speakers!!

I used to have CF-70's still have RC-70's and have the V2.3i so I can relate to your comparisons. I also feel the V2 series in general has a punchier bass sound and a more detailed sound than the RC-70's. I still like my RC-70's but the V2 series has a better all around sound to me. You mentioned you may have had to turn the volume up on the V2.4i to acheive what you think is the same loudness level, that may be true but once you start playing around more with your V2.4i you might notice the more volume you give them the better they sound. Great looking setup you have there!! smile.gif
post #48611 of 51540
So you guys have moved on from your CF-70's. Sherlock still has his! I think his Mackintosh equipment deserves better tho.
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post #48613 of 51540

"Look great and are supposedly better than Bose!"

Better than BOSE!?! /faints/
post #48614 of 51540
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Originally Posted by sanjoelo View Post

"Look great and are supposedly better than Bose!"

Better than BOSE!?! /faints/

I think someone will get these for a very good price, if they stay away until the end of the auction. I laughed out loud when I read that too... bose...
post #48615 of 51540
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

I think someone will get these for a very good price, if they stay away until the end of the auction. I laughed out loud when I read that too... bose...

^^Agreed with the "staying away" part. No point in driving up the price and stirring up the sharks. Have a max number in your head and bid in the last 20 seconds.

Bose is still a legend among the uninformed. Somewhere along the way, they secured a legend as being "The Best", and damned if it hasn't stuck.
post #48616 of 51540
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Originally Posted by burkeydvm View Post



I finally had a chance to hook up my new V2.4i speakers and compare them to my CF-70's and RC-70's.
Thought I would take a few pictures to share with everyone.

I have not had a tremendous amount of time to compare the three different speakers in 2 channel listening, but I will say I like the V2.4i's very much. I listened to Elton Johns song "Someone Saved my Life Tonight" numerous times comparing the three speakers. The CF-70's seemed a little harsh. The RC-70's were noticeably smoother than the CF-70s. The bass seemed really comparable between the RC-70s and the 2.4s. Maybe a little tighter with the 2.4s. This song has alot of percussion with symballs (sp?) and that is where there was a vast difference in sound from the RC-70s to the 2.4s. With the 2.4's, I felt like I was right there on stage. The sharp, crispness was incredible!

I kept the volume constant between the three speakers when comparing, and maybe it is my imagination, but it seemed like I might have needed to turn the volume up on the 2.4s to match the other two speaker levels?? The RC-70 and 2.4i have roughly the same sensitivity if I am not mistaken?
I plan on selling my CF70's, so eventually I will just have the RC70s and 2.4i's in the room. My intent is using the RC set up for HT and the 2.4i for 2 channel listening. Now, I have to figure what the best way to power the speakers!!

I think you're set up for the new receivers with not just wide speakers, but double wide... the trucker version of an AVR ... biggrin.gif
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post #48618 of 51540

lol...if I had never bought any Energy speakers before and had every cent available...those might be the pair I'd drive back up to SF (again!) to purchase.
Those are the finish to own!!! smile.gif

Considering the APS 5+2's BARELY (and I mean barrrreelly) fit in my car -- I'm pretty positive those ones wouldn't!

Anyone local up there...should snag those! I don't know if that's considered a good price for them or not, but the 2.4i's run up to about $1,200 -- I'm not sure the difference in quality between the two of them, but for the beauty of that finish...that might not be bad?
post #48619 of 51540
pretty sure that is the exact pair that I posted a few pages ago for $830.
post #48620 of 51540
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Originally Posted by brendelac View Post

pretty sure that is the exact pair that I posted a few pages ago for $830.

I was thinking the same thing but I think if you read his description he had 4 pair he was selling!
post #48621 of 51540
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Originally Posted by burkeydvm View Post



I finally had a chance to hook up my new V2.4i speakers and compare them to my CF-70's and RC-70's.
Thought I would take a few pictures to share with everyone.

I have not had a tremendous amount of time to compare the three different speakers in 2 channel listening, but I will say I like the V2.4i's very much. I listened to Elton Johns song "Someone Saved my Life Tonight" numerous times comparing the three speakers. The CF-70's seemed a little harsh. The RC-70's were noticeably smoother than the CF-70s. The bass seemed really comparable between the RC-70s and the 2.4s. Maybe a little tighter with the 2.4s. This song has alot of percussion with symballs (sp?) and that is where there was a vast difference in sound from the RC-70s to the 2.4s. With the 2.4's, I felt like I was right there on stage. The sharp, crispness was incredible!

I kept the volume constant between the three speakers when comparing, and maybe it is my imagination, but it seemed like I might have needed to turn the volume up on the 2.4s to match the other two speaker levels?? The RC-70 and 2.4i have roughly the same sensitivity if I am not mistaken?
I plan on selling my CF70's, so eventually I will just have the RC70s and 2.4i's in the room. My intent is using the RC set up for HT and the 2.4i for 2 channel listening. Now, I have to figure what the best way to power the speakers!!

Thank you for the comparisons. smile.gif
The older Veritas will always have a solid place in my heart.
I am not surprised about your CF-70 findings.
Were you able to turn the volume up when you were comparing the V2.4is against the RC-70s. From my experience, the Veritas are crystal clear from low volume levels to very loud volume levels. Other speaker's can't keep up when put through the same tests. Throughout all volume levels, the Veritas excel in every way from bass to overall soundstage. Of course, speaker placement is very important for the Veritas, as they need good breathing room to perform at their best.
The RC-70s and CF-70s will sound louder than your V2.4is as they have a higher sensitivity level.
The V2.4i speakers are 90 dB. The RC-70s are 92 dB. The CF-70s are 96 dB.
Enjoy those V2.4i speakers smile.gif I haven't heard that model yet, but I'm sure they give out a brilliant sound with a decent amp.
post #48622 of 51540
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Originally Posted by Fears4Ears View Post

I was thinking the same thing but I think if you read his description he had 4 pair he was selling!

My speculation is that he shipped them to SF with no buyers in NJ. Probably had to get them out of storage and now has to recoup the shipping fees too. He did have a few pairs for sale before, but his current ad doesn't indicate that (or I missed it). Nice of him to stop hoarding the veritas gen1's, although I must admit i had an inclination to acquire and hoard more pairs also smile.gif
post #48623 of 51540
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

As JohnB mentioned, the APS 5+2 (like most speakers with built-in powered subs) have two options for connection. If you are just using them as "full range" speakers, you hook up with speaker wire and leave it at that (letting the internal crossover handle the routing of the bass). If you want them to be fed the direct LFE/SW signal from a digital processor, you hook them up with RCA from the SUB OUT of the receiver. One thing you haven't mentioned is what receiver you have, this can affect how you want to hook them up.

The XL-S12 probably can dig a little deeper than the built-in subs of the APS 5+2 but they might be a good match if you are looking to expand the system.

Anyway, my reason for posting right is that I just noticed an Energy ES12 subwoofer posted on San Diego craigslist, it's up in Vista which is far northern SD County so not that far south of you: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/ele/3927766365.html

The e:XL subs replaced the ES subs and are nearly the same. Although not identical (it doesn't have the gloss back top) the specs are virtually the same, the newer e:XL version looks a bit heavier and is spec'd to go slightly lower (20Hz vs. 22Hz) but they look like they share the same amp (150W MOSFET / 600W peak) and probably the same driver.

I'm running my system with an open box pioneer vsx-60 that I scored on father's day from best buy with the extended 4 year warranty for $150. I'm definitely building my home theater with my budget in mind. I seriously considered the 5+2s in Del Mar since I was in Coronado for a wedding.

**EDIT** So far, with my aforementioned energy audissey towers, I'm planning to cut in 6 Yamaha in ceiling speakers. 2 of them are presence speakers which will be in the front and the other 4 will be regular down firing speakers. The vsx-60 is capable of 9.2 if I wire the front presence speakers to zone 2. I'll just have to double up the rear in ceilings with the rear towers.
Edited by video_newbie - 7/14/13 at 8:10pm
post #48624 of 51540
No Haggling V5.2C Piano Black -

http://goo.gl/itobJ

$240 shipped /from Canada
post #48625 of 51540
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Originally Posted by nc88keyz View Post

No Haggling V5.2C Piano Black -

http://goo.gl/itobJ

$240 shipped /from Canada

Saw that yesterday too. The thing that's unsettling is if you look at the left driver, it's either significantly dustier or somehow faded vs. the right driver. Could have been that the right driver was replaced since it's the older 1 port design. Also, while not a big deal, it could be missing the terminal connectors (not sure if that's the right word).
post #48626 of 51540
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Originally Posted by nc88keyz View Post

No Haggling V5.2C Piano Black -

http://goo.gl/itobJ

$240 shipped /from Canada

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Originally Posted by RastaManMax View Post

Saw that yesterday too. The thing that's unsettling is if you look at the left driver, it's either significantly dustier or somehow faded vs. the right driver. Could have been that the right driver was replaced since it's the older 1 port design. Also, while not a big deal, it could be missing the terminal connectors (not sure if that's the right word).

The older design had 2 ports. This is the newer version with one port - It was discussed a few months ago because I was curious about that. I looked closely and it looks like it just might be the angle of the speaker in the photo as far as the driver - I suppose somebody could ask if the driver was replaced or not.

I do have 2 extra original energy gold plates if anyone needs them (for this purchase) or is missing some. I bought a 4 pack of the anti-cables jumpers to replace the missing one and am using them on both of the RC70's now.
Edited by eah9 - 7/15/13 at 1:50pm
post #48627 of 51540
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Originally Posted by RastaManMax View Post

Saw that yesterday too. The thing that's unsettling is if you look at the left driver, it's either significantly dustier or somehow faded vs. the right driver. Could have been that the right driver was replaced since it's the older 1 port design. Also, while not a big deal, it could be missing the terminal connectors (not sure if that's the right word).

I assume you are talking only about the rubber surround of the driver compared to the other one? It is not at all unusual for their to be variations in the darkness of the rubber surrounds on Energy speakers(especially, the ones manufactured under the Klipsch regime it seems, but also seen on the older C-300s and C-500s) Not to mention there could be some photo/lighting/angle issues at play here with the pictures themselves, making it look worse too. I have not heard of there being any sound or performance issues associated with the lighter colored surrounds... purely cosmetic. Not to mention, I believe the single port design seems to be majority of these center channels, suggesting they are actually the later versions... Energy even changed the specification description for the included accessories for V5.2C from "port plugs" to "port plug" singular... I am betting this speaker is just fine and if there is anything that can be faulty at all, it is with the tweeters and not the woofers for these models....
post #48628 of 51540
Pair of Energy Veritas 5.1 Rosenut, $350 - Georgia.

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/ele/3917469827.html
post #48629 of 51540
I use two 5.2c on for **L/R and a vminic for center. I'm very fond of how they sound.. I ended up paying almost nothing for them after selling some very profitable its to cover the original cost of 150 after 50 eBay rebate and 259 for the other. But very pleased with the design and look of the v5.2cs. Specially with some lovan glass and tube stands. Millenium 2s

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post #48630 of 51540
Good afternoon friends,over the weekend I was able to acquire a S10.3 for a fair price. After combining it with my other two subs and calibrating them I can honestly say I got the extra muscle I was looking for in my little 12x15 room. Music and movies sound great equally. Again I've got to thank all you guys for your advice and imput over last few years, without it I wouldn't be as happy:) or quite as broke as I am now. WAF hasn't be given yet as she hasn't discovered it yet (hidden behind couch:) ) I'll just let her wonder how the sound just seemed to change then just say" oh that,its been here for awhile"smile.gif I think??? I'm done for awhile but don't worry I'll still be online taking in all your advice....Thanks
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