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post #49861 of 51489
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Ah even better. The C-C3 is the direct predecessor to the RC-LCR with the same 3-way design and diagonal mid/tweeter/mid array. It should work very nicely with the RC-70s.

Cool, I know its a large center, it weighs aprox 30lbs its self, next question what do you Energy guys think would be a fair price on the C-C3, it is absolutely flawless, in both condition and sound...and lastly, Im feeling that Yamaha isnt everyones favorite AVR, but would my RX V575* be enough to give proper power to those three, Ive heard that the Energy's are more power hungry then the Polks...

post #49862 of 51489
Yep, C-C3 would be a good choice. Quite a large center, a bit bigger than the RC LCR. Uses 6.5" woofers vs 5.5" on the RC LCR

22.9 in x 11.5 in x 7.8 in and 30lbs.

19.5" W x 10.25" D x 7.5" H and 24lbs for the LCR.
post #49863 of 51489
I think somewhere around $200 would be a fair price. It's so rare that it's hard to judge the market since there isn't a big sample of data from which to judge.
post #49864 of 51489
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

The VERITAS v sound brighter because there is not roll off in the high frequencies, the tweeter have a flat frequency , but some people prefer the roll off of a tweeter.

That's actually not true, the new Veritas do not have a flat high frequency response, the high end is slightly tilted up (not surprising for a Klipsch product). The RC-70 is actually much flatter in the treble when measured, the "warmth" is from the hump in the mid-bass, not from a rolled-off tweeter (see these measurements for example). It's sort of a myth that the RC's have a rolled-off treble, they don't.

So in fact the Veritas are actually flatter than the RCs but NOT in the treble range, rather they are flatter in the bass/mid region; that and the uptilt in the treble are the big reasons why they sound brighter and more accurate (not as "thick") compared to the RC's, not because they are neutral and people are used to warm speakers. So the more accurate statement is that the Veritas are flatter *below* the tweeter crossover range, whereas the RC's are flatter up top.

Every measurement of the V's shows this, see below.... The brightness / sibilance most people hear is probably because of that little spike you see above 10k (present in all the graphs), it looks like compared to the midrange (1-2khz) the response is up about 5dB at that little spike above 10khz.


Measurements of V-6.3 from Audioholics:




Measurements of V-6.3 from Secrets of HiFi:



Comment from Secrets with my emphasis:
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The on-axis frequency response is very smooth between 300 Hz up to the mid-tweeter crossover point at 2.5 kHz. Above this point, you can see the rise in response. Energy may consider a switch or LPad that the user could use to attenuate the tweeter. The bass began to roll off at around 36 Hz.
(snip)
I am giving the Energy Veritas V-6.3 5.1 System an overall passing grade even though their voicing did not meet with my personal tastes when it came to music. I could happily live with this system in a cinema only setting. So if you are building a movie system or if you prefer a forward treble presentation or if you have a warm sounding room, then give these a try. Their clean, immediate and open sound may be just what you want.


Measurements of V-5.1, V-5.2C and V-S system from Sound & Vision:

post #49865 of 51489
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Careful with the termonology brendelac, you are perpetuating some confusion here.

The LFE setting is NOT a crosover and has NOTHING to do with bass management. It ONLY is a lo-pass filter (LPF) for the LFE channel channel (thus the setting being called LFE LPF on the OP's denon) and would have nothing at all to do with the subwoofer not making noise. The LFE channel is the "point 1" in a 5.1 or 7.1 track and it is totally separate from redirected bass (bass management) from the other speakers. Out of the box the default for this LFE LPF setting is 120Hz which is the correct setting to let the entire LFE channel pass through to the subwoofer.

@ johdtv -- more likely, since it wounds like you have run Audyssey, is that your front A5+2 speakers were set to "large" during the calibration procedure. They should easily hit down to the 40Hz cutoff point for large vs. small, as they have dual 8" woofers and a -3dB point of 25Hz according to the specs. However, I would STILL set them to "small" for some of the reasons noted in the discussion above, in this case mostly to do with the amp headroom as I'm not sure you want the receiver amp section trying to push these big woofers down at the lowest octave (20-40hz). So I would set them to "small" with a 40Hz crossover to start with, also try 60Hz.

A lot here is going to depend on the relative quality of your older Polk subwoofer compared to these A5+2's down in those bottom two octaves. I have a gut feeling the A5+2's may not have quite the sheer output of the Polk but will haver better quality, so you have to futz around with the settings a bit. You are in kind of a rare situation in that the bass capability from your towers may actually be close to that of the subwoofer, so feel free to experiment.

Also take some time to review Audyssey setup guides (I have several links on my website) as some of the basics (like cranking the crossover knob on the subwoofer all the way up before calibration, which brendelac mentions above) may have been missed. It may take some tweaking and a few Audyssey runs to dial everything in.

Wow I did miss all of that. Made the adjustments and there is a noticeable difference. Will check out your reviews. And realized my sub is also blown. Looks like the upgrade is coming faster than I thought.
post #49866 of 51489
If your sub is blown, just go to "Speaker Config" menu in the GUI (under Speakers > Manual Setup) and set "Subwoofer" to NO. That will deactivate the sub output, and automatically set the Front speakers to "large" (since there is now no subwoofer to crossover to). All of the redirected bass from the other channels as well as LFE content will now route to the A5+2's and you will hear the full soundtrack.
post #49867 of 51489
BTW since you mentioned the grills, Audioholics provided detailed analysis of the effects of the grill in their measurements: http://www.audioholics.com/tower-speaker-reviews/energy-veritas-v-6.3-1/energy-veritas-v-6.3-measurements-analysis
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You are correct the RC 70 doesn't roll off at the high end but is really recessed in the low treble. This may contribute to the small loss in presence.
Edited by losservatore - 12/17/13 at 10:26pm
post #49869 of 51489
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I think somewhere around $200 would be a fair price. It's so rare that it's hard to judge the market since there isn't a big sample of data from which to judge.

The guy wont budge off $250

Im gonna let him sweat, I offered him $200..lol

if he moves it, my loss, but im hoping he will come down,

id meet him in the middle to be honest..

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On a good note,I bought the RC70's this evening, so gonna bring them home and demo them with the RTi A7's in my real environment, hope they sound as good or better as i remember they did..

post #49871 of 51489
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Originally Posted by HfxHiFi View Post

The guy wont budge off $250
Im gonna let him sweat, I offered him $200..lol
if he moves it, my loss, but im hoping he will come down,
id meet him in the middle to be honest..

There was a guy in the Bay Area who advertised a C-C3 for $275 on craigslist at the beginning of the year. Two months later he dropped it to $160 and two weeks after that it was $140. I think the final selling price was $120 but the whole price reduction took a total of 3 months or maybe a little more. I was ready to buy at $120 but someone beat me to it. mad.gif I didn't need it but figured with all the RC Energy speakers I had, I'd find someway to use it. Or hold on to it until I found an AVSer to sell it to.

Oh well. I would have sold it for $130 plus shipping. Wish I had bought it to then resell to you.

I don't know what those things go for in Canada but $200 sounds like it would be fair.
Edited by afrogt - 12/9/13 at 5:30pm
post #49872 of 51489
Just a thought but I would like to upgrade to the v6.3 and have a pair of v5.2 in black and rosenut if anyone is interested. $200 each plus shipping if I can get them sold while the v6.3 are still on sale. Thanks.
post #49873 of 51489
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Originally Posted by mmbuckwa View Post

Just a thought but I would like to upgrade to the v6.3 and have a pair of v5.2 in black and rosenut if anyone is interested. $200 each plus shipping if I can get them sold while the v6.3 are still on sale. Thanks.
Do you have a third V5.2c that you are keeping to use with the V6.3s if you get them?
post #49874 of 51489
Yes.
post #49875 of 51489
What surrounds would go nicely with my current setup? Looking for more juice from the surrounds and a nice sub that won't be overtaken by my fronts.

Fronts A5+2.
Center RVS 1
Sides/Rear Take Classic
Sub Currently don't have a working sub.

I am not in a immediate need to upgrade, but wanted to keep my eyes open if a good deal came along. But after using my tv speakers for several years this is a huge upgrade. And thanks to BatPig and others for all the advice and helpful reviews.
post #49876 of 51489
RVSS surrounds would go with your system.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Energy-RVSS-B-1-Reference-Sound-Speakers-Made-in-Canada-Dual-Vent-/151178649611?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item2332f3200b

plenty of great subs out there, how much are you willing to spend?
post #49877 of 51489
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Originally Posted by mmbuckwa View Post

Just a thought but I would like to upgrade to the v6.3 and have a pair of v5.2 in black and rosenut if anyone is interested. $200 each plus shipping if I can get them sold while the v6.3 are still on sale. Thanks.



Hey someone very interested in my surrounds send me a message ,he wanted the piano blacks towers but he couldn't found the center ,then he change his mind to buy my whole setup in rosenut ,I will ask him and remind him that you have the black center that he was looking I think he really want the black speakers ,I will ask him.


Okay I found his post
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Originally Posted by tlopes View Post

I just came from Best Buy and really liked the sound of the CF-70's, but after shopping online, I found the Veritas 6.3's for $1000 on Amazon (even less than I'd pay for the 70's). Sure seems like a steal of a deal, but I need black (not rosenut) and can't seem to find the matching center channel speaker in black.

Here is his profile send him a message http://www.avsforum.com/u/7581711/tlopes
Edited by losservatore - 12/9/13 at 9:59pm
post #49878 of 51489
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

RVSS surrounds would go with your system.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Energy-RVSS-B-1-Reference-Sound-Speakers-Made-in-Canada-Dual-Vent-/151178649611?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item2332f3200b

plenty of great subs out there, how much are you willing to spend?

Another Bay Area guy nice.

RVSS looks good. Just wish I could hear them first. Also was rec'd Energy C2's by the person who sold me my center, but they are rare. He also said the C1 or C3 would be great as well.

Maybe use the RVSS for the rears and a C1.2.3 for the sides? Would that match well?

Looking to spend $300 for a sub.
post #49879 of 51489
He's just Italian wink.giftongue.gif

Seriously though he's a good guy, I think with the language barrier sometime he misjudges the intended tone of other peoples posts. He's actually very helpful and shares his experience frequently, just maybe a wee bit jumpy tongue.gif
post #49880 of 51489
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Originally Posted by johdtv View Post

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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

RVSS surrounds would go with your system.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Energy-RVSS-B-1-Reference-Sound-Speakers-Made-in-Canada-Dual-Vent-/151178649611?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item2332f3200b

plenty of great subs out there, how much are you willing to spend?

Another Bay Area guy nice.

RVSS looks good. Just wish I could hear them first. Also was rec'd Energy C2's by the person who sold me my center, but they are rare. He also said the C1 or C3 would be great as well.

Maybe use the RVSS for the rears and a C1.2.3 for the sides? Would that match well?

Looking to spend $300 for a sub.

It looks like you don't have your location info on your profile. That is helpful to have, the Bay Area is a wonderland of quality used speaker deals and I would scoped out craigslist for you if I had known. But now that we know I bet we can get some nice upgrades cheap. What part of the Bay?

Before we talk about specific models, let's back up a step. What's your overall budget for all speakers, not just the sub alone. We should think about it a a total system and allocate the money, not just assign X to the subwoofer in isolation.

Then some other key points are room size and approximate layout, and how you will be using the system (volume levels and content).
post #49881 of 51489
I Went ahead and bought th Energy CF-70 and CB-20 from best buy, but then I saw the sale at amazon for the veritas 6.3. is it a good idea to return the CF-70s and get the veritas , it cost a few 100 dollars more but if this is my oppurtunity to get them then i will go ahead and spend it. I like Energy's sound and i need all your advise on making this decision. I do see the black v5.2 are not availaable anywhere and I prefer the all black setup.


Also i hear they are on a close out, if so is it a good time time to get the Veritas before they are gone
post #49882 of 51489
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post


It looks like you don't have your location info on your profile. That is helpful to have, the Bay Area is a wonderland of quality used speaker deals and I would scoped out craigslist for you if I had known. But now that we know I bet we can get some nice upgrades cheap. What part of the Bay?

Before we talk about specific models, let's back up a step. What's your overall budget for all speakers, not just the sub alone. We should think about it a a total system and allocate the money, not just assign X to the subwoofer in isolation.

Then some other key points are room size and approximate layout, and how you will be using the system (volume levels and content).

Located in the East Bay.

1. Budget is $300-$400 for surround speakers (4). Hoping to find deals on CL. Using a Kenwood sub for now. But prioritizing sides and rears for surround over the sub.
2. Use. Will use mostly for watching sports (football, basketball) and movies.
3. Room size and approx layout. Current room size is 19 feet by 25 feet with 12 feet ceilings. (In the future might move into a bedroom to be used as a media room 12 feet by 18 feet with 10 foot ceilings.) Seating is approx 10 ft from center channel and 11 feet from fronts. Due to layout and lack of mounting space sides/rears are located by the couch in a tight half circle. If better speakers are found I'd try to reconfigure to optimize the sound.
post #49883 of 51489
anybody wants a speaker stands? i am giving away one pair of my speaker stands for free. Merry Christmas.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1487029/speakers-stands-for-free
post #49884 of 51489
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Originally Posted by sivavk View Post

I Went ahead and bought th Energy CF-70 and CB-20 from best buy, but then I saw the sale at amazon for the veritas 6.3. is it a good idea to return the CF-70s and get the veritas , it cost a few 100 dollars more but if this is my oppurtunity to get them then i will go ahead and spend it. I like Energy's sound and i need all your advise on making this decision. I do see the black v5.2 are not availaable anywhere and I prefer the all black setup.


Also i hear they are on a close out, if so is it a good time time to get the Veritas before they are gone

The Veritas speakers are a significant step up from the C's, not just in aound quality but also build quality and aesthetics. If you can afford the extra it's a smarter move as a long term investment.
post #49885 of 51489
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Originally Posted by sivavk View Post

I Went ahead and bought th Energy CF-70 and CB-20 from best buy, but then I saw the sale at amazon for the veritas 6.3. is it a good idea to return the CF-70s and get the veritas , it cost a few 100 dollars more but if this is my oppurtunity to get them then i will go ahead and spend it. I like Energy's sound and i need all your advise on making this decision. I do see the black v5.2 are not availaable anywhere and I prefer the all black setup.


Also i hear they are on a close out, if so is it a good time time to get the Veritas before they are gone


Read post #49883 is few post back, a guy wants to upgrade to the towers he have 5 centers and is selling 2 black centers..



Im also selling the surrounds for a lot less of the store sale.
Edited by losservatore - 12/10/13 at 12:14pm
post #49886 of 51489
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Originally Posted by johdtv View Post

Located in the East Bay.

1. Budget is $300-$400 for surround speakers (4). Hoping to find deals on CL. Using a Kenwood sub for now. But prioritizing sides and rears for surround over the sub.
2. Use. Will use mostly for watching sports (football, basketball) and movies.
3. Room size and approx layout. Current room size is 19 feet by 25 feet with 12 feet ceilings. (In the future might move into a bedroom to be used as a media room 12 feet by 18 feet with 10 foot ceilings.) Seating is approx 10 ft from center channel and 11 feet from fronts. Due to layout and lack of mounting space sides/rears are located by the couch in a tight half circle. If better speakers are found I'd try to reconfigure to optimize the sound.

Can you have towers for surrounds? Saw these Audissey 2+2 on Craigslist.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ele/4195227746.html
post #49887 of 51489
Good call Afro. It sounds like he's unable to wall mount surrounds so those will work nicely and be a perfect tonal match for his front speakers.

@johdtv - your room is over 5000 cu ft so don't shortchange the subwoofer. That's a big space to pressurize. If funds are limited now I might just snag those A2+2s for surrounds and go 5.1 for now. The bipolar dispersion should give a nice surround field even without back surrounds.

But maybe you can have your cake and it eat it too with a nice used subwoofer deal. Stay tuned.
post #49888 of 51489
Considering someone else on CL is selling the exact same speakers for $350/pr he should jump on the cheaper pair now!
post #49889 of 51489
I would like to get get the Black ones if you can tell me thir condition and how much more for shipping to Houston
post #49890 of 51489
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Originally Posted by mmbuckwa View Post

Just a thought but I would like to upgrade to the v6.3 and have a pair of v5.2 in black and rosenut if anyone is interested. $200 each plus shipping if I can get them sold while the v6.3 are still on sale. Thanks.

What is the condition of these and how mucha re you charging for shipping on these. i am in Houston
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