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Originally Posted by johnb4467 View Post

Yeah, from the grills they looked like the 2.2, not "i" series.
Really cool to see that finish ... I have rarely seen it, you only tend to see the piano black.
How can you tell they are the i version by the grill?
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Originally Posted by tang7969 View Post

How can you tell they are the i version by the grill?
i example
non-i example

i version have standard looking grills. Non-i version drivers appear to be protruding through the grill. I believe they are all 2-piece grills rather than the 1-piece i version.

I read somewhere that Energy's first batch of i version speakers did have the non-i grill though and of course grills and woofers can be replaced so it's not always cut and dry.
Edited by brendelac - 1/3/14 at 9:04pm
post #50343 of 51489
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

Don't worry aout trying to angle down your surrounds just because they are mounted pretty high.... A big part of the surrounds job is to provide the surround ambience throughout the room, which mounting high will definitely do... let your auto calibration do its thing and it will compensate level wise for the higher than normal mounting. But, when you think about it, that is exactly how an actual theater is set up.. with speakers mounted up quite high...

Thank you I will mount and see if it works well.
post #50344 of 51489
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Let's dig into the level difference between the L/R speaker for a bit. It MAY be normal based on room acoustics or it may be something wrong.

After calibrating with Audyssey, how far apart are the levels of the two speakers set? If it's more than a 2-3dB difference for ideintical speakers (even if not identical in terms of acoustic placement) that's a bit weird. If so, I would try physically swapping the speakers and re-running Audyssey (you only have to do 1 position to check levels). If the problem "follows" the speaker then you know it's not room acoustics and probably a defective driver or something.

Thanks for your response, I did not get a chance to look at the details yet but thanks for the top. I will check it tomorrow. Now when I think about it, in the past when I had take classics , I had the same happen where the calibration tone is louder on one side, don't remember it is a specific speaker. But then i enjoyed the sound and it was even. Also as you said the difference is only 2-3db then. I will calibrate it again when it's quiet and see what it does and then try switching them to see if it follows.
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Originally Posted by sivavk View Post

Thanks for your response, I did not get a chance to look at the details yet but thanks for the top. I will check it tomorrow. Now when I think about it, in the past when I had take classics , I had the same happen where the calibration tone is louder on one side, don't remember it is a specific speaker. But then i enjoyed the sound and it was even. Also as you said the difference is only 2-3db then. I will calibrate it again when it's quiet and see what it does and then try switching them to see if it follows.

Sorry my iPhone changed the language. I meant thanks for the tip in line 3.
post #50346 of 51489
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Originally Posted by brendelac View Post

i example
non-i example

i version have standard looking grills. Non-i version drivers appear to be protruding through the grill. I believe they are all 2-piece grills rather than the 1-piece i version.

I read somewhere that Energy's first batch of i version speakers did have the non-i grill though and of course grills and woofers can be replaced so it's not always cut and dry.
Thanks for the clarification. The guy on Ebay was trying to pass them off as the i version rolleyes.gif
post #50347 of 51489
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Let's dig into the level difference between the L/R speaker for a bit. It MAY be normal based on room acoustics or it may be something wrong.

After calibrating with Audyssey, how far apart are the levels of the two speakers set? If it's more than a 2-3dB difference for ideintical speakers (even if not identical in terms of acoustic placement) that's a bit weird. If so, I would try physically swapping the speakers and re-running Audyssey (you only have to do 1 position to check levels). If the problem "follows" the speaker then you know it's not room acoustics and probably a defective driver or something.

Batpig,
I checked the level and the difference is 0.5 db between the two towers, and the stereo imaging is good and as expected from the two speakers. The one that emitted a loud tone has .05 db and the other at 1db. So it seems to be within limits. I may have to recalibrate it as I didn't do a good job last time where people were talking on the phone on one side and it was not quiet.
Once again, thanks for your help; highly appreciated!

Thank you
Siva
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On a scale of 1-10 how much better are the Veritas Minis than my Take Classics?  Reason I ask is my classics sound pretty good/clear to me.  Just wondering what to expect when my minis arrive?

Thanks

Cheers

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Hearing (with your own ears) is believing…
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Raging : I think what you're going to get is more detail and definition. And since the woofers are kevlar woven, they are very rigid and less likely to distort from movement at high volumes. I think they are going to play clearer at louder levels than your takes.

All the parts used, from the crossover to the cabinet, are better. So you'll likely get a better overall sound. I personnally don't have the veritas fronts, but I do have the veritas 5.2c. And I like it a lot. I love him so much that he ( yeah, him, and he!!! he is a really important person to me lol) almost made me switch my 4x rc 70 setup for the veritas line...

I might be wrong, but these are my impressions. I'd give the veritas a solid 9, while your classics would be a 7.. But take it with a grain of salt, I'm not as seasoned as a lot of helpful people in here!
post #50351 of 51489
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Congrats on the sale! Definitely win win to pass on such a high value setup to someone who will appreciate it.

For a simple stereo setup, especially if he doesn't want the complexity of a modern unit with room correction, I would just look for a decent stereo receiver on Craigslist. Power should be a non factor honestly based on your description.

Thanks for the thoughts, batpig -- I passed them along to him.
Funny though -- I think he's already developing "the bug"...since then he's contacted me a couple times with questions (which I love to try and be helpful with), and now he's looking to build out a 5ch system. Makes me happy to know he's already starting with a really solid base!
He's actually interested in purchasing my 2.1e's as well, but since I'm using them (and the C6's are too deep), I've been keeping them for now. Is there any speaker you can think of that might serve as surrounds that would match my APS 5+2's / AC-300 center? I don't think that generation had the equivalent of the RVSS or V2.0R for wall mounting / low-profile?
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Originally Posted by Aarghon View Post

Raging : I think what you're going to get is more detail and definition. And since the woofers are kevlar woven, they are very rigid and less likely to distort from movement at high volumes. I think they are going to play clearer at louder levels than your takes.

All the parts used, from the crossover to the cabinet, are better. So you'll likely get a better overall sound. I personnally don't have the veritas fronts, but I do have the veritas 5.2c. And I like it a lot. I love him so much that he ( yeah, him, and he!!! he is a really important person to me lol) almost made me switch my 4x rc 70 setup for the veritas line...

I might be wrong, but these are my impressions. I'd give the veritas a solid 9, while your classics would be a 7.. But take it with a grain of salt, I'm not as seasoned as a lot of helpful people in here!

Aarghon

Thanks for the input.  I am going to use your scale as logrithmic, like how our ears perceive sound, and not linear. =)  Easier to convince the wife of the purchase.

BTW funny you called your speakers a "him"   I refer to mine as "her"  

Cheers

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Originally Posted by ragingmain View Post

Aarghon
Thanks for the input.  I am going to use your scale as logrithmic, like how our ears perceive sound, and not linear. =)  Easier to convince the wife of the purchase.
BTW funny you called your speakers a "him"   I refer to mine as "her"  
Cheers

Oh my, that would mean my ears are gay, sheesh biggrin.gif

Nah seriously , I've said "him" because of the gender of "center speaker" in french is masculine. In french we use genders to define a noun . A flower is feminine and would be said " UNE fleur" A truck is masculine, and is being said " UN" camion. Thus, a center speaker is masculine in french...

And my words are going to be used as a weapon against the infamous WAF? I couldn't be more pleased biggrin.gif
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What's up energy owners,

 

I'm just starting out on my home audio journey and the great reputation and price of the Take Classic setup has obviously caught my eye. Doing some research though, the aesthetic of the Veritas line has definitely grabbed my attention as well.

 

I haven't seen any websites selling the Veritas speakers as a set, only individually.

 

How much should I expect to spend on the Veritas set, and would the quality difference warrant the increase in price for a beginner?

 

I'm the type of person who would rather spend a little more in the beginning, vs upgrading a few months down the line if I begin craving more.

 

also, which type of receivers should I be looking into?

 

Thanks!

 

-jared

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Jared: if you are going to upgrade it in a couple of months anyway, why not spend the craving ( and you will crave the veritases if you like the takes for sure...), and the $$$ loss on the sale on your first equipment? Get the veritas straight away, and be a veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeryyy well equipped "beginner"... And that setup will last you for a long time, if you want it so . They are good enough for 99,9% of your needs! ( the remaining .1% is being kept for upgraditis cases.)
post #50356 of 51489
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Originally Posted by jrr90 View Post

What's up energy owners,

I'm just starting out on my home audio journey and the great reputation and price of the Take Classic setup has obviously caught my eye. Doing some research though, the aesthetic of the Veritas line has definitely grabbed my attention as well.

I haven't seen any websites selling the Veritas speakers as a set, only individually.

How much should I expect to spend on the Veritas set, and would the quality difference warrant the increase in price for a beginner?

I'm the type of person who would rather spend a little more in the beginning, vs upgrading a few months down the line if I begin craving more.

also, which type of receivers should I be looking into?

Thanks!

-jared

Hi Jared!

Well you're definitely asking the right questions! smile.gif
How 'high' up the Energy chain you want to go is definitely up to how critical you are going to be with what you are listening to. If you just enjoy a TV or a movie night that doesn't need to be obsessive-compuslive-amazing -- then the Take Classic setup might be what you are looking for. As a disclaimer ... I have not ever heard them -- but going off of what others write on here, they are a pretty nice package. Usually people will by the bundle WITHOUT the sub, and then get a nicer sub to go with it (if I recall correctly).
If you listen to a lot of music and value the high-detail and clarity...and / or really want to piece together a high end home-theater system -- moving up to a Veritas set would definitely not be a bad choice. Albeit a much more expensive one. Another disclaimer: I haven't heard the 'newer' Veritas speakers, either. All my stuff is vintage, lol.

Speaking from personal experience, you may save yourself many-a-upgrade by just spending some more money out the gate (like you mentioned). I HAVE sold off all my extra speakers at near what I originally bought them for, but it took a good while to get what I felt they were worth, so you have to be patient if you want to 'work up the ranks'. Thankfully I wasn't hurting for the money, so I could take my time in reselling them. By doing so, I think I also got to really have fun trying out the different speakers, learn a lot along the way, and meet some really good people (all but one of the people I bought / sold from were wonderful experiences). Still though, it would have been nice to just 'be done', or 'much nearer' to 'done' from the get-go. wink.gif

Also worth mentioning though -- I bought everything 'used' on craigslist, so I was able to keep costs relatively low that way.

You are right though -- the Veritas don't really come in sets anymore. They've been discontinued, along with the RC line. You would have to piece together a set over time, unless you got lucky and found someone selling an entire set -- which there may be some on here.

As for a receiver though, thankfully the newer Veritas are very efficient speakers, so they don't need loads of power. I don't really know specifics to mention, but a lot of people on here are fans of Denon...though I know some other on here are enjoying their Marantz units. I hear Onkyo, Yamaha, and Pioneer occasionally, but not as much as the first two. Again though, ask around...I'm not an expert on that subject by any means.

Overall though, maybe list your listening habits & room space so that others can give you educated guesses on what setup would fit your needs:
what is the ratio of movies-to-music you listen / watch?
how big is your listening space?
Stuff like that will help a lot. smile.gif

And...hopefully the above helped out a bit as well. smile.gif

John
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Originally Posted by Aarghon View Post

Jared: if you are going to upgrade it in a couple of months anyway, why not spend the craving ( and you will crave the veritases if you like the takes for sure...), and the $$$ loss on the sale on your first equipment? Get the veritas straight away, and be a veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeryyy well equipped "beginner"... And that setup will last you for a long time, if you want it so . They are good enough for 99,9% of your needs! ( the remaining .1% is being kept for upgraditis cases.)

Thanks for the quick reply! Saving the $$ from having to upgrade a few months down the line is definitely making me lean towards the veritas set from the get go...

 

Thank you for the input!

 

 

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Originally Posted by johnb4467 View Post


Hi Jared!

Well you're definitely asking the right questions! smile.gif
How 'high' up the Energy chain you want to go is definitely up to how critical you are going to be with what you are listening to. If you just enjoy a TV or a movie night that doesn't need to be obsessive-compuslive-amazing -- then the Take Classic setup might be what you are looking for. As a disclaimer ... I have not ever heard them -- but going off of what others write on here, they are a pretty nice package. Usually people will by the bundle WITHOUT the sub, and then get a nicer sub to go with it (if I recall correctly).
If you listen to a lot of music and value the high-detail and clarity...and / or really want to piece together a high end home-theater system -- moving up to a Veritas set would definitely not be a bad choice. Albeit a much more expensive one. Another disclaimer: I haven't heard the 'newer' Veritas speakers, either. All my stuff is vintage, lol.

Speaking from personal experience, you may save yourself many-a-upgrade by just spending some more money out the gate (like you mentioned). I HAVE sold off all my extra speakers at near what I originally bought them for, but it took a good while to get what I felt they were worth, so you have to be patient if you want to 'work up the ranks'. Thankfully I wasn't hurting for the money, so I could take my time in reselling them. By doing so, I think I also got to really have fun trying out the different speakers, learn a lot along the way, and meet some really good people (all but one of the people I bought / sold from were wonderful experiences). Still though, it would have been nice to just 'be done', or 'much nearer' to 'done' from the get-go. wink.gif

Also worth mentioning though -- I bought everything 'used' on craigslist, so I was able to keep costs relatively low that way.

You are right though -- the Veritas don't really come in sets anymore. They've been discontinued, along with the RC line. You would have to piece together a set over time, unless you got lucky and found someone selling an entire set -- which there may be some on here.

As for a receiver though, thankfully the newer Veritas are very efficient speakers, so they don't need loads of power. I don't really know specifics to mention, but a lot of people on here are fans of Denon...though I know some other on here are enjoying their Marantz units. I hear Onkyo, Yamaha, and Pioneer occasionally, but not as much as the first two. Again though, ask around...I'm not an expert on that subject by any means.

Overall though, maybe list your listening habits & room space so that others can give you educated guesses on what setup would fit your needs:
what is the ratio of movies-to-music you listen / watch?
how big is your listening space?
Stuff like that will help a lot. smile.gif

And...hopefully the above helped out a bit as well. smile.gif

John

 

John,

 

Wow! Thank you for the very informative reply!

 

As for my plans for the set, I plan on connecting it with my current sonos play:1 and play:5 speakers that I keep in my bedroom/kitchen/bathroom and using it for music on a daily basis. If you've ever heard the Sonos speakers before, that's the sound quality I'm aiming for (not sure how Sonos compares to these big names, but it's safe to say I'd be content with a set that sounds as good as them)

 

I'm a bit of a bargain hunter myself, and have spent some times on CL/eBay and will be on the lookout for good deals!!

 

Thanks again for the great reply.

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Hello people!

Received wallmounting brackets , I want to mount my energy rc minis to height position. Thought the bracket would work, but the screws seem too short... I could hang it from a single hole, but doing it so would be a bad idea, the "cup" where the mounting screw could go looks like it wants to push out from downforce... I figured I could use the 2 screws option, but those damn binding posts are too close to each other , and I can't use 2 holes.

I can't find official rc mini brackets, and what's available in stores here doesn't see to fit... And clamping brackets are too big for the width of my speakers mad.gif

Any good samaritan had the same problem than me and could share what bracket / solution he used?

Thanks in advance, and have a nice day!

@Jared: My pleasure smile.gif
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hello, this is my first time here, and i am ready to build my HT. i need some of youre knowledge interms of which speakers are best for me for mostly HT movies Blue-rays.99% movies, some daily tv shows direct tv, and no music at all. so far i have 2 choices in mind that i can get a good prices on used market which are ENERGY RC 70 AND ENERGY RC LCR, AND ALSO KLIPSCH RF82II AND KLIPSCH RC62II.
 
so far i listened to my friend his energy speakers which is sound great. but i never listen to klipcsh speakers, which i can read from here that klipsch speakers are much better for HT movies. please guide me which from the two of them i can get for my 1st HT set up 3.0 for now.
 
thanks,
Marikong.
post #50360 of 51489
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Originally Posted by ragingmain View Post

On a scale of 1-10 how much better are the Veritas Minis than my Take Classics?  Reason I ask is my classics sound pretty good/clear to me.  Just wondering what to expect when my minis arrive?
Thanks
Cheers
I am interested in your feedback once you set it up. I have a room where i want to go for these Minis instead of the towers.
post #50361 of 51489
I've had Takes and RC Mini's at the same time and the RC Mini's are clearly better to me. More bass, bigger driver, better clarity and better build quality. So I'd expect the V Minis to be the same.

On your 1-10 scale does 2 mean they're twice as good and 10 mean 10 times as good? That would be hard to quantify.
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Originally Posted by marikong View Post

hello, this is my first time here, and i am ready to build my HT. i need some of youre knowledge interms of which speakers are best for me for mostly HT movies Blue-rays.99% movies, some daily tv shows direct tv, and no music at all. so far i have 2 choices in mind that i can get a good prices on used market which are ENERGY RC 70 AND ENERGY RC LCR, AND ALSO KLIPSCH RF82II AND KLIPSCH RC62II.
 
so far i listened to my friend his energy speakers which is sound great. but i never listen to klipcsh speakers, which i can read from here that klipsch speakers are much better for HT movies. please guide me which from the two of them i can get for my 1st HT set up 3.0 for now.
 
thanks,
Marikong.

I think your best bet is to find a place to listen to the Klipsch speakers, see if you like them.

As I've heard, Klipsch speakers are bright and detailed. The sound that you hear may be more detailed and sharp due to the design and the horn tweeter, but may be more fatiguing on the ear than the Energy speakers which are more apt to be neutral.

All of this only matters to the owner, since some people like bright speakers and others like more neutral. I fall into the second group, so I like my Energy speakers quite a bit.

If you have a Klipsch dealer near you and can get to audition them, bring a favorite movie and some CDs that you like, see if the result is something you enjoy.

They are very different speakers. The Klipsch's have a higher sensitivity (98db) vs. the RC 70's 92 db, but unless you're going to be driving them at mind crushing volumes (which you may), that won't make a lot of difference.

It comes down to whether you like a bright and detailed presentation (Klipsch) with some possibility of fatigue, or a more neutral and warm sound.
post #50363 of 51489
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Originally Posted by sivavk View Post


I am interested in your feedback once you set it up. I have a room where i want to go for these Minis instead of the towers.

I had the chance yesterday to go to my local worstbuy, only place I could find with Energy on display, and listened to the CB20.  I can say it is much fuller/better than my take classics.  If that is any indication on how the veritas will sound I am excited.

 

Since I have a projector I am seriously considering using center speakers for the L/R as well as the center.  they would mount nicely above my screen and not look to obtrusive.  This way I can use all 4 bookshelfs in the surround positions.

 

I will keep you updated when I get them.

 

Cheers

post #50364 of 51489
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

I've had Takes and RC Mini's at the same time and the RC Mini's are clearly better to me. More bass, bigger driver, better clarity and better build quality. So I'd expect the V Minis to be the same.

On your 1-10 scale does 2 mean they're twice as good and 10 mean 10 times as good? That would be hard to quantify.

No my scale is not really logrithmic.  I was just being silly and using it on the WAF for justification for the purchase. :)

post #50365 of 51489
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Originally Posted by Aarghon View Post

Hello people!

Received wallmounting brackets , I want to mount my energy rc minis to height position. Thought the bracket would work, but the screws seem too short... I could hang it from a single hole, but doing it so would be a bad idea, the "cup" where the mounting screw could go looks like it wants to push out from downforce... I figured I could use the 2 screws option, but those damn binding posts are too close to each other , and I can't use 2 holes.

I can't find official rc mini brackets, and what's available in stores here doesn't see to fit... And clamping brackets are too big for the width of my speakers mad.gif

Any good samaritan had the same problem than me and could share what bracket / solution he used?

Thanks in advance, and have a nice day!

@Jared: My pleasure smile.gif

So, the original RC-mini brackets did not come with your speakers? There were replacements available direct from Energy a while back... don't know if they are anymore though... RC-Mini part # 7FXRCMINICS

You should also ask if they happen to have any extra V-mini brackets too... they should be identical.....
post #50366 of 51489
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

So, the original RC-mini brackets did not come with your speakers? There were replacements available direct from Energy a while back... don't know if they are anymore though... RC-Mini part # 7FXRCMINICS

You should also ask if they happen to have any extra V-mini brackets too... they should be identical.....

I personally didn't care for the brackets that came with my V-mini's. I had them mounted on the wall angled slightly downward an no matter what they would sag over time. I ended up getting some from Monoprice that haven't moved a hair in over a year.
post #50367 of 51489
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Originally Posted by ragingmain View Post

I had the chance yesterday to go to my local worstbuy, only place I could find with Energy on display, and listened to the CB20.  I can say it is much fuller/better than my take classics.  If that is any indication on how the veritas will sound I am excited.

Since I have a projector I am seriously considering using center speakers for the L/R as well as the center.  they would mount nicely above my screen and not look to obtrusive.  This way I can use all 4 bookshelfs in the surround positions.

I will keep you updated when I get them.

Cheers

Dont expect the v-mini's to sound as full as the CB-20's. The CB-20's are a full size bookshelf speaker with a 6.5" woofer and much bigger cabinet. But the v-mini's should be on par with clarity and detail, and will be a bit fuller than the take classics.
post #50368 of 51489
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Originally Posted by deano86 View Post

So, the original RC-mini brackets did not come with your speakers? There were replacements available direct from Energy a while back... don't know if they are anymore though... RC-Mini part # 7FXRCMINICS

You should also ask if they happen to have any extra V-mini brackets too... they should be identical.....

Thanks for the idea Deano, might try it if I can't find them anywhere! And no, unluckily, when I bought my mini rc's, they didn't have the brackets... But at the price I,ve got them, I cannot complain too much hehe!

@tcramer : which monoprice bracket did you use?
post #50369 of 51489
So my dad has C-7s and a LCR but I recently found a C-C3 on the used market in great condition and a reasonable price tag ($360 shipped). I know the C-C3 is the direct predecessor of the LCR but I am wondering if it'd be worth it to replace the LCR in favor of C-C3? or is it a close enough match not to bother?

I'm just really curious how they would stack up because the LCR has a superior tweeter (although to be honest those "C" series are pretty close), but the C-C3 has larger drivers.
post #50370 of 51489
Man. How much does your dad care? Does he even notice a timbre mismatch with the current setup?
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