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post #50941 of 51527
The picture helps a lot. I can understand a lot more about the limitations you are dealing with.

Let's back up a step -- I thought you were buying speakers for a new setup, and I didn't realize you already had a complete 5.1 setup currently. So let me ask, after calibrating with the 818, what do YOU find lacking currently? What are you trying to upgrade exactly? Do you just want to expand with more speakers (i.e. wides and a surround back) to take advantage of the capabilities of your receiver? If you are happy with the V-Mini's as currently setup, I would just keep rolling with it.

Do you have any issues with the current asymmetry? It looks like the screen is off center to the right, and the left front speakers is spread wider than the right?

Just as a side note, given the 17ft distance it's going to be tough to meet the exact DSX angle specifications for the speakers. Is there any way you can get a bit closer to the screen? For example, playing around with an online trig calculator, if you placed the new L/R speakers just outside the edge of the PJ screen, they'd be about 8-9 feet apart. Even generously giving them a 10ft spread, that only works out to a +/- 16 degree separation on the front mains at 17ft.

Even if you placed them slightly forward of the screen so you had, say, a 15 foot distance from the plane of the speakers to the listening position, that's about a +/- 18 degree spread. Basically, I wouldn't place them that much narrower than you currently have them set, and then you'd have to bring the "wide" speakers forward quite a bit to get close to the recommended 60 degree +/- spacing. Obvioulsy you don't have to be exactly perfect, but ideally you could get within 10 degrees or so of the recommendations. If you intend to move them forward as "wides", assuming a 15 foot separation laterally, you'd probably want them to be at minimum half-way between you and the screen in terms of the length dimension (i.e. maybe 7 feet forward and 7-8 feet out to each side).

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This brings me to my question about the DT speakers. From reading about them and seeing the Bass Reflex radiator ports on the sides it seems as if it would have better bass than the V Minis but I cant be sure. The specs for the DT go down to 47Hz, while the V mini is at 78 Hz. At least on paper they are lower. Any input? Of course you nailed it about smaller speakers and that is why I am looking for the best bang for the buck.

Be aware that DT is notoriously generous in their freq response specs. They don't actually quote the standard -3dB spec as do most other manufacturers, most think it's the -10dB point or some other measure of absolute "usable" response. They call it "total frequency response" but who knows that that actually means. The PC 1000 has 4.5" woofers like the Energy V-Mini's, there is NO WAY that they can produce usable bass down into the 40's, let alone below the 80's.

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As to your point in bold. After talking to the nice guys at Crutchfield I was led to belive that DT and Energy were closely matched in terms of timbre, etc and that is fine to mix these brands. Was I led astray?

Well, I guess it all depends on how picky you are. Based on my experience they aren't DRAMATICALLY different, but they are different enough that I wouldn't want to mix and match across the front soundstage. They'd probably be fine for example to mix front with surrounds, but the coherence of the front speakers is pretty important for seamless immersion. So unless you have to I'd rather stick to one brand if possible.
post #50942 of 51527
Also, sorry, one more point: while the Take Classic sub is decent, it's a 8" sub and is not really suitable for full HT effects in a room that size (looks like around 15x20 or so?). If I were in your position, a subwoofer upgrade would be on the top of my priority list. I don't know if you can fit an SVS PB-1000 in there under the stairs or not, but if not then the SB-1000 (the smaller sealed version) would still be a pretty massive upgrade.
post #50943 of 51527
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Originally Posted by JKR1963 View Post

Thanks for the suggestion.........I am not close........6 or 7 hrs North of the Border. I will have to get one another way if I still want it.

I can't see how there can be a restriction........I might phone Fry's and Energy (to see if it is true and why?) about this. Energy dealers in Canada are not losing any sales at all (maybe they want to protect Klipsch sales......I would never go for Klipsch because I can't get an Energy).
I emailed them when their flyer first came out and was given the same response. There maybe another option for you. Some places that let you ship your US purchases to them to be picked up also offer package forwarding services. The one that I know of for sure is Package Express in Sumas WA.

http://www.packageexpress.com/

click on rates, then forwarding rates to Canada. It's not cheap, but it's an option. No idea if their prices include duty, brokerage etc.
post #50944 of 51527

Hello all,

  Just thought I would post,as I am a Energy owner.  I have had the cc-10,and 2-cb-10's for a couple years now,but have just purchased 2-cf-70's to start my media room. Going 5.1,but may go to a 9.2 receiver so I can have 7.1 surround sound. Nothing but love from me with the speaker quality and sound. I cannot wait to be able to see how these speakers perform in a media viewing situation.

post #50945 of 51527
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Originally Posted by dlamb83 View Post

Hello all,
  Just thought I would post,as I am a Energy owner.  I have had the cc-10,and 2-cb-10's for a couple years now,but have just purchased 2-cf-70's to start my media room. Going 5.1,but may go to a 9.2 receiver so I can have 7.1 surround sound. Nothing but love from me with the speaker quality and sound. I cannot wait to be able to see how these speakers perform in a media viewing situation.

Go for the more capable AVR with ability for expansion, before you know it your entire room will be filled with speakers! Especially with more subs!
post #50946 of 51527
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Originally Posted by grizimes View Post


Go for the more capable AVR with ability for expansion, before you know it your entire room will be filled with speakers! Especially with more subs!

I am. I am currently looking at the Harmon Kardon Avr 3700. Which is a 7.2 with multi room.Posted on forum that my wife would like to listen to music in the house if I am in the media room. Trying to see what in wall speakers would be good for music listening.I may opt for a 9.2 receiver though. I have not decided if I would go with 4-8 inch subs in media room or just go with 2-10 or 2-12 inch subs in opposite corners.

post #50947 of 51527
If you can afford it, the Denon AVR-X4000 is a beast and probably the best receiver for the $$ on the market currently. It brings 9ch expansion potential (with an extra 2ch amp), top notch video processing with 4k passthrough and scaling, 3 zone capability, state of the art Audyssey MultEQ XT32 calibration, and a whole bag of features.

If you want to be super future proof you might want to wait a few more months until the new generation of HDMI 2.0 receivers hit the streets, although that's something I don't really care about right now.
post #50948 of 51527
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The picture helps a lot. I can understand a lot more about the limitations you are dealing with.

Let's back up a step -- I thought you were buying speakers for a new setup, and I didn't realize you already had a complete 5.1 setup currently. So let me ask, after calibrating with the 818, what do YOU find lacking currently? What are you trying to upgrade exactly? Do you just want to expand with more speakers (i.e. wides and a surround back) to take advantage of the capabilities of your receiver? If you are happy with the V-Mini's as currently setup, I would just keep rolling with it.

Do you have any issues with the current asymmetry? It looks like the screen is off center to the right, and the left front speakers is spread wider than the right?

Just as a side note, given the 17ft distance it's going to be tough to meet the exact DSX angle specifications for the speakers. Is there any way you can get a bit closer to the screen? For example, playing around with an online trig calculator, if you placed the new L/R speakers just outside the edge of the PJ screen, they'd be about 8-9 feet apart. Even generously giving them a 10ft spread, that only works out to a +/- 16 degree separation on the front mains at 17ft.

Even if you placed them slightly forward of the screen so you had, say, a 15 foot distance from the plane of the speakers to the listening position, that's about a +/- 18 degree spread. Basically, I wouldn't place them that much narrower than you currently have them set, and then you'd have to bring the "wide" speakers forward quite a bit to get close to the recommended 60 degree +/- spacing. Obvioulsy you don't have to be exactly perfect, but ideally you could get within 10 degrees or so of the recommendations. If you intend to move them forward as "wides", assuming a 15 foot separation laterally, you'd probably want them to be at minimum half-way between you and the screen in terms of the length dimension (i.e. maybe 7 feet forward and 7-8 feet out to each side).
Be aware that DT is notoriously generous in their freq response specs. They don't actually quote the standard -3dB spec as do most other manufacturers, most think it's the -10dB point or some other measure of absolute "usable" response. They call it "total frequency response" but who knows that that actually means. The PC 1000 has 4.5" woofers like the Energy V-Mini's, there is NO WAY that they can produce usable bass down into the 40's, let alone below the 80's.
Well, I guess it all depends on how picky you are. Based on my experience they aren't DRAMATICALLY different, but they are different enough that I wouldn't want to mix and match across the front soundstage. They'd probably be fine for example to mix front with surrounds, but the coherence of the front speakers is pretty important for seamless immersion. So unless you have to I'd rather stick to one brand if possible.

I was "happy" with the Take Classics but I knew I could do better.  There was a deal on this website for the V Minis for $300 so I picked them up.  I am very happy with the V minis as there is much better bass response, clearer at louder volumes.  Plus our boys like to watch TV late at night and the living room is directly under our bedroom.  With the bigger speakers they can listen at lower volumes and still hear.  I also read on this forum that using the centers as L/R is an awesome way to open up the sound stage.

 

Yes the screen is off center right, cant go much further left or it gets in the way of people coming in.  I am going to slowly move it a couple of inches a day so no one really notices and get it about a foot to the left.:cool:  Yes because of the screen the left speaker is further out than the right.

 

The actual distance to the screen is just over 12 feet.  My previous measurment was the room size.  So yes I am getting closer to the screen and getting a wider angle than anticipated.  Which is good for the L/R, it puts them at +/- 23* if I set them at 10' apart.  Not too bad.

 

Here is my reasoning, whether it is good or bad oh well.

We throw a lot of get togethers each year, Sporting events, Movie nights, Birthdays, Holidays and the one thing everyone wants to do is watch an awesome movie with lots of surround sound, explosions, etc.  

I just want to widen the sound stage a bit so as much as possible everyone has a good seat in the house.

We just hosted the Super Bowl and had 40 people over.  Honestly the 5 speakers were barely enough to compete with all the extraneous noise of the party.  As you can see I cant put in towers and to keep it clean they need to stay on the ceiling. (WAF)  She pretty much allows me to do what I need to in order to sound good, she likes movies too.

 

I was supicious of the DT claim for the reason you pointed out.  The drivers are the same size.  It seemed weird to me they could go lower but I dont know enough about speaker construction to say yay or nay.

 

I will be upgrading the sub soon.  Thank you for your recommendations with my setup.  They will be at the top of my list.  I see that one is ported and one is sealed.  Considering it is under my stairs should I go with sealed to help prevent the boomy sound?

 

Also I was toying with the fact of putting my Take Classic center and putting it in the cabinet so it will be coming from bottom and top of the screen.  Any reason to not at least try this?  Current issues with the AVR?  Not enough signal going to either?  They would be in series, not parallel.  I was thinking about not telling anyone and see if they could tell.

 

And...One last question.  I am having a difficult time finding V Mini centers.  If I was to use the Veritas Center (regualar size) as the center with two V minis as L/R I am hoping they will still be matched considering they are the same brand and same line?

 

Once again appreciate all the time and effort in helping me dial this in.  You are a scholar and a gentleman.

 

Cheers


Edited by ragingmain - 2/10/14 at 6:17pm
post #50949 of 51527
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

If you can afford it, the Denon AVR-X4000 is a beast and probably the best receiver for the $$ on the market currently. It brings 9ch expansion potential (with an extra 2ch amp), top notch video processing with 4k passthrough and scaling, 3 zone capability, state of the art Audyssey MultEQ XT32 calibration, and a whole bag of features.

If you want to be super future proof you might want to wait a few more months until the new generation of HDMI 2.0 receivers hit the streets, although that's something I don't really care about right now.

Thanks for the info on the Denon. Price isn't much of a bother for me. That receiver looks like something I may be interested in. The only question I have is,I was under the impression that using splitters for speaker was a bad thing? I see from the pics that the Denon has only 1 input per zone. So 1 speaker per zone 1 red and 1 white. I have always been hesitant to use a splitter, cause I have heard of them being counterproductive for sound.

post #50950 of 51527
i have a question, I know that its hard to compare floorstanders to bookies, but can anyone compare the RC 70 with Ascend acoustics Sierra stock.. Would it be an upgrade?
post #50951 of 51527
Last year during Presidents weekend I got the RC-70's for $299 each from Fry's. Presidents weekend is coming up again. Wonder if they'll be putting the RC-70's on sale? They currently the RC-10s and LCR on sale so it wouldn't be a surprise if the RC-70 is next.
post #50952 of 51527
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

If you can afford it, the Denon AVR-X4000 is a beast and probably the best receiver for the $$ on the market currently. It brings 9ch expansion potential (with an extra 2ch amp), top notch video processing with 4k passthrough and scaling, 3 zone capability, state of the art Audyssey MultEQ XT32 calibration, and a whole bag of features.


If you want to be super future proof you might want to wait a few more months until the new generation of HDMI 2.0 receivers hit the streets, although that's something I don't really care about right now.
Thanks for the info on the Denon. Price isn't much of a bother for me. That receiver looks like something I may be interested in. The only question I have is,I was under the impression that using splitters for speaker was a bad thing? I see from the pics that the Denon has only 1 input per zone. So 1 speaker per zone 1 red and 1 white. I have always been hesitant to use a splitter, cause I have heard of them being counterproductive for sound.

If money isn't a huge factor then I would suggest you return the CF-70s and jump on the RC series deals at Frys. The RC series is quite a step forward and the sale pricing makes them only slightly more expensive than the C's.

I'm not use what you mean by "1 input per zone" but the X4000 works like nearly any other 7 amp receiver. 5 amps are locked into main zone and 2 are assignable, either running a stereo zone 2 or a single mono speaker in each of zones 2 and 3. That's the traditional "5+2" setup. If you expand beyond 5 channels in the main zone, or if you want to run more than a couple of speakers in other zones, then you would feed other zones via the RCA pre outs to external amplification. The X4000 also has an independent HDMI zone pass through output so you could feed another HDMI receiver or display in a different room with one set of sources.

Similarly, with 7 amps built in, to expand to 9 channels you would need another 2 channels minimum of external amplification.

The Marantz 7008 is built on the same platform but has 9 amps built in. Otherwise it is very similar.

The Denon 4520ci is even more powerful and has 9 amps built in but can also expand to a full 11ch setup adding external amps.
post #50953 of 51527
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post


If money isn't a huge factor then I would suggest you return the CF-70s and jump on the RC series deals at Frys. The RC series is quite a step forward and the sale pricing makes them only slightly more expensive than the C's.

I'm not use what you mean by "1 input per zone" but the X4000 works like nearly any other 7 amp receiver. 5 amps are locked into main zone and 2 are assignable, either running a stereo zone 2 or a single mono speaker in each of zones 2 and 3. That's the traditional "5+2" setup. If you expand beyond 5 channels in the main zone, or if you want to run more than a couple of speakers in other zones, then you would feed other zones via the RCA pre outs to external amplification. The X4000 also has an independent HDMI zone pass through output so you could feed another HDMI receiver or display in a different room with one set of sources.

Similarly, with 7 amps built in, to expand to 9 channels you would need another 2 channels minimum of external amplification.

The Marantz 7008 is built on the same platform but has 9 amps built in. Otherwise it is very similar.

The Denon 4520ci is even more powerful and has 9 amps built in but can also expand to a full 11ch setup adding external amps.


Sorry for that confusion. I was going by the back of the receiver. The Harmon Kardon shows the multi zone inputs on the the back along with the other speakers,and shoes 1 additional multi zone rca's. I overlooked it on the Denon and just saw it had 1 red,and 1 white rca for multi zones. My bad. I like the rc series,but I got the cf 70 for 350 per speaker. I like the current set up. I just need a good receiver and pick some subs to be happy. I am not looking for most expensive or whats new. Just looking for something nice,and entertaining.

post #50954 of 51527
fnqmw-4317573565@sale.craigslist.org

Here are some real nice looking speakers, a rosenut RCLCR and RC-10.
post #50955 of 51527
My link doesn't work but there is a pair of rosenut rc-10 and a rosenut RCLCR in like new condition for $500 on craigslist in Coopersburg,PA. Buyer says cash and carry only. Someone should get there soon.
post #50956 of 51527
The rosenut RCLCR and rc-10 are in the Allentown, PA craigslist listing and have been there for a week. I don't have room for these but someone should jump on this.
post #50957 of 51527
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fnqmw-4317573565@sale.craigslist.org

Here are some real nice looking speakers, a rosenut RCLCR and RC-10.
http://allentown.craigslist.org/ele/4317573565.html
post #50958 of 51527
The RC-10s I ordered from Fry's should be here today. According to UPS tracking they are in town now. I doubt having an RC-10 for a center will be a big difference from the CC-5, but I always thought it would be cool to have all five matching and the price was right.
post #50959 of 51527
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Originally Posted by ragingmain View Post

I was "happy" with the Take Classics but I knew I could do better.  There was a deal on this website for the V Minis for $300 so I picked them up.  I am very happy with the V minis as there is much better bass response, clearer at louder volumes.  Plus our boys like to watch TV late at night and the living room is directly under our bedroom.  With the bigger speakers they can listen at lower volumes and still hear.  I also read on this forum that using the centers as L/R is an awesome way to open up the sound stage.

Sounds good. Honestly, the Def Tech Pro series speakers would probably be a lateral move from the V-Mini's at best. I think if you want to stay with smaller speakers but take a significant step forward in sound quality you'd have to spring for the higher end Mythos line, and even then (despite DT's goofy specs) you aren't going to get a ton more bass response. At the price point we are talking about, I don't think there are any small speakers that are going to be much better than the V-Mini's. So unless you want to expand budget and go with DT Mythos or something comparable, I would stay on the same track and just keep an eye out for two more V-Mini CC's, which as you know do sound fuller than the little bookshelf versions.

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Yes the screen is off center right, cant go much further left or it gets in the way of people coming in.  I am going to slowly move it a couple of inches a day so no one really notices and get it about a foot to the left.cool.gif   

That's the spirit! biggrin.gif I didn't think about people coming in because the screen was retracted, but that makes sense.

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The actual distance to the screen is just over 12 feet.  My previous measurment was the room size.  So yes I am getting closer to the screen and getting a wider angle than anticipated.  Which is good for the L/R, it puts them at +/- 23* if I set them at 10' apart.  Not too bad.

Good, 12 feet is much better and with a 106" screen should provide a pretty immersive viewing angle. If you can pull the V-Mini's up to where they are maybe half-way between you and the screen, and spread out to the width of the room, you should be in the ballpark of 50-60 degree separation.

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I will be upgrading the sub soon.  Thank you for your recommendations with my setup.  They will be at the top of my list.  I see that one is ported and one is sealed.  Considering it is under my stairs should I go with sealed to help prevent the boomy sound?

I would definitely not want a REAR ported subwoofer booming into the alcove, but I think a front-ported sub or sealed sub would be fine. Probably a bottom ported sub too. I suggested the SB-1000 because I wasn't sure if the PB-1000 would fit under there, but if it will then the larger ported version is capable of more output and depth / slam then the little sealed box, and again being front ported I wouldn't worry about the placement. But if the size is too restrictive for the big ported sub and you have a little wiggle room in the budget, stepping up another 100 bucks or so to the more powerful sealed subs would yield even more output and depth. The SB12-NSD is discontinued and replaced by the SB-2000, and you might find a good deal on the SB12 which would bring its price pretty close to the SB-1000.

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Also I was toying with the fact of putting my Take Classic center and putting it in the cabinet so it will be coming from bottom and top of the screen.  Any reason to not at least try this?  Current issues with the AVR?  Not enough signal going to either?  They would be in series, not parallel.  I was thinking about not telling anyone and see if they could tell.

In theory, dual centers is a bad idea not because of amplifier load per se, but because of the phase / cancellation issues with reproducing the same source from two very different physical positions. If you do try it, I certainly wouldn't mix the wimpier Take Classic center with the V-Mini.

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And...One last question.  I am having a difficult time finding V Mini centers.  If I was to use the Veritas Center (regualar size) as the center with two V minis as L/R I am hoping they will still be matched considering they are the same brand and same line?

I think that would work fine, but the Veritas V-5.2C is a pretty big speaker FYI.
post #50960 of 51527
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Originally Posted by Gmash View Post

The RC-10s I ordered from Fry's should be here today. According to UPS tracking they are in town now. I doubt having an RC-10 for a center will be a big difference from the CC-5, but I always thought it would be cool to have all five matching and the price was right.

Were they listed as instock when you ordered? OR were they on backorder?

thanks
post #50961 of 51527
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post


Sounds good. Honestly, the Def Tech Pro series speakers would probably be a lateral move from the V-Mini's at best. I think if you want to stay with smaller speakers but take a significant step forward in sound quality you'd have to spring for the higher end Mythos line, and even then (despite DT's goofy specs) you aren't going to get a ton more bass response. At the price point we are talking about, I don't think there are any small speakers that are going to be much better than the V-Mini's. So unless you want to expand budget and go with DT Mythos or something comparable, I would stay on the same track and just keep an eye out for two more V-Mini CC's, which as you know do sound fuller than the little bookshelf versions.
That's the spirit! biggrin.gif I didn't think about people coming in because the screen was retracted, but that makes sense.
Good, 12 feet is much better and with a 106" screen should provide a pretty immersive viewing angle. If you can pull the V-Mini's up to where they are maybe half-way between you and the screen, and spread out to the width of the room, you should be in the ballpark of 50-60 degree separation.
I would definitely not want a REAR ported subwoofer booming into the alcove, but I think a front-ported sub or sealed sub would be fine. Probably a bottom ported sub too. I suggested the SB-1000 because I wasn't sure if the PB-1000 would fit under there, but if it will then the larger ported version is capable of more output and depth / slam then the little sealed box, and again being front ported I wouldn't worry about the placement. But if the size is too restrictive for the big ported sub and you have a little wiggle room in the budget, stepping up another 100 bucks or so to the more powerful sealed subs would yield even more output and depth. The SB12-NSD is discontinued and replaced by the SB-2000, and you might find a good deal on the SB12 which would bring its price pretty close to the SB-1000.
In theory, dual centers is a bad idea not because of amplifier load per se, but because of the phase / cancellation issues with reproducing the same source from two very different physical positions. If you do try it, I certainly wouldn't mix the wimpier Take Classic center with the V-Mini.
I think that would work fine, but the Veritas V-5.2C is a pretty big speaker FYI.

Yeah, I like the V Minis.  I will stick with them.  We were watching a movie last night with a lot of music and they havent disappointed yet?

 

Will be keeping the V Mini C, all three of them, in line with the screen and pull the bookshelves forward for the better angle.  

 

No rear ported subwoofers in the alcove, no way =)

 

I was looking at the SVS subs and they have a huge frequency range.  I am a little confused.  When I do my Audyssey it has my fronts set up at 90hz, so everything below that is sent to the sub correct?  If so then do I need a sub with such a large range or one that is closer to what my other speakers are set to?  Reason I ask is i have been looking on Amazon and there is a Polk Audio PSW505 12-Inch Powered Subwoofer which has a range of 28hz-125hz.  Obviously this doesnt go as low as I would like, yet if I can find one that goes low and covers the range I need and isnt as expensive would that be a more economical choice?  Yes I realize this is all up to each individual.  Just wondering if I would ever use that much range on a sub?

 

Thanks again.

Cheers

post #50962 of 51527
Even if that won't probably won't be answered, I'm asking a question here simply because of the action this thread usually gets... And the fact that a lot of knowledgeable members come here....

I'm always reading about adding an amp to my receiver using the pre-amps. I'm looking for a good bang for your buck upgrade, and recently juggling with a lot of ideas... And adding a power amp is an idea that pops up often....

But... From what I'm understanding, adding a power amp amp basically "relieves" your receiver amps from powering your front stage, thus giving a cleaner sound. Buttttt.....

Now is my main question: If you have a good receiver, which is likely going to have enough power to drive relatively efficient speakers like the energy rc-70 (in stereo), would it be a wrong deduction to think that the only gain would be in home cinema? If the front stage can be powered enough to drive speakers at moderate volume ( which is my case ) wouldn't the only gain being driving slightly more available power to the rears?!?! I don't have a big room at all...

So, could it be resumed as raw as... I shouldn't buy a power amp at all?

Thanks in advance to those taking the time to light my lights up!
post #50963 of 51527
Unless you listen REALLY loud or have a combination of low sensitivity speakers and/or a large room, an external amplifier is a terrible bang for the buck upgrade. To get a really significant upgrade in power (e.g. at least 2x the power of your current amps) you are spending a big chunk of money (relative to the cost of a receiver or a speaker setup) for subtle gains at best.

Music vs. Cinema doesn't really matter, it's just a question of whether the current amplification allows you to cleanly achieve the volumes you desire or not.

The best bang for the buck would be improving room acoustics.

Now all of the above of course is a generalization, as there are setups out there that cannot be properly driven to the desired volume by the internal amps in a receiver... But the words "moderate volume" and "don't have a big room at all" indicate that a power amp is probably a waste of money for you.
post #50964 of 51527
Thanks for the input, mister! Makes a lot of sense!!

Don't know where to put my "desiring to be shelled out into upgrades" money... Rooms treatments have already been done, though not at a professional level. GIk acoustics seems to be a good way to spend free money though haha
post #50965 of 51527

Hey everyone. I am fairly new to audio, went from a a Panasonic HTIB to the Take Classic with a low end Yamaha receiver. I then upgraded the front stage to Polk 75Ts with a CS-20, with a Yamaha RX-A820 and got a SVS PB-1000 to round up the upgrade maybe 6 months ago. I really wanted to like this set up, and for HT it was good, but music left a lot to be desired.

 

I saw the Fry's deal on the RC-10s and always liked the highs on the Takes. After a little reading up on the RC-10s, I went to my local Fry's and bought 2 sets. The sales guy told me that the RC-70 was on sale for $399 and LCR was also on for $250. I was not sure if these were a good price, so I took the RC-10s home, and read some more. 

 

I am moving into a new place that has a game/media room where I want to set up a projector. I figure I can use the Polks and Takes and PB-1000 there, but the room where I will be listening to music is open concept and is 25x25x10, living/kitchen/breakfast. I figured the RC-10s may be a bit undersized, so I went back to Fry's and got the 70s and the LCR. I am giving one pair of the RC-10s away and keeping the other to do 5.1 in that room. I have also recently purchased a Yamaha RX-V773WA that was on sale at Newegg, since i knew I was going to need a second receiver.

 

My question is will the A820 be even remotely adequate for the RCs and a room of that size? I do like to listen loud, maybe once a month. I also will be purchasing another larger sub for this room. Maybe the PC12-Plus since I like some bass heavy electronica and want the low lows to be felt and heard :)

 

Thanks for the replies.

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Originally Posted by CarlosLehder View Post

Were they listed as instock when you ordered? OR were they on backorder?

thanks

They were in stock when I ordered. Unfortunately I missed the UPS guy by 10 minutes so they will make a second attempt tomorrow. They were on the truck since 8:45 this morning and didn't come by my house until 6PM.
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Even if that won't probably won't be answered, I'm asking a question here simply because of the action this thread usually gets... And the fact that a lot of knowledgeable members come here....

I'm always reading about adding an amp to my receiver using the pre-amps. I'm looking for a good bang for your buck upgrade, and recently juggling with a lot of ideas... And adding a power amp is an idea that pops up often....

But... From what I'm understanding, adding a power amp amp basically "relieves" your receiver amps from powering your front stage, thus giving a cleaner sound. Buttttt.....

Now is my main question: If you have a good receiver, which is likely going to have enough power to drive relatively efficient speakers like the energy rc-70 (in stereo), would it be a wrong deduction to think that the only gain would be in home cinema? If the front stage can be powered enough to drive speakers at moderate volume ( which is my case ) wouldn't the only gain being driving slightly more available power to the rears?!?! I don't have a big room at all...

So, could it be resumed as raw as... I shouldn't buy a power amp at all?

Thanks in advance to those taking the time to light my lights up!
I've mentioned a few times and am basically just echoing what batpig has just said, but I bought a used XPA-5 that I have tried with my second generation veritas speakers and my RCs and I do notice a difference, but it is modest and far from being worth the $750 that I shelled out (in my opinion of course). I think there are situations where an external amp would be a necessary, but not for most people. I had a Denon AVR-3312, bought the XPA-5, sold the 3312 and then bought a 4311 and now in hindsight, I think that even the 3312 on it's own was sufficient for my needs.

I still have the XPA-5 and probably should put it up for sale, but part of me thinks that since I've come this far, I should try a pre-amp to see what the two together can offer.
Edited by brendelac - 2/11/14 at 5:39pm
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Originally Posted by cyanic View Post

Hey everyone. I am fairly new to audio, went from a a Panasonic HTIB to the Take Classic with a low end Yamaha receiver. I then upgraded the front stage to Polk 75Ts with a CS-20, with a Yamaha RX-A820 and got a SVS PB-1000 to round up the upgrade maybe 6 months ago. I really wanted to like this set up, and for HT it was good, but music left a lot to be desired.

I saw the Fry's deal on the RC-10s and always liked the highs on the Takes. After a little reading up on the RC-10s, I went to my local Fry's and bought 2 sets. The sales guy told me that the RC-70 was on sale for $399 and LCR was also on for $250. I was not sure if these were a good price, so I took the RC-10s home, and read some more. 

I am moving into a new place that has a game/media room where I want to set up a projector. I figure I can use the Polks and Takes and PB-1000 there, but the room where I will be listening to music is open concept and is 25x25x10, living/kitchen/breakfast. I figured the RC-10s may be a bit undersized, so I went back to Fry's and got the 70s and the LCR. I am giving one pair of the RC-10s away and keeping the other to do 5.1 in that room. I have also recently purchased a Yamaha RX-V773WA that was on sale at Newegg, since i knew I was going to need a second receiver.

My question is will the A820 be even remotely adequate for the RCs and a room of that size? I do like to listen loud, maybe once a month. I also will be purchasing another larger sub for this room. Maybe the PC12-Plus since I like some bass heavy electronica and want the low lows to be felt and heard smile.gif

Thanks for the replies.

25 x 25 x 10 is a pretty good sized room. It just depends how loud you plan to listen. The RX-A820 and RX-V773 have about the same power but they also have a full set of preamp outputs in case you want to add an external amp for even more power. Having a nice sub in there will also take pressure off the receiver to produce the lower frequencies which will help. Your and my definition of "loud" may be different. All you can do is experiment and if you do need more power just add an amp.
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Thanks brendelac, useful insight for my situation!
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I think I'm going to hold out and hope frys drops the price of the rc-70s on presidents day weekend. I'd love to pick up two more. Already got the blessing from the wife if the drop to at least $400.
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