Energy Owners Thread - Page 239

they are just packaging, throw 'em away.


please keep us updated on the C-R100's, as you found they are a bit under-reviewed...

7.1 is WAY overkill for that small of a room


"at least"???? I would say "at most" unless you are a hardcore bass freak


In general, one good sub is better than two cheap subs. At that price range, a $200 sub like the PA-120 is definitely more than twice as good as an ESW-8. The ESW-8 has poor low end extension (like 35Hz or something) and if you want real HT impact you need more extension and output.

That being said -- in a room that small, I bet two ESW-8's would rock the house. You should head to the sub forum and seek advice for your room size, no need to stick to Energy subs.

I'm only running 5.1 but I liked having a 12" sub in my 10x11... I do listen to a lot of rap/hip hop though so I guess I am a bass freak. Love making the license plates on my shelf rattle haha.

I rooted for the Chargers post season btw.. Rivers looked much better this year! And LT was still sitting out.. wth man!

I took your suggestion and moved my tv a couple inches to the right and have my speakers toe in.. still waiting on a Thurs deliv of the receiver tho but it's all ready lol. The way everything is set up right now reminds me of getting a car head unit stolen hahahah.

I'm sure your parents across the hall are thrilled

rofl.

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Thanks batpig, and I was hoping someone would say ..... Just Relax! I get concerned when I see someone write that my C100's and C-C50's Fronts will not match with the Take Satellites (how much program material comes out of the Sats anyways). For the size room this is going in (14*16), I feel I have enough Speaker placement now, and I am being foolish for thinking anything else except... Slow DOWN, Get the Receiver now, listen, and make up my own mind. So I'm waiting for 6ave (on mailing list for auto reply when in stock for the 1909), and that is the next step.

Batpig, your just what I needed to hear...... Relax!!! Thanks!

Just a quck question as to what everybody is mounting the C-R100's on. Wall mount? Stand? If so, what kind?

Thanks!

Bought this entertainment center

http://www.roomstogo.com/index.cfm?f...&ipac_id=13305

What would be the best place to put the speakers?

On another note....once I have this entertainment unit I am going to re-run my Audysee tests. At that time should I toe in my speakers(actually the main listening position is my couch, so I would toe in the left and leave the right alone) before or after the testing?

Thanks

well ive got over a hundred hours on my system now and couldnt be happier, this system sounds amazing, even the wife loves it, thats HUGE! She was amazed at the clairty of the surround system. Almost funny. The surround is nice and overall this system is plenty loud. The C-300's carry themselves very well.

I'd like to thank all the members that have dedicated posts to this brand and have helped me make a good comsumer decision.

Thanks

My neighbors maybe have other choice words for you guys but............

You can relax even more I'm running C300's a c-c50 center and my Take classic's are now my rears... along with the esw-8 sub..

I think you will be very very pleased with the way sound together I'm very pleased with the combo

The trick to apartments is to setting up speakers and subwoofer so that they're NOT attached to the floors. I live in an apartment but instead of going with towers sans a subwoofer, I went with bookshelves WITH a subwoofer. I made damn sure the fronts I bought could go down low enough where I could set crossovers at 80Hz without a hole in the bass. The low-end of tower speakers for me were challenging to tame in a living room, and they usually come across as far too boomy in most HT setups I see them in. Can't speak for the C-300, but I do know the C-100 bookshelves I use as fronts are now able to blend very well with the subwoofer without producing any peaks in the bass region, simply because they're not able to. Still they put out the bass they're supposed to at their lowest levels and no more. I only realized later that my Sony towers produced about 12-15db's too much of bass at 80Hz, even after running Audyssey Multi-EQ. The problem with floorstanders in apartments is that they sit on the floor, so that means they're sending bass through floor. Bookshelves don't do this.

What's more important is how I have my subwoofer set up. My floors are carpeted, but on the floor I have a subdude, and on top of that are about 7 inches worth of old sweaters and towels hidden and folded over it, and finally my subwoofer on top. As the subwoofer is in the corner, I have a couple of 5" panels there which absorb SOME of the low end. Point being - sub is tamed a lot and it's de-coupled from floor, and now with the bookshelves the bass from the mains is de-coupled...not to mention much more balanced. With the towers this was much harder to work with. I still can't go above certain volumes as bass still travels over the airways, but I can still have it plenty loud without complaints.

My advice, if it's a small apartment living room and you're about 10-12 feet from speakers go with the C-100's. Then get the smoothest-sounding sub you can to compliment it, and make sure you treat that small area of the room to tame response as much as possible.

I just hope the C-C100 will behave like the C-100's do and not be too boomy with my setup, because everything is starting to sound very good.

The C-R100 comes with a wall mount. Can you use that?

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I used the wall mount that comes with it. It works great and is so simple. It's just a piece of sturdy plastic that you screw to the wall. Then you put the included 3/8" bolt into back of speaker, and the bolt head hangs on top of bracket. And there's 2 rubber feet that you put on back of speaker that rest on the drywall. These bipoles sound GREAT, by the way. They're a HUGE improvement over the bookshelf speakers I was using.

The C-R100 looks a lot like the RC-R in design, and I'm sure the mount is similar. That mount is a tribute to design simplicity. The only thing to be careful about is that you may need to use anchors in certain types of walls. If the C-R100 is anywhere close to the weight of the RC-R, it could tear itself out of the wall if it isn't secure. I used relatively small anchors for my RC-Rs in plaster walls, and they're rock solid.

so..... i think i'm going to order another pair of c300's for the rears and a cc50 center. any advice before i do?

Treepop - that unit is not exactly an acoustic paradise, anything you do will be a compromise of some sorts.

You have three C-100's up front, right? A lot depends on how tall the vertical spaces are in the openings... I think the best solution would be to have the center on the shelf right above the TV (preferably angled down slightly), and the fronts on the shelf directly to either side (hopefully the shelf heights are adjustable so you can fit them on either side and still let your wife put some doo-dads on the shelf above )

If the shelfs aren't tall enough to fit vertically you are kinda screwed and have to put all three front speaker on top, again preferably angled down slightly. Toe in would probably help but it may not matter with them that high up, just run Audyssey and see how it turns out.

Question: where can you get the ESW-8 for $99?

Question: is that web site "WWStereo.com" a reliable, trustworthy site to buy from?

Thanks, and ciao.

ESW-8 $99
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new

wwstereo.com is an authorized Energy dealer. Speakers come with mfrs 5 year warranty. I bought a 10" subwoofer from them, many others have purchased full systems or a set of speakers. They have a couple of large showrooms in Philly. If you read back for the last 30 pages you'll find you have nothing to worry about.

Ok energy owners - I have a question for you about a potential setup.

Regarding the c-r100 bipole surrounds, do those need to be mounted in a specific position? What I mean is, are they designed specifically to go fully behind the viewing position, mounted so they face forward towards the front speakers, or can they go directly on the side of the viewing position, mounted on the side wall facing the listening position?

Secondly, assuming I buy a 5.0 setup from wwstereo with the c300 towers, cc50 center, and cr100 surrounds, what do you think about an eD a2-250 subwoofer?

And one last question, could I up this beast to a 7.1 system by adding in a pair of c100 bookshelfs, and if so, which should I use for the rear and which should I use for the side surrounds?

Thanks. Also I found the sub for $99 at Audio Advisor web site. I guess it is a wwstereo.com is a trusted web site; however, it does not show as an energy online authorized dealer at energy web site here: http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...to-buy/online/

Anyhow, thanks again.

Your name makes me think of the baseball player, Orestes Destrade

Bipole speakers are designed to be placed on the side walls so they disperse the sound front/back, creating a more immersive surround feel. They can be used on the rear wall if your seating is way back up against the wall but they should ideally be on the sides in a rectangular room.


The eD subs are monsters and are incredible bargains from everything I hear.


The general rule of thumb for HT is bipole/dipole on the sides and direct-radiating on the rears. I think a pair of C-50's would work fine in the back, with the C-R100's on the sides. But try out the 5.1 setup first and see if you are satisfied, 7.1 really isn't necessary unless you have a large room with plenty of space behind your seating position.

I think bipoles are better on the side walls than the back wall.

eD A2-250 is considered a very good sub for the price, the 12" A2-300 is only $25 more, why not go for that?

You should use bookshelf speakers on the rear wall, with C-R100s on the sides. You may want to save a little and get C-50s for rear speakers, not a whole lot of info goes to the surrounds anyway.

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/home_e...omlayout2.html

I called wwstereo.com months ago AND Klipsch which is the parent company of Energy and both said they are an authorized dealer. No worries.

Audio Advisor web site charges shipping. If you buy from Amazon's website you get free shipping.

Wow, thank all of you guys for the ridiculously quick responses, the energy owners thread moves a lot quicker than other threads!

One last hurdle before I order, can someone please convince me that the CC50 is going to be a powerful enough center channel for my setup? I am worried that it will be too weak to produce accurate voices and vocals during movies. And I don't like the idea of dropping $200 on eBay to get a used CC100.

Orestesdd,

Your local Video Only carries Energy speakers. Go check them out there if you have any worries. And you can also buy the larger C-C100 center although the price is probably around $189. But at least you'll be able to compare the C-C50 and C-C100.

so.....should i order the c300's for the rears as well or go with c100's. i guess i have to purchase the cc50 as well. i'm not paying jacked up prices for the cc100

Got my C-C50 from them, they shipped quick and have good prices. I'd buy again if I needed something they had.



I haven't had a chance to use it as a center yet but the C-C50 can put out some pretty powerful sound. Any receiver that is adjustable can make it loud enough

There may even be a cute audiophile girl who works there too!