Energy Owners Thread - Page 303

Originally Posted by billlh

If your going to buy the PA-120, you might want to look at this one first.

http://stores.channeladvisor.com/the...0%20Watt%20Sub

I picked up yesterday for $170.00 on a best offer bid on their ebay store.

http://stores.channeladvisor.com/the...ers/Subwoofers

You want to be sure to look at the right one though. You want the HD-sub12 not the PSW 12.

The HD-sub12 is normally $198.00 on their site. The PSW 12 is $137.00. The guys that bought these were very impressed. The one guy actually builds his own subs and he had planned to just buy this one to tear a part and rebuild and he ended up keeping it. He claims it goes down into the low 20's with no problems. So I figured I'd give it a shot since it's a lot cheaper then the PA-120.

Here is a link to the discussion that convinced me to buy this sub over the PA-120.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=85212

It's only 21 pages long but I think you will find it worth your investment of time to read it.

Bill

Originally Posted by Adam.C

Thanks so much batpig! Im gonna go with c-r100s then! So your saying the c-r100s come with mouting hardware?

Originally Posted by alphaii

batpig...I'm interested in your thoughts on the C-R100's for my system.

Originally Posted by subiefast

It's a pretty big difference.

Originally Posted by thanakornl

i am considering speakers for my studio apartment. I was wondering is the RC-10 speakers going to sound better than C-300?

Originally Posted by wi2ard

The room is 14' x 14' x 9'h with a 5' archway into another room. Budget for sub I'd like to aim about 300-400 max, appearance and size doesn't really matter. I own the house and no worries about neighbors or family.

I see there is already some talk of subs going on right now, I'll check out the links by bill.

Originally Posted by billlh

If your going to buy the PA-120, you might want to look at this one first.

http://stores.channeladvisor.com/the...0%20Watt%20Sub

I picked up yesterday for $170.00 on a best offer bid on their ebay store.

http://stores.channeladvisor.com/the...ers/Subwoofers

You want to be sure to look at the right one though. You want the HD-sub12 not the PSW 12.

The HD-sub12 is normally $198.00 on their site. The PSW 12 is $137.00. The guys that bought these were very impressed. The one guy actually builds his own subs and he had planned to just buy this one to tear a part and rebuild and he ended up keeping it. He claims it goes down into the low 20's with no problems. So I figured I'd give it a shot since it's a lot cheaper then the PA-120.

Here is a link to the discussion that convinced me to buy this sub over the PA-120.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=85212

It's only 21 pages long but I think you will find it worth your investment of time to read it.

Bill

Originally Posted by batpig

If you are able to spend 300-400 don't even bother looking at the links, the subs being discussed are the top contenders in the $200-ish subwoofer category, but at the 300-400 range the step up in quality is pretty massive.

You should probably spend some time reading threads in the subwoofer forum. There are many many "best $300 sub" and "best $400 sub" threads. If you want maximum output, the eD A2-300 is probably the sub-$400 king. Also look into HSU subs, and I seem to remember some nice deals on the SVS PB10-nsd as well.

Originally Posted by batpig

Yes, it's a very simple little plastic bracket that you mount on the wall and then the C-R100 just hangs on it. If you go to the C-R100 page and download the manual you can see a photo of it:
http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en...r100-overview/


Yeah, I saw your thread. Honestly, I have never HEARD a bipolar speaker so I am just regurgitating advice I have collected from reading other threads. The feedback on the C-R100 in this thread has been very positive though, and I think from what I've read it is a superior option to use bipolars when you have to have the seats jammed up against the back wall.

I have definitely experimented with monopolar surrounds and the annoying directionality when they are too close to your ears is quite obvious. I haven't mounted anything yet as I am playing around with setups, I have these two little Take 2 sats lying around that I am experimenting with.

I found that the suggestion of pointing them AWAY from the listening area, so the sound is bouncing off the walls to either side, has produced the best surround effect to this point. They were sitting on the floor actually when I tried this and it worked pretty well. I also tried putting them on the floor, but on their backs pointing straight up, and it still was a little too directional.

Originally Posted by batpig

I would say it depends on your priorities. The C-300's will obviously produce a lot more bass, output, and "impact" than the RC-10's, but the RC-10's will be superior in pretty much every other respect.

I would say if this will be for HT use only, go with the larger C-300's. If you listen to a lot of music, you will appreciate the step up in quality and refinement on the RC-10's. You can always add a small sub if you need a little more oomph in the low end, but I find the RC-10's produce plenty of bass for a small room.

Plus the RC-10's are a lot better looking IMO, the build quality on the RC's is really a big step up from the C-Series.

Originally Posted by subiefast

Here's some more pics. The way it's designed to be mounted doesn't work for me since the little mounting rods are mounted wide for a thicker dlp display. Fortunately, the speaker platform has an array of holes which is designed to look almost mesh. I just chose the holes that would fit my plasma, and bolted in the rods.

Originally Posted by knight_40k

Well, I'll post some starting thoughts on my Veritas 2.2i...

They are extremely musical speakers, everything is just so much more clear. That mid range really makes a difference. Compared to RC-10s I found they have similar characteristics but subtle differences. For example RCs are laid back and neutral sounding and like they are in the speaker singing to you, the veritas are even more so. With the 2.2i I find its like the singer is further away but with improved clarity and volume, if that makes sense. The tones and vocals are softer than the RCs especially with female vocals I notice a big improvement in pitch. I don't notice much of a difference in male vocals, but I'll keep listening. Also, the drums are a lot more crisp and alive sounding, like you are watching a performance. There is also an improvement in the veritas woofer vs the RC, sounds deeper.

When I listen to music on my HT system with the RCs it sounds a bit lacking. Not because of the speakers, but it doesn't have the tonal characteristics of my Parasound 275/2100 combo. Even before I had the Veritas, I preferred listening to 2ch music on my comp with the C-7s. A good quality amp really makes a difference. If it sounds like I'm bashing the RCs that is not my intent, I'm just trying to get across how the Veritas match up. And my HT is all RCs and I love it!

My RC10s are benched at the moment, I might not be selling my RC30s quite yet And I got a long way to go before my Veritas are fully broken in.

...pics to follow at a later date.

Originally Posted by Bama29

Does anyone know if the screws that hold the woofers and tweeters in on the C-100 series require a special tool or have a custom size. I thought they were allen screws but I can't find an allen wrench that fits.

Originally Posted by batpig

the only thing I can tell you is "try it and see for yourself". you have all of the speakers in your house right now, all it takes is a spare 20 minutes of quiet time to hook up the C-100's and re-run Audyssey, then see how it sounds. the only true judge of "how much will it help?" will be your ears

Originally Posted by Tuba4me

Did you try standard or metric?
They are probably metric since made in China.

Originally Posted by DAC21

Very true, and I missed the obvious. Only problem the C-100 would be stand mount like my Take Satellites are now. There is no way the Sansus stands I have will support C-100. I'd hate to spend $90 for new stands only to find it doesn't make much different. But without them I can't duplicate the true sound field I would have....that's my dilemma to figure out.....decisions...decisions.

Originally Posted by Adam.C

Ok well I made a little layout in paint of the living room. Tried to make it as easy as possible here. Batpig and anyone else that has an opinion on what to do with surrounds chime in here. Probably gonna go with the C-R100s, just dont know the best place to put em.

The ceilings are 9' high.





as you can see there is a 1 foot wall space above the front opening and was thinking of mounting one there and one in the other corner. Is that the best place?

Should I even get surrounds???


On a different subject, a friend of mine works at Best Buy and can get me a discount on whatever. Was looking at their subs and saw some that may be better for an apartment dwelling. Im just worried that a PA-120 would be too loud. I could just get a nice bigger sub when I get a house. Any of these you guys would recommend?

Keep in mind that the use of this system is for 90% movies/TV. Like 10% music at most.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1151657259559

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1190678281737

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1099395911231

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1185265823305

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1210289296428


Thanks for your help. Im gonna be buying the Energy speakers and the Denon 1909 this weekend and the sub at a later date. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Bama29

I don't think any of my allen wrenches are metric..

I guess this is an excuse to go find a Metric Set!

Originally Posted by Adam.C

The DLP TV is not against the wall. Sorry if the drawing isnt the most accurate lol. The TV is actually on a tv stand and a little over a foot from the wall.

I like having breather space behind my stuff so it can all "breathe". When I get the C-300s they will be a couple feet from the wall. Im planing on putting the C-C100 on top of the TV using an omnimount contraption.

Originally Posted by Tuba4me

3mm fit c-300 and c-c100

Originally Posted by Adam.C

That could be hard to do as I dont think the wife will like that very much. Ill pass it by here but im not holding my breath lol

Originally Posted by Adam.C

Yea she didnt like it. lol
Anyone else think I should be fine just putting those bipolars right behind?