Denon AVR-2807 wins best in CES 2006 home audio (Cnet).  

I heard the 2807 DAC is not as good as the 3806 though

The Denon guy at CES actually recommended the 2807 to me over the 4306. I walked off thinking that the 2807 was a 3x1 HDMI switcher which it is not and negelected to pay much attention to what the Denon guy was touting. I think it was related to HDMI performance since that was the biggie for me, particularly 1080p60 switching. Since the 4306 is capable of that per the spec I'm not sure what he was referring to. My bad. Need to listen closer next time.

Any thoughts on where the 2807 might be superior to the 4306? It would be hard for me to give up that 3x1 HDMI for 2x1 but maybe there is a performance problem with the 4306 lurking out there somewhere.

Well, I would think that a lower receiver won't be as good quality, but since it will be 5-6 months newer, it will have newer features. The quality will be good enough for a mainsteam receiver, I am sure.

AFAIK, the 2805 was the lowest model receiver made in Japan, so the 2807 should be as well; if so, that would be good. Whereas, the lower receivers are made in China.

I can't imagine any performance or feature benefit the 2807 would have over the 4306. The only thing that would be a (minor) improvement is that the 2807 can display the video from an iPod hooked up to the front/back, whereas the 4306 is audio-only.

It's unlikely that anyone associated with Denon would tout the 2807 over the 4306. From what I can tell, the 2807 shares some features found on the 4306 but not on the 3806. Apart from that, the AVR-4306 is still the king.

"So why all the excitement over the AVR-2807? Consider Denon's $1,300 AVR-3806. It's a great receiver, but the somewhat half-baked HDMI capabilities--analog video sources and the onscreen display are limited to 480i resolution via the HDMI output--limits usefulness on many HDTVs and monitors. For $200 less, the AVR-2807 looks to deliver a lot more for the home-theater enthusiast. The AVR-2807 is scheduled to be available in March 2006, in black or silver."

Full story here: Affordable HDMI A/V receiver: Denon AVR-2807

Maybe because it will likely street for $600-$700 less than the 4306? Maybe that the biggest feature improvement.

$600-700 is a lot to pay for one more HDMI input.

-Mr. Wigggles

i was all excited about this model until i looked at the pic of the back panel and saw that it only had 2 HDMI inputs. what a shame...for $1000 you would think Denon could spring for 3. :(

The $1100 listed in the article... is that MSRP or estimated street price? I was going to wait for the HK 640, but now it looks like there's a very solid alternative in the 2807.

$1099 is MSRP

Ugh. And just when I thought it was closing in on the 2600... (or the JVC 702, which will cause me even more comparing...)

I just bought a Butler Audio 5150 amp and I am debating on waiting for the 2807 or buying the 4306 now. Leaning towards the 2807 because it has everything I need in a pre/pro for now.

Can someone tell me how Denon has typically fared with their product rollouts? If they say March on the 2807 does it mean March or May?

based on the past models, what is the approx street price we should see for the 2807?

10-20% off list.



again... Can someone tell me how Denon has typically fared with their product rollouts? If they say March on the 2807 does it mean March or May?

I'm curious to know as well as this receiver seems to fit all my expectations. It will be March when I'm looking to upgrade my old Onkyo and this Denon looks spot on!

Is there any other info about this receiver out yet? Other then what was given at the CES? Perhaps a preview test or something of the sort....

Any information regarding zone 2 on the 2807? Will it have S-Video out? I can't tell from the pictures I've seen.

Matt

April? ;)
Seriously, other AVRs from Denon have been released in March, and they probably were not scheduled for earlier. (Jan and Feb are not product release months typically). From reading, I would say 2H of March, probably, but delays are always possible.

Is this equipped with HDMI 1.1 or 1.2??

I am also just about to pull the trigger on the Yamaha V2600. I haven't seen anything saying the 2807 can do any upscaling, am I missing something? If not, I think the advantage still goes to the V2600

Unless you are using a separate amp, the 2807 will most likely generate more usable power assuming it maintains Denon's traditional performance.

I'll admit I'm a bit of a novice, but this doesn't seem to make any sense to me. The Yamaha claims to be 130W per channel. The 2807 is 110W per channel. Even if what you say is true, do you really think the Denon is 20W per channel different? I really doubt that.

Now please don't get me wrong, I don't own a Denon or a Yamaha at this point. And it seems from what I've read that Denon makes some great products. But when I look at the features and specs., and price it just seems that the Yamaha is a better value.

Also, Audioholics.com named the V2600 one of their products of the year.

phoard1,

I think what Uther is talking about is actual usable watts compared to just what the manufacture states.

For instance, take a look at these two lab test done by HT mag.

Yamaha RX-V2500 : http://hometheatermag.com/floorlouds...ch/index2.html

Denon AVR-3805: http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/...on/index2.html

Now when you look at what these receivers rate from dealers etc. you'll see that the Yamaha is rated at 130W x7 while the Denon is rated at 120W x7.

Yet when they are tested at 5 x all channels driven you can see the difference. Though the Denon rates their unit 10 less then Yamaha, the usable power of the Denon actually gives it exactly 50W per channel more then the Yamaha. Thats a huge number!

Now those numbers are for 8ohm rating with .1% distortion... it changes when you switch to 2 channels etc...

The whole process is deceiving and I'm only really recently getting to understand the whole ideology of it.

Cdnhifi,

Thank for the reply. Like indicated I'm not an expert. I reviewed the links you sent and it is interesting. I see what you you say, but wonder what does that really mean in the real world. By this I mean, am I going to notice? I really don't know.

If you look at overall rathings given to the models you discuss they give the Denon a 94 and the Yamaha a 93.

I know this isn't what this thread was meant to discuss, I just think the ability to upscale is a pretty big feature. A better comparison would be the V1600 which doesn't have upscaling that the V2600 has.

The 2807 will do I/P conversion and will have HDMI ins/outs that are 1080p compatible. I'm not sure a scaler is all that useful in a receiver. Scaling is better accomplished at the source (i.e. scaling dvd) or with one of the good-but-affordable outboard scalers. Some displays also have decent scaling (though not many).

In the real world? You will likely not notice a whole lot, unless you are either playing it at very loud volumes or have speakers that are not very efficient and require a lot of juice.

Even 70W's of continous power will sound very good in most livingrooms, so I was by no means knocking the Yamaha. I think they make great receivers, hence the score.

Pete,

That's probably true, I guess I like to have options as to which piece of equipment I want to do what. T

That brings up a good point. The Yamaha doesn't say anything about 1080P, at least not that I've seen. It does say it passes through the HDMI in to HDMI out without any scaling or conversion. What will happen if I hook up a 1080P source in the future? I had got some responses that it would just pass it through, but since Denon calls it out on he 2807, I'm not so sure I should just assume a receiver that doesn't claim do it will. Thoughts? If it doesn't, what will it do? Will I just not be able to hook up a 1080P source to it via HDMI?

50 WPC difference is noticeble, but not significant. Remember, do achieve a 3 dB increase in sound, you have to double power. For example, if you are generating an SPL of 85 dB at, say 4 wpc, which is realistic, you need 8 wpc for 88 dB, 16 wpc for 91 dB, 32 wpc for 94 dB, etc. Also, keep in mind that 85 dB is reference level, which can have 105 dB peaks! If you follow the math from above, you would need over 500 wpc peak for ~ 106 dBs - not to be confused with 500 wpc RMS. Lastly, remember that to double the perceived sound, you must increase the spl by ~10 dB, which is a 10x increase in power.

Anyone know of any vendors taking pre-orders on this unit yet?