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post #61 of 714
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Originally Posted by qip View Post

i wonder if this discontinuation is just in massachussets or nationwide?

I asked the same thing at BB and was told it was this particular store.
post #62 of 714
i went to see this thimg at BB , and put the menu on and noticed some bowing but it still looked good and i would get it still simply based on its slimfit style and has qam .....which leads me to another question ,because it has qam and you just have to hook it up straight with the coaxil through wall that means you get the channels that are unencrypted but they wont be HD cause of coaxil connection ,you need component or hdmi for best PQ right so qam is really moot point since you really need the box from suscriber for better reciever and connections


another thing i noticed is that the glass screen had a different feel to it than other crt's ,sorta like matte finish coat
post #63 of 714
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Originally Posted by qip View Post

i went to see this thimg at BB , and put the menu on and noticed some bowing but it still looked good and i would get it still simply based on its slimfit style and has qam .....which leads me to another question ,because it has qam and you just have to hook it up straight with the coaxil through wall that means you get the channels that are unencrypted but they wont be HD cause of coaxil connection ,you need component or hdmi for best PQ right so qam is really moot point since you really need the box from suscriber for better reciever and connections


another thing i noticed is that the glass screen had a different feel to it than other crt's ,sorta like matte finish coat


Went to see this set at BB tonight and I noticed some downward bowing from the top on an anamorphic letterbox. Nothing "substantial", but definitely there.
post #64 of 714
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Originally Posted by qip View Post

i went to see this thimg at BB , and put the menu on and noticed some bowing but it still looked good and i would get it still simply based on its slimfit style and has qam .....which leads me to another question ,because it has qam and you just have to hook it up straight with the coaxil through wall that means you get the channels that are unencrypted but they wont be HD cause of coaxil connection ,you need component or hdmi for best PQ right so qam is really moot point since you really need the box from suscriber for better reciever and connections


another thing i noticed is that the glass screen had a different feel to it than other crt's ,sorta like matte finish coat

no, not at all. Those HD QAM channels on your coaxial cable line are fully HD. Thats why some people look for a TV that has a QAM ATSC tuner so that way they can get local channels over their cable line in HD without having to rent a box from the cable co.
post #65 of 714
thats what i thought but i remember reading you can only get true hd via component or hdmi so i was confused a bit
post #66 of 714
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Originally Posted by qip View Post

thats what i thought but i remember reading you can only get true hd via component or hdmi so i was confused a bit

The STB has a QAM tuner the same as the TV. I'd venture to guess that if the tuner in the TV is as good as the one in the STB you'll get a better picture by skiping the STB since there are fewer alteration of the picture on the way to the screen.
post #67 of 714
Picked up this set about a week ago, and am very impressed. I have noticed some minor pincushion effect on the sides, but anticipate that this can be corrected once I am able to get into the service menu.

I'm using a Panasonic indoor antenna to receive digital broadcast OTA in Atlanta. While watching some horrible movie on TBS this afternoon, I noticed that there was some image stretch at both sides of the screen. The broadcast info indicated that the movie (Harrison Ford and Ann Hesche (sp?) stranded on an island) was being broadcast in 16x9 1080i. I have not noticed any such stretching when viewing mad-for-TV HD material (CSI:Miami, for example).

So, I'm wondering whether this distortion might be the result of the broadcaster "re-formatting" the source material for an HD broadcast, where the source material was not originally shot in HD. (I'm still very much a novice in the whole HD world.)

Any thoughts?
post #68 of 714
anyone know if there will be a 32 or 34 inch of any slim style crt
post #69 of 714
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Originally Posted by qip View Post

anyone know if there will be a 32 or 34 inch of any slim style crt

Other than Sony, I don't believe there's any other maker in the 30+" market. 32" tubes are 4:3 non-HD only. In a couple of years when good 32" LCDs will be under $1000, even these 30" tubes will be endagered species.
post #70 of 714
A BB flyer in todays Sunday paper just lowered the price another $50 on the 30FS4D. Time for a return trip for credit.
post #71 of 714
I'm planning on buying this tv very soon. I see Best Buy now has it up on thier website, and they are offering free shipping with it. My question is should I buy it online and take adavantage of the free shipping? Is there any risk that they set could be miscalibrated during shippment?
post #72 of 714
I noticed the new LG 30FS4D while in BB yesterday. They were playing the trailer for "V for Vendetta" on what appeared to be a loop and needless to say I was watching for several minutes due to both the trailer and the tv.

I've been considering upgrading to HDTV for the past few months, however due to the size constraints of my existing cabinet a 30 inch set is the biggest I can get.
The set was extremely attractive (I've always been partial to black components) and the size was just right (unlike some of the beasts which Sony makes). The LG reviews I have read for their LCD models have been quite good so when I got a chance to do some research I found that BB was having a sale on this item, which has already been noted. I am glad I came across this site as reviews for this product are hard to find. Thanks to those of you who have already provided input on this new product as it really helps in making an educated buying decision.

I will be looking forward to more info on this and other products.
post #73 of 714
Has anyone tried this with the Xbox 360? if so what are your impressions? If you have any more pics to post that would be great as well.

Thanks.
post #74 of 714
Yah, i've been playing PGR 3 on my XBOX 360 using this tv. I'm very impressed with it. Looks a little sharper for gaming than my old 55'' CRT Rear Projection TV....although I have to admit, I miss the extra size for in cockpit racing
post #75 of 714
If anyone hasn't heard already, this TV is $849.99 at BestBuy right now. Looks like a great tv at a decent price. I'm waiting for the Samsung Slimfit 2006 models to see if the geometry issues(bowing) have been solved. If not, I'm getting this one. Too bad it only has 1 HDMI input unlike the samsung slimfits that are coming out next month. But that's nothing a quality receiver can't solve down the line.
post #76 of 714
Hey guys, I too work at BB and bought this tv the day after it came out. I'm trying to figure out whether my set is defective or if they are all like this...but the left and right about 3-4 inches of the screen are blurry. It's like HD quality in the middle of the screen and then standard quality on the left and right edge. It's especially apparent when playing 360 where you can tell the text gets blurry. But also on DVD's and cable, so it's not the 360.

Let me know if any of you guys have noticed the same issue? I've tried playing with some settings but no such luck.
post #77 of 714
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Originally Posted by mattskr View Post

Hey guys, I too work at BB and bought this tv the day after it came out. I'm trying to figure out whether my set is defective or if they are all like this...but the left and right about 3-4 inches of the screen are blurry. It's like HD quality in the middle of the screen and then standard quality on the left and right edge. It's especially apparent when playing 360 where you can tell the text gets blurry. But also on DVD's and cable, so it's not the 360.

Let me know if any of you guys have noticed the same issue? I've tried playing with some settings but no such luck.

There has been some talk of larger phosphors out toward the edges of the screen in both the samsung slimfits and the LG slimfits. Last time I was at BB, it was clear that the phosphors were indeed larger out toward the edges. This may reduce the effective resolution. Look very closely at your television screen, report back, and hope someone else fills in the details that I've left behind...

P.S. Its nice to see a BB employee here and there who actually reads this sort of thing and knows what they are talking about...thanks!
post #78 of 714
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Originally Posted by jpaul View Post

There has been some talk of larger phosphors out toward the edges of the screen in both the samsung slimfits and the LG slimfits. Last time I was at BB, it was clear that the phosphors were indeed larger out toward the edges. This may reduce the effective resolution. Look very closely at your television screen, report back, and hope someone else fills in the details that I've left behind...

P.S. Its nice to see a BB employee here and there who actually reads this sort of thing and knows what they are talking about...thanks!

I haven't been keeping up with the Slimfit thread as much as I should even though I'm planning on buying the new models when they come out, but could you point me to a post that talks about this phosphors problem with the samsungs? It's too bad the LG has this problem. Is this a defect on all models or a select few that are bad?
post #79 of 714
well...I'll be. Upon close examination the phosphors are smaller in the middle and larger on left and right, BUT, I've read a lot of reports on here and no one has mentioned any blurriness. It was the first thing I noticed when I got the tv, I put in Halo 2 and can not even read what rank I am because it is close to the edge. Surely, if all the TV's were this bad someone else would have noticed!!!

If this thing wasn't a 100lbs I'd just haul it back and return it but I wanna make sure someone out there has a perfect TV before I bring home one with the same problem, those of you that had reported earlier, put in some 360 games with a lot bright text on the left and right and let me know if it is out of focus compared to the center.
post #80 of 714
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Originally Posted by mattskr View Post

well...I'll be. Upon close examination the phosphors are smaller in the middle and larger on left and right, BUT, I've read a lot of reports on here and no one has mentioned any blurriness. It was the first thing I noticed when I got the tv, I put in Halo 2 and can not even read what rank I am because it is close to the edge. Surely, if all the TV's were this bad someone else would have noticed!!!

I think it's just the set you got. There was only 1 other person that talked about this, and everyone else seems to really like there TV.

EDIT: Nevermind, seems to be a problem with more than 1 person. There saying it goes away with time...
post #81 of 714
Here's a pic. The red are my annotations. Also look at that "Optimatch" box, the right side (about in the middle of the screen) is crystal clear while the left border is much less defined! I've been using the tube since Thurs so I dunno, maybe it does go away with time but I have my doubts on that one.
LL
post #82 of 714
mattskr, Is it noticable when you are watching TV or just on games?
post #83 of 714
Mostly games. Mainly it's noticeable on text, on SD/HD TV it's hard to tell it's out of focus. But DVD's also do it too like when it shows the FBI warning screen and stuff. This is playing DVD's NOT using the 360 but a seperate player plugged in via S-video not hd, so I know it's not a particular input.

The phosphors are bigger on the edges but they have to be to compensate for the wide angles that the cathode ray has to hit to make an image on the edge. It seems like something's off and part of the ray hits the next phosphor or something thus making it seem blurry. But I dunno, like I said waiting for some of those other guys to chime in to see if it's just a bad set.
post #84 of 714
Is there not some sort of "Text Enhancement Feature" on most HDTV's? I remember reading about a setting like that in one of these threads that made text look better or something. Sorry to be so vague... I wish I could remember the thread... Maybe the 34 inch sony thread?

Try finding out what the service menu settings mean on your particular tv and see if there is a setting related to that under the service menu. Be sure to write your original settings down first!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck.
post #85 of 714
I finally noticed the larger phosphors everyone is talking about on the left/right of the LG's. Well, maybe mostly the gamers. This was from about 1 - 2 ft.

From a casual viewing distance, 6 - 9 ft, I notice no blurryness on DVD's or HD. How far are you gamers from the set? 3 feet? 2 feet?
post #86 of 714
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Originally Posted by georgemoe View Post

I finally noticed the larger phosphors everyone is talking about on the left/right of the LG's. Well, maybe mostly the gamers. This was from about 1 - 2 ft.

From a casual viewing distance, 6 - 9 ft, I notice no blurryness on DVD's or HD. How far are you gamers from the set? 3 feet? 2 feet?

No way! I'm sitting probably about 6-9 ft away but you can tell it's out of focus from across the room. If you have a DVD with a nice big FBI warning or some other text that takes up the whole screen pop that in and tell me if it's not clear.
post #87 of 714
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Originally Posted by mattskr View Post

No way! I'm sitting probably about 6-9 ft away but you can tell it's out of focus from across the room. If you have a DVD with a nice big FBI warning or some other text that takes up the whole screen pop that in and tell me if it's not clear.

Hey, I looked at your picture, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it is totally wrong. If I were you, I'd take my xbox to BB, set it up with a TV there and see if its an issue on any other models. Or you can just use a dvd (FBI warning) if that is easier. In any case, I'm pretty sure its wrong. You'll probably have to lug it back, but you'll end up with a much better television.

EDIT: kind of looks like a focus problem...
post #88 of 714
It's $850 now. Great. If you bought one, go get your $$ back!!!
LL
post #89 of 714
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Originally Posted by OscarMyer1 View Post

It's $850 now. Great. If you bought one, go get your $$ back!!!


Well, I got it WAY cheaper than that, lol, but I am very dissapointed with it. I went into the store today with my laptop and some test images and to my disgust the display tv also suffers from the same focus problems. So unless my tv and the display are both lemons I'd say it's safe to say they all suffer from this problem. It seems a slim crt can not be made without problems. I also looked through the service menu but saw nothing that could fix it.

Other than that this TV looks great, really hate to return it. Sound is good, the anti-glare screen is awesome. There is no geometry issues.

My recommendation is if you want a good cheap HDTV for DVD/Cable TV this will work great, for video games and high-res sources like 360 you might not be satisfied.

I don't see how the other guys that reviewed this thing missed this because it's almost slap-you-in-the-face obvious to me. Maybe I'm just a perfectionist though. I really hate to waste the cash but I might just have to get an LCD. Oh, btw, to whoever said it might go away with time, also not gonna happen unless it takes a month or so as my store's display tv has been on 10-10 since last Wed.

(Btw, on a good note, like I said I still like this tv and wish someone would just post a good pic to prove coincidentally that the store display and my tv are just rotten eggs!)
post #90 of 714
Is this blurriness problem something that can be fixed by a future firmware update? Also performance on all LCD tv is just terrible, thats why I was leaning towards this tv.
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