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post #31 of 485
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Originally Posted by cweigand View Post

I don't have any "componet cables"-- I do have 3 RCA type that I can use is that the same? I just connected a cheap OTA and the HD channels look great. My husband and I are going snowboarding tomorrow until sat. - I can't wait to get home to play / the tv! Glad I got to Costco at 10am im JAX! Take care
Christie

Hop onto ebay and pick up a 6' component (check your spelling on that) cable after verifying that your dvd player has component capabilities (if it was made in the last 4 years, it should, but my older player does not). Even better is hdmi, but it's doubtful that your player has that, unless it's very new.

Component cables are fairly inexpensive--they shouldn't cost more than $30 for a good one. Unlike a s-video cable or RCA type, component hookups split the video signal into three discrete signals onto 3 cables (marked red, green and blue) that improves the picture dramatically.
post #32 of 485
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Originally Posted by cweigand View Post

I don't have any "componet cables"-- I do have 3 RCA type that I can use is that the same? I just connected a cheap OTA and the HD channels look great. My husband and I are going snowboarding tomorrow until sat. - I can't wait to get home to play / the tv! Glad I got to Costco at 10am im JAX! Take care
Christie

Yes, you can use 3 RCA cables instead of a single 3-prong component cable. I don't think there is a significant difference. I've used this "shortcut" without any problem in the past.
post #33 of 485
Our Costco has 17 in stock as of 5 PM today. At least I don't have to rush down there to snag one. I will head over there tomorrow and check it out.
post #34 of 485
So far the reviews aren't too good eh? Sorry to hear that, i was hoping this TV would be the one. Everytime i find a TV i like i always find out later there's something i don't like about it.

Gotta have a good picture - Anyone else got a little mini-review of it? I'm going to go check it out in an hour or so.
post #35 of 485
My Costco had the Philips hooked up to Costco's in-house HD feed (satellite). The picture looked stunning, as most plasmas do.

The bad reviews here seem to be do to poor in-store setups.
post #36 of 485
I have my TV setup. Sort of. Bought a cheap HDTV antenna for the time being. Here is my mini-review.

The unit is HUGE. Huge = big screen. I am used to a 36" Tube and this 50" is BIG. I like it.
After getting over the size of the screen I went into the menu and did the antenna scan for channels. Found a few local channels and off to watch my 1st HD show. King of Queens.

Well it looked great. Since the TV is so big if you get too close you can see some detail lose or pixelization not sure what you call it. But whatever it is you don't see it from a few feet back. (maybe 6ft or so is the closest you want to be)

The picture is stunning. Looks nothing like the TV I saw in the store. And mind you I am using a Coax connected cheap antenna for the time being. Should only get better with a real antenna and Directv Tivo.

I played with some of the picture settings and lowered the contrast and brightness settings. Temperature control imho has to stay on cool. If you switch it the flesh tones get too red. (I am semi-color blind so this might just be me)

Overall I am impressed. And before I forget the speakers SUCK on this thing. Useable for King of Queens but that is the most I would consider using them for because they SUCK! Low quality and just as plain jane as they come. If you NEED to use a TV for speakers I would not suggest this TV. THey are that bad. Go buy a cheap 5.1 setup if necessary. Worth it. I like the picture. I like the design better in my house than in the store. Menus are a tad unintuitive but managable and no volume control ever on screen.

But I have zero regrets so far. Have not watched SD yet. Plan to go hookup my Directv box to it for SD. Will let you know how that is soon. Is this TV the best I have ever seen? Nope. But it looks solid and the price makes it a solid consideration for someone who wants a solid TV for a reasonable price.

Long term review will be more important but so far so good.
post #37 of 485
Went to Costco in Houston this evening and of course they were sold out. Myself and 3 other guys were obviously disappointed, but alas, we were told to put our names on a raincheck list and that we would get one on Thursday. They guaranteed the price so long as we put our name on the list prior to the end of the sale. So for those of you who , still want one and don't want to pay the shipping from costco online, there is still hope. They did have one hooked up that had been sold, which had an excellent picture. Compared to the Pioneer, there was less glare and an equally satisfying picture, although the black is more attractive than the silver Phillips. I was also very impressed with the 37" Vizio and Phillips LCD tv's. They were much sharper and brighter, as might be expected. But nonetheless only 37". I went by the Best Buy, which is next door to check out their stuff. What a disaster of a business--chaos and staff with marginal knowledge of the equipment. And the 7320 was a helluva lot more expensive.

Anyway....looking forward to Thursday.
post #38 of 485
Glare is really due to TV placement in Costco. If the TV is placed in line with the lighting from above the glare is horrible. I noticed the Philips in my Costco was located in the worst spot and the glare was the best of the Pioneer which was located right inbetween two huge lights from above.. So I am not sure you can read into that much.

The connections in Costco are also HORRIBLE. I noticed the Maxent in my store is the only one hooked up via component. All the other TV's are daisy chained to each other via the Monitor out with composite cables. Philips was at the end of that chain.

But in my dark room with the lights off it is pretty.
post #39 of 485
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Originally Posted by Muskeg View Post

My Costco had the Philips hooked up to Costco's in-house HD feed (satellite). The picture looked stunning, as most plasmas do.

The bad reviews here seem to be do to poor in-store setups.


I agree.. I purchased this TV sight unseen about 10 days ago..... They had the 42 inch version on display but not the 50....

I am hooked up to HD cable thru component cables and I have no complaints..... As long as you have a good HD feed you should have no problems..... XBox360 is also very nice on this set....

I viewed the 42 inch Pioneer next to the 42 inch Philips and I felt the Philips had a better picture... this could of been due to a poor setup or feed.....although I loved the case of the Pioneer I thought overall PQ was better with the Philips.....

So far I have no regrets....and with the great return policy I would not hesitate to buy this set...
post #40 of 485
Has anyone noticed a blinking green light at the back of the TV when it's on? I wonder what that could be and if it's normal?
post #41 of 485
Went down and checked out the TV a little earlier, they were out of stock, said they only got 5 in and they all sold out by 10:05 AM, but said they will also have more coming into tomorrow morning. The picture looked very nice to me, i see nothing bad about it. Though right next to it was a Vizio P50HDM, and the picture on that was at least as good, but it also seemed a little better. It would be $100 less than the Philips (with the coupoun) so it's tempting. I'll have to do some research and compare both TVs. If anyone cares to compare them for me i'd greatly appreciate that too.
post #42 of 485
We connected a $10 antenna and the HD was unbelievable. Th PBS station was the best so far. My husband and a friend couldn't believe how good the picture looked w/ that antenna.The antenna also picked up FOX,ABC and CBS-- all looked great.I didn't have time to adjust any setting-- leaving on vacation until Sat-- then I'll get the HD box from Comcast. I also need to purchase a wall mount for over the fireplace, any suggestions? Thanks Chrisite
post #43 of 485
I purchased the Peerless tilting mount from the costco website... but I dont see it on the site anymore... they had a good deal on it til the 15th... only nagatve was you had to use this small inner table mount screw holes...but it mounted very nicely...

My firned has an omnimount which he puchased at CC.... which also worked well with the set.. I believe he was able to use the outer big screws...
post #44 of 485
Fyi...a crappy OTA antenna is only worse it that it might not pick up as many channels as a good antenna...with a digital OTA channel, if it comes in, it comes in...there's no better or worse...
post #45 of 485
I went to my Costco today in anticipation of buying my first plasma, the 50" Phillips. What a disappointment! The picture looks like you are looking through a light hazy fog. The picture on the Phillips could not compare to the 42" Pioneer. The 50" Vizio is a much better picture. I am going to see if the Vizio is still in stock. This Phillips just does not have a vivid picture. Boy, was I disappointed. I thought this would be the set.
post #46 of 485
Initial report:

Turned it on, and after the cable scan, it found all of my analog channels and the 6 unscrambled hi def digital cable channels off the regular cable (no set top or cable card).

Since this is for my wife, I spent a lot of time in the analog channels, and my first thoughts were "take it back!" Pixelation, jaggies, pixel movement, color, all very annoying. But when I turned off a bunch of the enhancements in the menus, things got much better. If you notice, when you change channels, the enhancements kick in after a second. So now when I cruise, the initial picture is terrible, but after a second, it cleans up pretty sharp. The only jaggies I see are on the CNN scrollers.

Once I turned to the HD PBS channel, my remaining doubts began washing away. 1080i is stunning in detail and color (for my eyes). I do see pink and green tints in some greys (as I saw at the Cosco Home store), and in some faces, the tones are not ideal. Is this what they call "clay face"? This was nearly absent in HD -- CSI Miami looked good, but they exagerate their colors all around.

I have a slight buzzing, worse on bright/white scenes. Its actually better than my 42" daewoo EDTV, so I know I can learn to live with it.

The best feature that surprised me is the black bar detection. The screen automatically zooms to hide black bars as a burn in prevention. Standard 4:3 fair scales with a nice funhouse mirror, rivaling what my old Zenith DTV1080i set top would do (this is where the center is normal, but this sides stretch to fill the void). Letterboxed content zooms also. Even during a letterboxed commercial, the TV smoothly zooms in, then zooms out after the letterboxing is removed.

I can't wait to hook up my PhotoBridge and test out some 720p and other 1080i footage. All in all, 90% satisfied so far. I may end up returning it, but for now my impression is much better than my initial out of the box feelings.

Brad
post #47 of 485
yeah i just got back from costco and bought one of the last three they had left. i think the costco employees didn't want the tv to sell or something they left the tv in the worst possible settings. i don't have digital cable or any HD channels yet, and the scan couldn't find any local HD channels. is there anything special i have to do for see if i can find some local HD channels?
overall, the picture quality is pretty good for SD channels. i was messing around with some of the settings and i turned down contrast and brightness to around 50 and it looks pretty good and it will hopefully break in the tv nicely. the speakers are ok for just watching tv shows but for movies and stuff i would recommend a sound system.
post #48 of 485
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Originally Posted by staufj22 View Post


Does anyone have a stand recommendation? I'm putting it in a corner.. so I can't wall mount it. I wonder if Costco has any stand that'll fit this.

The Costco's here had some stands in last week, so I picked one up expecting to get the 50" Philips (I take delivery tomorrow!!). Here's the stand:

http://www.slambrands.com/

Go to the Xera tv stand. It's a nice unit. I put it together tonight and only had about a dozen leftover parts.
post #49 of 485
The problem with my Antenna is that it isn't holding a perfect signal the whole time. Some channels I get in very good but others I don't for long periods of time.

Fox when I did get it in was not impressive. CBS/NBC both looked great. ABC (Bachelor) was not displaying anything in HD so that was pointless. Even the WB shows looked great even though I would never watch the junk they had on.

I did not notice any lights or buzz yet. I wasn't searching for those things and not finding them is a good thing. I plan to play with it a lot more next week after I get all my new hardware and get it setup properly. Also ned to get a Avia disc to calibrate it. Lots to do...
post #50 of 485
I also snagged one and hooked it up soon as I could to an antenna and got a good number of OTA channels. to be honest i thought the picture was less satisfying than my 5 year old mitsubishi 55 inch RPTV. of course one needs to keep in mind that I am staring at the television from about 4 feet as it's currently sitting on the floor so all the errors are very apparent and I haven't reallly messed with any of the settings other than turning the contrast down.

How about everyone list the settings they are using? I read that elwood turned off the enhancements and he seemed to think it improved the picture. Specifically did you turn off the pixel plus?
post #51 of 485
I bought this TV yesterday at Local Costco in Jacksonville (FL), it was the last one boxed in the store. Easily loaded it in Honda Element (did not know that you could not fit it in Pathfinder or Mercedes).
Connected to DishNetwork receiver and was really disappointed (SD), did not look good at all (S video). Tried to scan local channels with ota antenna, found only 2 HD channels (local Channel 4 - clearchannel, and PBS). All major networks (CBS,FOX,ABC) are analog and looked very bad (a lot of noise, snow). HD channels are very good, I am not expert but I am satisfied with HD; however, I am going to watch mostly SD over Dish and would like to have decent picture on this TV. There is no more outputs from the satellite receiver (only RF and it is even worse, and S video), I did some adjustments but it is not even close to what I expected. I understand that this TV was designed for HD signal and all that, but if anyone could advise how to improve quality of the signal over Dish Network receiver SD, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks
post #52 of 485
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Originally Posted by WooBah View Post

I went to my Costco today in anticipation of buying my first plasma, the 50" Phillips. What a disappointment! The picture looks like you are looking through a light hazy fog. The picture on the Phillips could not compare to the 42" Pioneer. The 50" Vizio is a much better picture. I am going to see if the Vizio is still in stock. This Phillips just does not have a vivid picture. Boy, was I disappointed. I thought this would be the set.

I agree. We didn't buy it for this same reason. I spoke to the guy who set it up. He said he spend all day (or a good portion) trying to get it to look it's best, and I thought it looked horrible compared to the others on display (and I don't even have HD at home). We passed on this. The store started with 21, they had 16 by the afternoon and about 8 by the time we left.
post #53 of 485
Tonight I'll list what my settings are, and maybe throw in a little editorial comment on each one. I'm also going to tune it with Avia on a 480p input, so we'll see what the results look like.

Brad
post #54 of 485
Anyone else's have a pink vertical line when the TV is turned on?
I get this pink vertical line about 1/3 of the screen long, and it happens mostly when I turn the TV on, and lasts for about 5 to 10 minutes.

I kinda want to return for a new one.. but its just so much hassle since this is so big...
post #55 of 485
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Originally Posted by NatasNJ View Post

The picture is stunning. Looks nothing like the TV I saw in the store. And mind you I am using a Coax connected cheap antenna for the time being. Should only get better with a real antenna and Directv Tivo.

Well, since the signal is digital, it shouldn't matter what kind of antenna you are using or how it's getting to the tuner in the TV. Also, for the most part, OTA usually has the best quality of HDTV. It will probably get worse when you get a directivo since the satellite providers heavily compress their HD content.
post #56 of 485
Just picked up the last one from Costco last night. These items are selling very fast.

One of the installation items that intrigues me is a long cable (twin attached with small light bulbs at their ends) coming together to a single male plug point.
I think this can be stuck behind the TV panes (ambilight maybe? not sure) and wondering if any one in the forum has figured how to set it up... If so, let me know.

Thanks!!
post #57 of 485
It is IR blaster, and according to documentation it is not being used now (read pdf on cd). It will be used in the future (possibly).
post #58 of 485
What the heck is IR Blaster?
post #59 of 485
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Originally Posted by slffl View Post

Well, since the signal is digital, it shouldn't matter what kind of antenna you are using or how it's getting to the tuner in the TV. Also, for the most part, OTA usually has the best quality of HDTV. It will probably get worse when you get a directivo since the satellite providers heavily compress their HD content.

When I say better I mean a more solid signal. I am getting an OTA installed on my roof. Right now I am using one 2 ft from my TV in my basement. So I would think I will get a better signal from on the roof meaning less drop outs and a more consistent signal on all the channels.

Do all OTA outputs go over Coax cable?
post #60 of 485
Question
What to do with the IR cable (or IR blaster) and port included with your FlatTV ?

Answer
The IR cable (or IR blaster) and port included with your FlatTV set were included in the event of future enhanced functionality. Accordingly, the IR output is not currently functional. Additional functionality to your TV set may be available in the future through a software upgrade, at which time you will be able to take advantage of the IR output cable (or IR blaster) and IR port.
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