Originally Posted by anthem
Also, even if the Adagio is spec'ed, you certainly couldn't do what he was asking above " lights, audio, phones, alarm" for a 'home control system'. I think the Adagio is more geared toward localized (smaller sub 6 keypad environs) areas of control and not whole house. Now certainly it might be possible to look at multiple units and simplified Crestron installs, but at that point you aren't really gaining much by having a crestron installation. . . (one could argue that Crestron is more reliable, more robust, more stable, but at the simple operational level - most other options are pretty close as well).
I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you are going to utilize crestron, you should at least look at using crestron not only because its more robust/stable/etc but also its capabilities and features that it gives you above and beyond what others can and at the same time still retain its robustness/stability.
The Adagio is not designed for bombs away full speed ahead system. It is designed to work with lighting and HVAC--albeit from Crestron. Sure you can interface into other products but it has a smaller 66MIPS cold fire processor which limits program size and far fewer serial ports. However, I could easily add a QM-RMC to this sysetm, off load some of the programming to it and communicate between the two via their Ethernet connections ( and I am trying not to be overly technical as this is not the Yahoo forum. ) My point is that the Adagio is more than a 4x6 localized distributed audio system. Perhaps it's the wrong product in this application. I would not use if I were going to interface into a security system where I was constantly polling for informtion or expecting to utilize feedback from the security system programatically ( PIR contact closure is read and lights turn on ).
Most lighting systems come with their own processor and Crestron's can also. If all I need to do is turn a light on and off and display led status it is not an especially large program. If I had to control 4-6 zones of HVAC that too would not be a really large amount of code. Then there is the code to deal with the Audio System. The Adagio is limited to 10 sources x 24 zones if one uses the AES and not the AADS. The AADS is 4x24. But many homes have need of only 9-14 zones of audio. Some of those will be surround sound and systems at this price point will have surround receivers. I could easily offer this system to a client and without issue control 4--60 lighting zones, 3-5 plasmas and a 16 zone audio system. I would need to add serial ports or at least add one way serial drivers from the Adagio's IR ports. The biggest limitation of the Adagio will be a shortage of serial and IR ports. But Crestron is marketing its wireless HVAC and lighting products along side the Adagio. I would therefore classify it in the Elan group of control systems with the very important distinction that I can write any kind of code I require to control any device on the market. I can build dynamic string values in run time, I can send HTML, I can use IR ports for one way serial. One ought not ( but I promise you some number of idiot dealers will ) use it for very large jobs where integration into pools, security, lighting and such is required. The Adagio is meant to utilize Crestron equipment. Crestron's IPOD interface, its audio server, its lighting and HVAC products. But this covers lots of systems, indeed most that I install--but not all. And the dealer is supposed to know the difference. But one of the reasons I have been off list for a while is I have been asked to fix problems from incompetant dealers. It is often easy to convince a client to write a check but constructing a system that is easy and reliable are too different things. Find a flexible dealer who knows what he is doing. I know of too many firms who do not.
To be clear. I am in agreement that the Adagio ought to be used in smaller integration jobs. But it can perfrom a lot of integration, as much if not more than would be found it a typical Elan/Niles/Russound installation. It is primarily a distributed audio system. But it can and has been designed to control lighting and HVAC. Phones are rarely an integration item. I would also suggest that comparing a Via to a CT-1000 or TPS-4L is more in line with apples to apples than comparing it to a TPS17. Budgets rear their ugly heads. But the APAD is very interesting product. It sill utilizes indirect text as opposed to composite video, has a click wheel and is "reasonably" priced for a Crestron product. At heart one ought to be looking at price, value, flexibilty and ease of use. I would not disagree that serial protocols ought to have static values for volume up and down but in too many cases they currently do not. A control system ought to be able to send any one way string a device requires. A failure to permit construction of a driver to accomplish this is a serious flaw in my opinion. As someone once pointed out on this board, Crestron processors offer serious value. Their interfaces do not.
While a CT-1000 or TPS-4L are expensive they are not SO expenisve. The point is that Crestron is not 2 to 4 times the price of its competitors unless we are including large touch panels and touch panels with lots of features such as audio and video. A 66 MIPs processor has limitiations but it still permits a lot of code to be written and the Adagio can be used to control many sub systems, including lighting, HVAC and security. What is done and how much control are legitemate questions. But if arming and disarming the system are all that is required, or some lifestyle buttons ( goodnight activates the night lighting scene and parameter security preset and turns off all audio ) is something the Adagio can easily do--assuming a competant installer and programmer who know how to code and the limitations of the product.