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post #181 of 1340
2/6/06 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by AtlPaul View Post

I realize that you asked who has the purple-ish-black but I thought I'd respond in any case. I do have the green blob, but I don't have purple-ish black. My set was professionally calibrated. I find blacks are generally as good as my prior CRT set. I run Pro mode, Warm setting, Low Noise reduction. Practically all of the other basic video settings (e.g. color, etc.) are the defaults with the exception of sharpness cut to 25 (which he measured and explained). Primarily, the service menu items are what the calibrator changed. Practially all of the advanced options are off except for Gamma Correction (low) and Advanced Iris (low) - all else Off. White balance settings are all zero because he adjusted all of that at the service menu level. Despite the blob the picture is spectacular even with very dark scenes. Hope that helps.

I'm just trying to determine if my set is somehow defective.

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post #182 of 1340
2/6/06 at 1:56pm
I'm about to buy a 60" from Circuit City, which has good return policies. At least I'll know what to look for when my set arrives. If I had to pick poisons, I could probably live with a slight glob over purple blacks. Yuck.

There seems to be some indications that the recent builds have solved or minimized some of these issues. You would think Sony would find a way to tweak the manufacturing process unless these problems are inherent in the LCoS panels and can't be easily fixed.
post #183 of 1340
2/6/06 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

I'm just trying to determine if my set is somehow defective.

At frys saturday, I saw the 50" with a big and very noticable green area and the purplish blacks top left. It sounds like its related to some degree.

On my set, the blacks might have a tinge of color to them and a little more prominent at the top left, but very very slight, say 97% uniform to the rest of the blacks. I can currently live with that small amount of variation, but if it gets worse...

All in all, the blacks are a huge improvement to my 50" Sony GWII LCD (which is currently waiting for disposition or re-instatement depending upon my final return or keep decision on the 60" sxrd).
post #184 of 1340
2/6/06 at 5:08pm
I liuckily don't seem to have any purple or whatever problems with my blacks .I am wondering auditor are you see these problems at reallly close viewing distance like under 8 feet or something.I notice more when get really close to set but at 8 feet or beyond the blacks seem fine.

and a lot of you guys are simply noticing the turn on green goes away in 5 to mabye 10 minutes.

I originally said no problem in my earlier posts and thought the same.Then discovered from looking at the memory stick screen with no memory stick in there that the green haze/cloud/blob was still there well after 5 to 10 minutes and in some cases more like an hour or more.Sony says 30 minutes in the bulletin on this problem for the sxrd.
Thats why am going to push for repair/replace /refund from sony.
I would be happy if they can just turn up the panel temps or something and get rid of it that way but not prepared to watch my set on cool or turn down green bias to cover up what is likely a lcos side effet or outright defect from sloppy factory calibrations.
I have my room usually around 65 to 70 degrees.I am not going to run my room at 80 or 90 to make the green problem go away. Also no one much cares about the initial green fade down.The problem is RESIDUAL green that can be seen in active picture..especially noticed in gray areas and also noticed it pretty easy in things like smoke on my call of duty xbox 360 game.
I don't think I should have to settle for this problem.I paid big money for the set.
See what tech does or tells me tommorrow .That is first contact with sony service on tech level.
post #185 of 1340
2/7/06 at 8:17am
Well I am going to finally weigh in my 2 cents on this green blob issue. I have been holding out since I don't have the heart for this any more since I just went through mulitiple repairs on my Hitachi 50V500 before they offered to buy it back. I was elated to be done with that set which had a design flaw that caused the the set to eventually turn red see the V500 issues thread for more details.

So at any rate Hitachi was great and offered a full refund via a Manfactures return after the second unsuccesful Light Engine replacement. Circuit City gave me a store Credit and I stretched and paid extra to get the latest and greatest in the 50XBR1 back in Nov. Well of course now it is about the same price as my credit was but that is another story.

The green blob is a real issue if you notice it during an active picture if it is still present after the initial warm up period. On mine I still see it after several hours on grey screens like the memory stick screen or during Black and white movies. It is beyond annoying for such an expensive TV to have such a defect and if I had not just finished going through my fiasco with my last TV then I would call Sony today and start the process for a repair or replacement until I was satified.

AL B please start the process, in the end it will be worth it. Now that football season is over I may start the process my self. Eventually Sony will have to addess this problem.

For the record could one of you who claims to not have any green discoloration please post a picture of the Memory Stick Screen with the lights out. I would like to believe that my set is in the 10% or less that has the issue. Because minus the green blob the picture is the best I have ever seen from an HDTV.
post #186 of 1340
2/7/06 at 9:30am
Well i have NO GREEN BLOB AND NO PURPLE BLACK on my set at all except for about 1 minute on warm up. By the time the screen is fully bright the greeen hue donut has completely dissappeared which i wouldnt notice as anything but warmup had it not been for the AVS forum. My 50" SXRD is a Jan 2006 build and i have a pic of the memory stick screen
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post #187 of 1340
2/7/06 at 9:33am
Works for me.
post #188 of 1340
2/7/06 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by gatti-man View Post

Well i have NO GREEN BLOB AND NO PURPLE BLACK on my set at all except for about 1 minute on warm up. By the time the screen is fully bright the greeen hue donut has completely dissappeared which i wouldnt notice as anything but warmup had it not been for the AVS forum. My 50" SXRD is a Jan 2006 build and i have a pic of the memory stick screen

I am feeeling that the 50's have less of an issue...
post #189 of 1340
2/7/06 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by audiomixer View Post

I am feeeling that the 50's have less of an issue...

Odd, it wasn't too long ago you were saying you thought all SXRDs had it.
J
post #190 of 1340
2/7/06 at 10:05am
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Originally Posted by Big J View Post

Odd, it wasn't too long ago you were saying you thought all SXRDs had it.
J

I said LESS of an issue... I still believe that ALL do have a problem.
Some of you just can't see it...
post #191 of 1340
2/7/06 at 10:09am
well mine is a jan 06 build maybe they finally fixed the issues. I have to say ive watched B&W feeds, HD feeds, normal feeds all black screens all white screens. There is no color polarizing in corners or any kind of defects at all. It is simply the most amazing picture ive ever seen (once you turn it off vivid and turn the iris to 2)
post #192 of 1340
2/7/06 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by audiomixer View Post

I said LESS of an issue... I still believe that ALL do have a problem.
Some of you just can't see it...

Ok. Its possible that its in my set, but I cannot see it.
My wife cannot see it.
My freinds cannot see it.
Even the guy from Comcast couldn't see it.
So, is it there?
I'm sure you'ld find it whether its there ar not.
The real question is, if its there, and nobody can see it, then is it a problem?
J
PS. We watch a fair number of B&W movies.
post #193 of 1340
2/7/06 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by gatti-man View Post

well mine is a jan 06 build maybe they finally fixed the issues. I have to say ive watched B&W feeds, HD feeds, normal feeds all black screens all white screens. There is no color polarizing in corners or any kind of defects at all. It is simply the most amazing picture ive ever seen (once you turn it off vivid and turn the iris to 2)

50 or 60"?
post #194 of 1340
2/7/06 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by Big J View Post

Ok. ..
The real question is...

If your set is SO perfect, why are you on this forum commenting about people that do have problems and are trying to find some answers? Watch your "perfect" TV instead!

P.S.: And honestly, I am happy for you...
post #195 of 1340
2/7/06 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by AkaStp View Post

It wasn't too long ago when you were commenting about how perfect your SXRD was and how it didn't have any problems.

And then...6 weeks later, it begaon developing problems.
I have clarified myself since then... (back at you..)
post #196 of 1340
2/7/06 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by audiomixer View Post

If your set is SO perfect, why are you on this forum commenting about people that do have problems and are trying to find some answers? Watch your "perfect" TV instead!

P.S.: And honestly, I am happy for you...

1) I never said my set was perfect, but I do resent people telling me that ALL SXRDs have problems.
2) I'm not at home.
3) A good TV still doesn't improve the content of what's on TV.
4) I've actually been trying to help-I even posted my ambient temp for people. I'm guessing the temp/3d gamma is the right direction to follow.
J
post #197 of 1340
2/7/06 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by AkaStp View Post

Are you sure it began developing problems after 6 weeks or is that when you first started noticing problems, perhaps as a result of reading about them here? I know I never saw a green glob at startup for the first 4-6 weeks I had my TV until I read about it here.

If you look for something hard enough, you'll find it.

He posted this earlier in the thread:

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I have had friends over and none of them see it all...

Only me...

J
post #198 of 1340
2/7/06 at 10:30am
Whether you read it here or not, if there's a real problem you will see it.
post #199 of 1340
2/7/06 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by Big J View Post

1) I never said my set was perfect, but I do resent people telling me that ALL SXRDs have problems.
2) I'm not at home.
3) A good TV still doesn't improve the content of what's on TV.
4) I've actually been trying to help-I even posted my ambient temp for people. I'm guessing the temp/3d gamma is the right direction to follow.
J

Please keep posting. I'm one of those people that likes to hear ALL sides of a story.
post #200 of 1340
2/7/06 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by maximum360 View Post

Whether you read it here or not, if there's a real problem you will see it.

Thank You...I just think that some people are more sensitive to it than others...
post #201 of 1340
2/7/06 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by gatti-man View Post

Well i have NO GREEN BLOB AND NO PURPLE BLACK on my set at all except for about 1 minute on warm up. By the time the screen is fully bright the greeen hue donut has completely dissappeared which i wouldnt notice as anything but warmup had it not been for the AVS forum. My 50" SXRD is a Jan 2006 build and i have a pic of the memory stick screen

It is good to hear that not all sets have this problem. I really like this TV and don't want to have to return it to get a different model.


Looks like you took the picture off axis. Would you say that the grey is uniform across the entire screen?

Thanks again.
post #202 of 1340
2/7/06 at 10:50am
I also believe that indeed some are more sensitive to the issues than others. Also, the severity of the issues vary from set to set (as is always the case). It just so happened that the issues with both my sets were very obvious to me (and to the repair men as well).
post #203 of 1340
2/7/06 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by maximum360 View Post

I also believe that indeed some are more sensitive to the issues than others. Also, the severity of the issues vary from set to set (as is always the case). It just so happened that the issues with both my sets were very obvious to me (and to the repair men as well).

And...I'm sorry...has it been resolved?
post #204 of 1340
2/7/06 at 11:20am
I let the set run for 48+ hours and the green hazy did not go away it starts at the middle of the screen and goes down to the lower right corner so it takes up allot of screen real estate. After shutting down the set for 12+ hours and turning it on the Green Donut is very prominent and disapates into the Green hazy.

I have also noticed while watching DVD's connected via component I get a Purple/Bluish hazy on the right side of the screen that runs from the top to the bottom in a 6 inch vertical line. I ran the THX video calibration from the Star Wars III DVD and when I went to the Circle in the double Rectangle test the screen jumped as it should to full but it did not seem to be centered. It was more to the left of the screen the same amount as the width of the Purple/Bluish vertical line.

My blacks seem black to me on the rest of the screen and this vertical line only seems present in DVD's and on the Black of dark colored scenes on the right of the screen! Light colored scenes do not seem to be affected. Very odd.

Have those people who have had thier sets fixed by Sony been happy? Wondering if I should start the set swap out process or let Sony fix it. It seems some people do not even have the Green Donut on start up (If it was there you would see it) so some sets are just fine from the start. I am not going to start limiting myself on settings to fix an error that is not present on every set.
post #205 of 1340
2/7/06 at 12:09pm
Update on my set..I just had local sony tech come by .First look.It was pretty obvious on the memory stick screen of course.He put in some test thing on input and ran it thru some basic tests..they looked like white and various shades of grey screens.
It was there of course again.I even checked it again today on my COD2 xbox 360 game after a good hour and its still there in the game..pretty obvious.
I showed him the bulletin and he didn't seem to think it was real.I think he checked with sony..at least he said he did and seemed again to think the bulletin I showed him was fake.
He is calling sony now I guess for further instructions. I had a few guys tell me that bulletin I posted was genuine so not sure what this local service shop guy is up to.
Have to wait a bit more I guess. I am not going to let the set slide anymore.My green is very visible after hour or more.
That pic of the 50 inch does look good..how long after warmup did you take the memory pic shot?
I will say this 100 more times.If the set only stayed green for 5 maybe 10 minutes would not care but its still visible in active picture more than an hour after turn on.Temp in room near set is 70 degrees. Not much else to do but start demanding new set,new light engine or refund.
I just hope if this guy puts in a new light engine he does a good job.I was not over impressed by the tech to tell the truth.He seems like a walkman repair guy.He said the set was LCD and I said LCOS and he looked clueless.He has not worked on any of these yet.I think most people in my city are blissfully ignorant of the problems in most of their sets.After all the green is pretty subtle in most sets after warm up.Its pretty subtle in mine but it is there.No arguing that.
I would try for a pic but pics have hard time showing it.I just got my camera and not really that good with it.I may try though to get one.

It does appear especially some jan guys seem to have no or very mimimal problem.
I would think it does show a bit more on 60 inch sets as everything is bigger but have personally seen bad cases of it on 50 inch in local store and it was on pretty much all day they said and still visible in active picture to me and salesmen once i pointed it out.

So again will keep you guys posted.
post #206 of 1340
2/7/06 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by AL B. View Post

Update on my set..I just had local sony tech come by .First look.It was pretty obvious on the memory stick screen of course.He put in some test thing on input and ran it thru some basic tests..they looked like white and various shades of grey screens.
It was there of course again.I even checked it again today on my COD2 xbox 360 game after a good hour and its still there in the game..pretty obvious.
I showed him the bulletin and he didn't seem to think it was real.I think he checked with sony..at least he said he did and seemed again to think the bulletin I showed him was fake.
He is calling sony now I guess for further instructions. I had a few guys tell me that bulletin I posted was genuine so not sure what this local service shop guy is up to.
Have to wait a bit more I guess. I am not going to let the set slide anymore.My green is very visible after hour or more.
That pic of the 50 inch does look good..how long after warmup did you take the memory pic shot?
I will say this 100 more times.If the set only stayed green for 5 maybe 10 minutes would not care but its still visible in active picture more than an hour after turn on.Temp in room near set is 70 degrees. Not much else to do but start demanding new set,new light engine or refund.
I just hope if this guy puts in a new light engine he does a good job.I was not over impressed by the tech to tell the truth.He seems like a walkman repair guy.He said the set was LCD and I said LCOS and he looked clueless.He has not worked on any of these yet.I think most people in my city are blissfully ignorant of the problems in most of their sets.After all the green is pretty subtle in most sets after warm up.Its pretty subtle in mine but it is there.No arguing that.
I would try for a pic but pics have hard time showing it.I just got my camera and not really that good with it.I may try though to get one.

It does appear especially some jan guys seem to have no or very mimimal problem.
I would think it does show a bit more on 60 inch sets as everything is bigger but have personally seen bad cases of it on 50 inch in local store and it was on pretty much all day they said and still visible in active picture to me and salesmen once i pointed it out.

So again will keep you guys posted.

If the repair man looks questionable I have no problem telling him thanks for coming and pointing him to the door. Not all repair men are created equally. Some are very good at persuasion (persuading you there is no issue) and others just flat out lie (probably because they realize how much work might be ahead of them if they decide to attempt a fix). If you can find a Meyer Emco in your area, they are qualified sony repair men, so I would feel at least better going with one of them than some other place.

The first repair man that came by to see my set last october was the worst.
post #207 of 1340
2/7/06 at 12:52pm
I had a thought to check this out. Couldn't you copy files similiar as the LCD test screens, all White, Black, Blue, Red and Green to the memory stick and play them through the TV so you have uniform color to check things out?
post #208 of 1340
2/7/06 at 1:03pm
I did a simlar thing by downloading test screens off the net and then can stream them over to my tv thru my xbox 360.Works good.So I have test screens for various shades of gray etc.
Its all a bit of waste of time.there is definite green residual on my set after even an hour or more think actually it never goes away.LUCKY ME!!

I will wait to see what the service guy says sony said and if they say too bad so sad then phone sony,my lawyer whoever..These guys seem to be the only authorized sony repair depot for many hundreds of miles.I am in a city of 200,000 or so not a small town either.The repair shop is actually only a few blocks from me..not far away at all..Took over a week for them to come out the first time and who knows how long to do something about it now but actually might be better to delay things a bit in case newer jan or feb builds really are better.
I am very curious to see if that bulletin number is legit..as have no way to verify it personally..
post #209 of 1340
2/7/06 at 2:22pm
Nov 2005 SP1. 50" No problems. I did however notice some green areas on the display models at CC and BB. All 3 of those were Sept 2005 builds. I've only had it since Saturday so I'll keep my fingers crossed but now for, it looks absolutely gorgeous!


By the way, does anyone in the DFW area know whether ABC (HD) is available in our area? I can get all my locals in HD except for ABC (channel 8.1)
post #210 of 1340
2/7/06 at 2:37pm
Thanks for keeping us up to date AL B.

As to the repair man, I was not too impressed with the guys that did the Warrantee work on my Hitachi. They swapped the LE and I think in some repects they made it worse. I pushed for a refund after that and got it.

They try to make the LE easy to swap in general though so maybe this one is easier to just drop in and go. You may get lucky.

Thanks again for keeping us up to date.
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