Originally Posted by greenjudas
Peter, You must be fairly unimpressed with the Dali's.Having just bought them,you are now selling them.
Like you,I had some JBL's and they were generally a harsh,bright sounding speaker system,but recently I bought the Dali Suite 2.8,0.8 centre and rears with matching sub.These are the best I have had by a fair margin,not only for H/T but 2 ch listening as well.Running them with Rotel gear and am happy with the results.
As you said,the Martin Logans have spoilt you,but I would be interested to know why you havent been taken by the Dali's
Dali IV was my 1st set of speakers that I ever owned (back in the mid 80s), followed by the JBL L7 (plus L5 and CL505) in the lat 90's and then the Martin Logans 3 years ago. The IV only cost $200 brand new direct, real wood (not just veneer but REAL wood!) In some ways, those $200 speakers sounded better than the $2000 L7s!
Well, I was using the JBLs for HT and the MLs for 2CH. To make a long story short, I wanted to upgrade the JBL center, but the ML center is just sooo expensive. So always having that 1st TRUE LOVE with my Dali speakers, I read uo a bit about them, fell in love with the way the Suite looked, auditioned them, liked the sound, got an incredible price offer and so I purhcased them. A considerable improvement over the JBLs. I knew they wouldn't sound as good as the MLs, but just for kicks I decided to play them side by side against the MLs. Oh my God -Yuck!!...
Now, previoulsy for kicks I swapped my MLs with the L7s in my HT system, and maybe because the temporary swap still used the JBL center, I didn't notice that much difference in sound. And it's well known that sound quality is, but is not as crucial in HT for as it is in 2CH, yet I wanted a better center cause quite often I would have to rewind and then set the subtitles on to figure out what the heck people were saying.
Then a week later I started helping my buddy in purchasing an HT system. His speaker budget started off at about $700. I convinced him to increase it to $2100
Magnolia had ML Montage at a close out: $1300 down to $800. Fresco center from $1000 to $600. Sold. Went back to his place and It sounded INCREDIBLE! Went back to my place and watched a movie...teeth were clenched the whole time in utter disgust while my head kept shaking from side to side in disapoitment. UHG! lol!
The Dalis, although better than the JBLs in siblilance, still has some kinda weird anomilies when you hear certain highs around the tweeter crossover frequency, especially when listening to Steve Perry sing (of Journey). It's almost like a raspy cracling sound (but not at all something that a damaged tweeter would sound like). If I put my open palm in front of it less than a foot away, it improves it considerably.
They also aren't as 3 demensional as the MLs. Dalis sound like they are emitting sound from where the speakers are, ML sound like they are all over the place with most of the focus in the center, floating half way between them and me. And the sound is BIG! It sounds like a big huge solid wall just slams in your face - literally a huge solid wall! And this wall is tight, quick, sudden and very responsive! This solid wall "effect" has always been a Martin Logan, in my opinion, "trademark" effect. You especially hear it with percussions. Plus they are very articulate, smooth with no edginess and most importantly they sound like the real thing. They just sound so real, like there are no speakers there but real musicians. You just need to audition a set of Martin Logans to hear/see what I mean...or sit front row center of a live "unplugged" Jazz band. But be warned, you may, no you WILL end up with the contagious upgrade bug! lol!
I mean, the Dali's I got were at a good price, they sound really good, better than average set of speakers for the price they are listed at (in most ways, I liked them better than the more expensive Ikons), but they aren't nothing like the MLs - now way about it! (And its not expected for a set of $1350 speakers to sound as good as a $4800 set. Would you expect an BMW 3 series to perform as well as a Ferarri?). I can only blame myself for making a quick and somewhat impulsive decision. I guess I just didn't really think HT could sound so good.
I bought the MLs used for less than 1/2 the list price and this is what I should've done and now am trying to do again with a smaller set of MLs to build up the HT system.
So, I have them for sale at audiogon. Believe it or not, they have had 1/2 as many hits (views) as the JBLs listed there (they're were listed together on the same day). Here in the States Dali is not as well know as JBL (or anywhere for that matter). If you want to see the set up, you can go there as well as to the photo gallery at audioreview dot com. Same user ID.
Curious, what were your old speakers and what others have you auditioned? Did you know they Suites are discontinued (they took them off their website the week after I purchased them).