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post #61 of 263
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Originally Posted by Semisentient
How did you slow the fans, if I may ask?
Zener diodes in series to drop the voltage, Pretty rude sort of way to do it . I am thinking of ways to use variable voltage regulators with feedback from in case temperature variables .

Another thing that annoys me about the 1292 is it lacks continuously variable Scheimflug adjustments , that I loved on the G70
post #62 of 263
Cliff,

Rumor has it that your boy from VA will be able to get a first hand look at an MP 1292 along with Pete this weekend. After all the recent love making he has been doing with his G90, he should be able to give you a first hand comparison between the 1292 and his three-eyed-Heidi-Fleiss!

:)

Mike
post #63 of 263
I have both a 1292Q and a G70 (hooked up within the past week). For picture quality there is no question that the 1292 is far superior. I run it at 1080p. I run the G70 at 720p since it won't sync to 1080p using the Moome DVI card.

For setup and adjustment the G70 has the 1292Q beat hands down.

From a noise standpoint there is no competition - the G70 runs much quieter.

So which do I prefer? The 1292Q! The picture quality is about as good as it gets.
post #64 of 263
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dochlywd
Cliff,

Rumor has it that your boy from VA will be able to get a first hand look at an MP 1292 along with Pete this weekend. After all the recent love making he has been doing with his G90, he should be able to give you a first hand comparison between the 1292 and his three-eyed-Heidi-Fleiss!

:)

Mike
Ahhhh yes, I know about that visit. If he goes, then I can imagine that he will throw his full opinion my way.

As far as the love making thing........ You Jealous??????? ;) :D ;) :D

Cliffy
post #65 of 263
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 1011fan
I have both a 1292Q and a G70 (hooked up within the past week). For picture quality there is no question that the 1292 is far superior. I run it at 1080p. I run the G70 at 720p since it won't sync to 1080p using the Moome DVI card.

For setup and adjustment the G70 has the 1292Q beat hands down.

From a noise standpoint there is no competition - the G70 runs much quieter.

So which do I prefer? The 1292Q! The picture quality is about as good as it gets.
That's odd. I had no problem doing 1080P on my G70 with moome's external box with a VP30 even though it looked like complete crap........

Tell me more about the setup and adjustment please. What kind of EM focus adjustments do you get in the service menu of the 1292? Is the 1292 a lot harder to setup?? Do you get G2 in the service menu?? Bias and gain??

Cliff
post #66 of 263
Not really. When you compare the noise reviews, his 90 is like banging a dead frog with it's legs in the air whereas my 1292 is a real SCREAMER baby!

GETTY-UP!

Mike
post #67 of 263
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dochlywd
Not really. When you compare the noise reviews, his 90 is banging a dead frog with it's legs in the air whereas my 1292 is a real SCREAMER baby!

GETTY-UP!

Mike
Good one!!!!! :D
post #68 of 263
Too bad the ol' wife has been more of a 90 lately! Which reminds me, I better get back upstairs before I get the cold shoulder because she is soooo jealous of the time I spend on this forum.

"Coming Dear!"
post #69 of 263
This conversation just goes to show why I should NEVER go look at a G90 or Cine 9. Heck, the forum made me drive 1400 miles and pick up a G70 before I ever even started my theater a couple of months ago. It hasn't even been plugged in yet and you guys have me looking at the 9 inchers that are on the net. JEESH...

btw. GregG70, I mean, Greg1292's G70 did look way better to me at 1080p. No comparison to 960p.
post #70 of 263
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by edfowler
This conversation just goes to show why I should NEVER go look at a G90 or Cine 9. Heck, the forum made me drive 1400 miles and pick up a G70 before I ever even started my theater a couple of months ago. It hasn't even been plugged in yet and you guys have me looking at the 9 inchers that are on the net. JEESH...

btw. GregG70, I mean, Greg1292's G70 did look way better to me at 1080p. No comparison to 960p.
What do you mean by no comparison to 960P?? They were both identical?? Your saying that the G70 does a better 1080P than the 1292????????

Cliff

P.S. Stop looking at things on the net!! You have a G70! BE HAPPY!!!! ;)
post #71 of 263
I mean that the 1080 p looked nice and made the 960p look like crap when he switched to it. I don't know how the 1292 does 1080p.

BTW, 1080p looked the best to me by far on my G808 using a DVDO HD+.

P.S. Stop looking at things on the net!! You have a G70! BE HAPPY!!!! Right back at cha!!
post #72 of 263
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by edfowler
I mean that the 1080 p looked nice and made the 960p look like crap when he switched to it. I don't know how the 1292 does 1080p.

BTW, 1080p looked the best to me by far on my G808 using a DVDO HD+.

P.S. Stop looking at things on the net!! You have a G70! BE HAPPY!!!! Right back at cha!!
Oh ED. You poor guy.

If you think 1080P looks good on a G808 DON'T EVER GO LOOK AT A 9"!!!!!!! :D

It will save you LOTS OF CASH.

Cliffy
post #73 of 263
And we will leave it at that.

Must...surf...net...for...G 90..............
post #74 of 263
Ed thanks for the kind words and I finished up the focus and geometry today. Yes a G70 syncs perfectly with a Moomee card using an HTPC and having owned both in the past year I don't see the hype on the 1292.

The beam spot is tighter and you don't need to do all the mods to make it work.

The text at 1080p is lazer sharp and the video is incredible. Before the moomee card I couldn't get the G70 to sync like 960p. The picture is not soft and I am not over driving the crts.

Go for the G90 or 9500lc or keep what you got!!!!!!!!
post #75 of 263
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Originally Posted by overclkr
If you think 1080P looks good on a G808 DON'T EVER GO LOOK AT A 9"!!!!!!! :D
You're never going to get a G90 if you keep encouraging people to bid against you. ;)

--Darin
post #76 of 263
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Originally Posted by edfowler
This conversation just goes to show why I should NEVER go look at a G90 or Cine 9. Heck, the forum made me drive 1400 miles and pick up a G70 before I ever even started my theater a couple of months ago. It hasn't even been plugged in yet and you guys have me looking at the 9 inchers that are on the net. JEESH...
Hahah yeah. It didn't matter that I had no htpc, no sound system, no dedicated room. I went and grabbed an XG and stashed it for 7 months. :P Actually because there wasn't room on the floor, it sat on my bed and I slept with it for a few months, but that's too off topic for this thread :)
post #77 of 263
Maybe things changed but the last I heard was...

1292 tubes are not re-build-able.

New tubes cost ~$2100 each while they are still available.

Maybe it's just me but ever since I had concerns about tube availability with my 1271,.. I've only looked at pj's for which re-builds are available. I don't want tube availability troubles. (Re-tube-ing can be fun.)

-B
post #78 of 263
When I had my 1292, one thing which really stood out was the heat from the unit and the thing was loud. If I remember correctly, 13 fans!! Because the unit was a few feet infront and above my seating area, I basically closed all the heating vents in my theater room (not kidding)...this projector acted as a heater too. And the thing was huge!

Apart from some horizontal lines appearing in dark pictures with bight images (say street lights, etc etc), the picture quality was great. My screen was a studiotek 130, 92" widescreen. The high def picture quality was really really nice.

Since I moved over to a digital projector, I reopened my heating vents.
post #79 of 263
That is a shame about the G90 green crt tube condition. It looked promising but at 2100 a crt I don't know!!!!!!!
post #80 of 263
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Originally Posted by darinp2
You're never going to get a G90 if you keep encouraging people to bid against you. ;)

--Darin
I was just thinking that... still, it wouldn't be kosher. i have to remind myself: must not bid against fellow avsforum member. must not bid against fellow avsforum member. must not bid against fellow avsforum member. must not bid against fellow avsforum member....
post #81 of 263
I am the guy that purchased Greg's 1292 last year. It had 348 hours on it. Tubes were pristine. It was a late model 1292 and had the HD-10F lenses on it.

After spending 3 nights doing the adjustments on it I can say it does 1080p on a 95" screen with visible scan lines at 3 feet. 720p at 6 feet and 576p at 3 miles.

I have also had the pleasure of helping a mate set up a G70 with only 153 hours on it and I can say that it would not resolve 1080p but would do a nice 960p image.

pro's and cons are this.

noise..... I can not tell the difference between the two as mine has been fan modded by Specboy and is quieter than my old 1272 which had the mods done to it as well(power supply).

picture...... Well The 1292 does 1080p easy were as the G70 could not do it so I would have to say I would choose the 1292

Looks.....1292 as I believe this to be the bet looking projector out there.

set up..... G70 hands down great scheimflueg adjustments. Prefer the lenses on the 1292 though.

useability..... G70 has component, yer great 2 years ago but with the moome card this is not a problem.

I think it is always going to come down to condition. I would take a G70 over a 1292 if it was in better condition and vice versa.

But if they were both pristine 1292 all the way.

Sweetchuck you should drive down the range and have a look at my setup sometime.
post #82 of 263
rxv,
There is a difference between couldn't get 1080p and outside of the projectors ability. I know I have been parroting this a lot, but tse has stated that an 8" tube can resolve 1080p. It will be a little muddy in the corners, but fully resolved in the center. At ultra high resolutions, miniscule adjustments are mandatory. Since tse works for VDC, I know he can do it on their projectors (Ampro and Marquee). It still needs to be determined if the other 8" projectors can do it.

Ericglo
post #83 of 263
Setting the lens flapping on the 1292 isnt all that hard if you know how.

Hint, Never try to adjust lens flapping using a sharp line image. Always defocus it with the lens so the the lines are about 1/2 inch wide and adjust for width not sharpness.

I have never had to adjust much more than the lens programs says to get it perfect. 1080p sharp from one side to the other. With scan lines at 4 feet from the screen. Try doing that with the G70 !!
post #84 of 263
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Originally Posted by rxv3000
Sweetchuck you should drive down the range and have a look at my setup sometime.
I don't have to drive down the range , I live on the side of it :) . Sure I'll come down and then you can have a look at my setup . Nearly finished now I just have to finish the velvet trimming on the screen , believe it or not this has been the hardest part of the build :( what a PITA.
post #85 of 263
I don't own either projector but I would take the 1292 over the G70 hands down. Everything else equal, the 9" tubes mated with their bigger lenses are always going to outperform G70 8" tubes. And if you later decide you can't live with all of the design shortcomings of the 1292 chassis, you can always pull the tubes and put them in a Marquee or Barco. Contrary to what you may have heard from others, MEC and Sony 9" tubes are readily interchangable. The only real difference is the neck board pinout assignment and that is very easy to modify. So I would go after a cheap 1292 if only to get the 9" tubes.

End of story.
post #86 of 263
Ericglo,

With a fair bit of tweaking it was just to soft for my liking. 1292 can do it no problems were if a G70 could it would be at it's absolute upper limits.
post #87 of 263
who-ho this is my 50th post :)
post #88 of 263
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Originally Posted by garyfritz
He almost did, two days ago! Ebay #5857499908...
Am I missing something here or did someone just give away $6200?
post #89 of 263
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Originally Posted by raoul
I was just thinking that... still, it wouldn't be kosher. i have to remind myself: must not bid against fellow avsforum member. must not bid against fellow avsforum member. must not bid against fellow avsforum member. must not bid against fellow avsforum member....
What is the big deal? Seems everyone does it all the time.


rxv,
I understand.


One thing that needs to be brought into the equation is parts availability and pricing.

Ericglo
post #90 of 263
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Originally Posted by Ericglo
There is a difference between couldn't get 1080p and outside of the projectors ability. I know I have been parroting this a lot, but tse has stated that an 8" tube can resolve 1080p. It will be a little muddy in the corners, but fully resolved in the center.
No disrespect to tse, who is very knowledgeable, but none of the setup gurus agree with that statement.
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