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post #2101 of 2201
It sure seems like you got a bad one, definitely take it back for an exchange.
post #2102 of 2201
has anyone tried this http://www.selen.org/sonydvd.html just wondering if it truly does make it region free
post #2103 of 2201
The Situation:
I have a Sony SXRD 60A2020 (1080P) that's currently being fed, via component, a 480i signal from a 4-year-old Sony DVP-NC655P. Cinemotion is set at auto and DRC is High Density. The image has been carefully calibrated with DVE and Avia.

I arrived at the current configuration after LOTS (probably 20-30 hours) of comparisons and tweaks. For the record, all other image "enhancements" (detail enhancer, noise reduction) are disabled (they did horrendous things, IMO). It looks pretty good on most sources, excellent on some (LOTR, SWE3).

Finally, were I to get an upscaling DVD player it would be connected via HDMI.

The Question:
Could anyone attest whether the NS75H is more capable at upconverting (to 1080i)and/or deinterlacing than the current-generation SXRD?

I find that without DRC on, the image is overly-soft. But with it on -- and in varying degrees, depending on the disc -- things can get slightly to very noisy, and there is in every case ever-so-slight EE that cannot be disabled.

I wonder whether the NS75H alleviates these issues, while still providing the (sometimes remarkable) clarity and detail provided by DRC. Or better, whether the NS75 is even better...when mated with this particular set, of course. Or worse, if it essentially has the same scaling as the SXRD, the only benefit thus being a direct-digital interface with HDMI.

Thanks for reading this long post. And if it's not too much to ask, please only reply if you've got both this player (or its changer equivalent) AND an equivalent SXRD. PM me if you like, to keep this thread from getting even MORE cluttered.
post #2104 of 2201
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Originally Posted by powerknowledge View Post

The Situation:
I have a Sony SXRD 60A2020 (1080P) that's currently being fed, via component, a 480i signal from a 4-year-old Sony DVP-NC655P. Cinemotion is set at auto and DRC is High Density. The image has been carefully calibrated with DVE and Avia.

I arrived at the current configuration after LOTS (probably 20-30 hours) of comparisons and tweaks. For the record, all other image "enhancements" (detail enhancer, noise reduction) are disabled (they did horrendous things, IMO). It looks pretty good on most sources, excellent on some (LOTR, SWE3).

Finally, were I to get an upscaling DVD player it would be connected via HDMI.

The Question:
Could anyone attest whether the NS75H is more capable at upconverting (to 1080i)and/or deinterlacing than the current-generation SXRD?

I find that without DRC on, the image is overly-soft. But with it on -- and in varying degrees, depending on the disc -- things can get slightly to very noisy, and there is in every case ever-so-slight EE that cannot be disabled.

I wonder whether the NS75H alleviates these issues, while still providing the (sometimes remarkable) clarity and detail provided by DRC. Or better, whether the NS75 is even better...when mated with this particular set, of course. Or worse, if it essentially has the same scaling as the SXRD, the only benefit thus being a direct-digital interface with HDMI.

Thanks for reading this long post. And if it's not too much to ask, please only reply if you've got both this player (or its changer equivalent) AND an equivalent SXRD. PM me if you like, to keep this thread from getting even MORE cluttered.

I have the NC85, which is the 5-disc changer version of the NS75, connected to a 52XBR3 LCD TV (prior to that I had the 50XBR1 SXRD) and after using at 1080i over HDMI for a while I tried it at 480p (still over HDMI) and preferred that better. This would seem to suggest that the upconversion in the TV (uses DRV-MFv2.5) is better than that in the player. At the TV end I've tried DRC Modes 1, 2 and Off and prefer Mode 1. Mode 2 seems to be rather noisy for upconverted material even though its the mode Sony recommends for upconverted material.
post #2105 of 2201
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Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad View Post

I have the NC85, which is the 5-disc changer version of the NS75, connected to a 52XBR3 LCD TV (prior to that I had the 50XBR1 SXRD) and after using at 1080i over HDMI for a while I tried it at 480p (still over HDMI) and preferred that better. This would seem to suggest that the upconversion in the TV (uses DRV-MFv2.5) is better than that in the player. At the TV end I've tried DRC Modes 1, 2 and Off and prefer Mode 1. Mode 2 seems to be rather noisy for upconverted material even though its the mode Sony recommends for upconverted material.

Thanks for this!

Unfortunately, this isn't quite as "apples to apples" on the display side as I'd hoped: the SXRD 1) Uses DRC-MFv1 (and I haven't been able to find a good comparison between this and the higher-end, newer v2.5 in the Bravias and XBR2s); 2) Only has one level / mode of DRC for moving images ("High Density"/4X; likely one of the upgrades in V2.5 is selectable DRC then?); and 3) DRC is defeated when feeding the set any signal above 480i (the SXRD does, of course, upscale everything to 1080p, but without the DRC on for SD, 480i/p sources, the image is overly-soft, with fine details completely obscured -- of course, comparatively speaking to what it looks like with DRC on).

So all that to say that it's clear that YOUR set's upscaling/VP is superior to the NS75/NC85; it's also likely superior to my set's. Which leaves you in a position that I envy, and me, perhaps, still at square one.

But again, I really do appreciate the response! Anyone else?

Edit: Maybe the question is better put this way: How does the NS75's 1080i image (untouched by any SXRD image processing) over HDMI compare to what the set does to a clean, component-fed, 480i signal run through Cinemotion and DRC (with all other video processing adjustments/enhancements/etc. set at off or default)? Particularly interested in: clarity, depth, color, and noise.
post #2106 of 2201
powerknowledge,

If you haven't already thought of it, you may want to post this in the thread about your specific TV. Double your chances of a "apples to apples" comparison.

I have the NC85 version and it does a way better job of scaling on my KDF-50E2000 (720p).

Rob
post #2107 of 2201
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Originally Posted by girdnerg View Post

powerknowledge,

If you haven't already thought of it, you may want to post this in the thread about your specific TV. Double your chances of a "apples to apples" comparison.

I have the NC85 version and it does a way better job of scaling on my KDF-50E2000 (720p).

Rob

Thanks, might do that. I posted here because a) some other folks (a while back in the thread) briefly mentioned they had paired this player with the same TV I have, and b) if I go to the page for my TV, I'll get 3 pages of people telling me to get an Oppo instead.

Looking at the specs for your set, this seems like a more "apples to apples" comparison on the video processing side of things: the whole 720p vs. 1080p difference notwithstanding, my set and yours have the same DRC, scaling engine, etc.

So a question for you, if you don't mind: had you ever tried running a 480i DVD signal into your set and applied Cinemotion and DRC to it -- and if so, how did/does THAT compare to the NC85's upscaled image? It's that exact A/B comparison that I'm really interested in, if you'd be so kind.

Thanks!!!
post #2108 of 2201
Just hooked up the Sony 75H via HDMI to my 4 month old Samsung HL-S5086w DLP and I must say I wasn't wowed by the upconverting abilities of the Sony 75H. Before the Sony 75H I had a 6 year old Sony DVD player hooked via component @ 480i and the picture was outstanding with the Samsung doing the deinterlacing & upconversion. Because of this I was on the fence about getting a an upconverting DVD player. After reading the forums here for a few months I took the plunge and got the Sony 75H hoping to see an improvement. Not so much, after playing around with it for a while I get the best results with setting the player to 480p and let the display do the work. When I set the Sony 75H to 720p I got a lot of noise in the picture and lost a lot of detail compared to the old Sony @ 480i component.

My experience with different setups that I've seen is that the newer HDTV's do a great job of upconverting DVD than displays in the past. I did notice quite an improvement in the sound department though so I think it was a good purchase just for that matter. Just my two sense, I'm no expert by any means but I want to get into habit of contributing to this great community instead of just being an observer.
post #2109 of 2201
I thought that my 75H did a good job on my 100" screen and Optoma HD72 projector. Then I bought a Toshiba HD-D2 HD DVD player (Costco - $250) and found out just how lacking the Sony is at up-converting. The Toshiba unit up-converts great and plays HD DVD's to boot. So, I completely understand why your display may do a better job than the 75H.
post #2110 of 2201
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Originally Posted by sivartk View Post

I thought that my 75H did a good job on my 100" screen and Optoma HD72 projector. Then I bought a Toshiba HD-D2 HD DVD player (Costco - $250) and found out just how lacking the Sony is at up-converting. The Toshiba unit up-converts great and plays HD DVD's to boot. So, I completely understand why your display may do a better job than the 75H.

Same here. Bought the Toshiba and there's no comparison. It's night and day. I'm returning the Sony back to Sony (paid $75).
post #2111 of 2201
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Originally Posted by koolmoj View Post

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Not so much, after playing around with it for a while I get the best results with setting the player to 480p and let the display do the work. When I set the Sony 75H to 720p I got a lot of noise in the picture and lost a lot of detail compared to the old Sony @ 480i component.
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Same here. Got the best picture at 480p but my TV skewed the picture to the right for some reason.
post #2112 of 2201
Count me among the believers as well. I just retired my NS-75h to the bedroom and now have the A2 feeding my Sharp DT-500 projector. The upscaler on this machine 'kills' the Sony and that's saying a lot, the Sony is a great machine and I've boasted of its capabilities for over a year now.

Apocalypto last night looked so good and that was just a standard DVD, Serenity in HD is simply stunning. The Toshiba is a marvel to use.
post #2113 of 2201
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Originally Posted by Itsdon View Post

Count me among the believers as well. I just retired my NS-75h to the bedroom and now have the A2 feeding my Sharp DT-500 projector. The upscaler on this machine 'kills' the Sony and that's saying a lot, the Sony is a great machine and I've boasted of its capabilities for over a year now.

Apocalypto last night looked so good and that was just a standard DVD, Serenity in HD is simply stunning. The Toshiba is a marvel to use.

It (HD-A2) would be even better if it had the stop/resume capability found on just about every standard DVD player ever made.
post #2114 of 2201
Hey everyone, just got my first HDTV and upconvert dvd player. Got the Sony Upconvert to go along with the Sony 40 inch XBR2.

I have been noticing on the picture quality, especially in dark scenes, that it seems almost like the contrast ratio is very low. Almost like things have a very slight green tint to the picture.

I know upconvert players cannot display perfect HD quality images, but I was wondering if this is normal.

Anyone else out there with a similar set up? Is there a DVD player that might be better? Would going with a blu ray dvd player get me a better picture quality? Or a ps3?

Thanks for the help.
post #2115 of 2201
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Originally Posted by Tesno View Post

Hey everyone, just got my first HDTV and upconvert dvd player. Got the Sony Upconvert to go along with the Sony 40 inch XBR2.

I have been noticing on the picture quality, especially in dark scenes, that it seems almost like the contrast ratio is very low. Almost like things have a very slight green tint to the picture.

I know upconvert players cannot display perfect HD quality images, but I was wondering if this is normal.

Anyone else out there with a similar set up? Is there a DVD player that might be better? Would going with a blu ray dvd player get me a better picture quality? Or a ps3?

Thanks for the help.

Have you calibrated your display? That is not normal. Yes, of course Blu-ray is better than DVD. Not all Blu-ray players offer better DVD performance than the DVP-NS75H. The Samsung BD-P1200 is one that is better in my opinion.

Chris
post #2116 of 2201
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Originally Posted by powerknowledge View Post

Thanks, might do that. I posted here because a) some other folks (a while back in the thread) briefly mentioned they had paired this player with the same TV I have, and b) if I go to the page for my TV, I'll get 3 pages of people telling me to get an Oppo instead.

Looking at the specs for your set, this seems like a more "apples to apples" comparison on the video processing side of things: the whole 720p vs. 1080p difference notwithstanding, my set and yours have the same DRC, scaling engine, etc.

So a question for you, if you don't mind: had you ever tried running a 480i DVD signal into your set and applied Cinemotion and DRC to it -- and if so, how did/does THAT compare to the NC85's upscaled image? It's that exact A/B comparison that I'm really interested in, if you'd be so kind.

Thanks!!!

When I first got the NC85, I was waiting on my HDMI cable from monoprice and hooked it up with component cables. Fed it both 480i/p. I did play with the controls, but I honestly don't remember if I touched Cinemotion and DRC or not. The PQ did significantly improve with the upscale thru HDMI.

One other test that I did do that might help was hook up the PS2 to the side composite inputs. Running a DVD thru it looked very grainy. With composite, I beleave that Cinemotion and DRC are on by default.

I'm gonna have the entertainment center pulled out on 6/6/07 for my VIP622 from E* installation and will try to remember to do a better test for you.

Rob
post #2117 of 2201
I bought a NS75H yesterday (I took a JVC & a Samsung back in the last 3 days)

This DVD player kicked the JVC & Samsung's arse. I couldn't be happier with the picture even though I have an old school HDTV with component only. I have no jaggies, the pixelation is almost obsolete in super dark scenes even. I'm glad I found the reviews for this DVD player. I was starting to think every DVD player was junk.

I still have to play with it a little to just see all the options, but all in all I'm happy with my purchase.

I bought mine from Sears...they pricematched Circuit City's 99 bucks, than gave me the 10% difference.

I got it with tax & a two year warrant out the door for 119.40! I'm psyched

Thanks!
post #2118 of 2201
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Originally Posted by girdnerg View Post

When I first got the NC85, I was waiting on my HDMI cable from monoprice and hooked it up with component cables. Fed it both 480i/p. I did play with the controls, but I honestly don't remember if I touched Cinemotion and DRC or not. The PQ did significantly improve with the upscale thru HDMI.

One other test that I did do that might help was hook up the PS2 to the side composite inputs. Running a DVD thru it looked very grainy. With composite, I beleave that Cinemotion and DRC are on by default.

I'm gonna have the entertainment center pulled out on 6/6/07 for my VIP622 from E* installation and will try to remember to do a better test for you.

Rob

Thanks, Rob. You're my hero if you can find the time to do that; if not, your notes on the "HDMI bump" alone are helpful.

P.S.: I believe that Cinemotion and DRC are only able to be activated with a 480i signal, whether that signal is over component or s-vid (I'm not sure if a 480p signal is passable over composite, and in any case it'd certainly be a lot grainer than component or s-vid given the nature of that kind of connection). It also works with 480i cable signals. But in all cases, I think you have to consciously activate both Cinemotion and DRC on a per-input basis (maybe not with Cinemotion, though; that might be defaulted at "auto").
post #2119 of 2201
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Originally Posted by Tesno View Post

Hey everyone, just got my first HDTV and upconvert dvd player. Got the Sony Upconvert to go along with the Sony 40 inch XBR2.

I have been noticing on the picture quality, especially in dark scenes, that it seems almost like the contrast ratio is very low. Almost like things have a very slight green tint to the picture.

I know upconvert players cannot display perfect HD quality images, but I was wondering if this is normal.

Anyone else out there with a similar set up? Is there a DVD player that might be better? Would going with a blu ray dvd player get me a better picture quality? Or a ps3?

Thanks for the help.

Try setting the Sony to Cinema 1 or Cinema 2 in the video settings. And adjust for the green push on the TV input that's connected to the Sony. Your Sony should remember separate video settings for each input.
post #2120 of 2201
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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard View Post

Have you calibrated your display? That is not normal. Yes, of course Blu-ray is better than DVD. Not all Blu-ray players offer better DVD performance than the DVP-NS75H. The Samsung BD-P1200 is one that is better in my opinion.

Chris

nope...how do i do this?
post #2121 of 2201
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Originally Posted by Tesno View Post

nope...how do i do this?

Having a professional ISF calibration is best but most of us don't do that. There are two calibration DVD's that get a lot of discussion online, Avia and DVE. I use DVE and although it is a little cumbersome to use, it will provide step by step instructions to adjust your display. Without an adjustment of this kind, your display is most likely the cause of your issues.

Chris
post #2122 of 2201
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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard View Post

Having a professional ISF calibration is best but most of us don't do that. There are two calibration DVD's that get a lot of discussion online, Avia and DVE. I use DVE and although it is a little cumbersome to use, it will provide step by step instructions to adjust your display. Without an adjustment of this kind, your display is most likely the cause of your issues.

Chris

If you're new to the calibration game (and don't want to wait to have avia or dve shipped), you could start with the THX Optimizer available on some discs (Star Wars, Indy Jones, etc.). It's not as comprehensive as Avia or DVE, but it will get your contrast, brightness, color and hue in more decent shape than otherwise.

To do this properly regardless of the disc you use, you should a) set all DVD player settings to their default position (including picture mode: turn off 'cinema I or II' or whatever you have it set on, and instead set it at whatever "normal" is), and b)do likewise for you display (no "vivid" mode setting, and for a Sony set it to "custom").

Depending on how long you've lived with uncalibrated displays, the image might look too dark, not colorful enough, etc. Give your eyes a day or two to adjust; you'll actually be seeing a truer, better image. And if you're still not happy, you're of course free to adjust.

Hope this helps!
post #2123 of 2201
Do you guys use the BNR and MNR? does it make a big difference in the picture?
post #2124 of 2201
should i have my player set on 1080i or 720p for the xbr? Also...should i have it set on YCbCr or RGB?

Thanks for the help
post #2125 of 2201
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Originally Posted by Tesno View Post

nope...how do i do this?

See the threads in this forum: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=139. Here is a summary of calibration techniques: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post6368677.

O332H -- I leave both of those (BNR & MNR) turned off (disabled). They make the image worse, IMHO.

Tesno -- It depends on which XBR2 you have. Try ecah one and seee which combination looks better. Generally the YCbCr is the better choice, and using the resolution which matches your display is also the best (see your XBR manual).
post #2126 of 2201
well my tv is 1080p. 1080i would be the closest right? Would it have been better to get a dvd player that can upconvert to 1080p? I had been looking at the new pioneer--it was the same price but i heard more good things about the sony.
post #2127 of 2201
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Originally Posted by Tesno View Post

should i have my player set on 1080i or 720p for the xbr? Also...should i have it set on YCbCr or RGB?

Thanks for the help

I got the best results setting the player to 480p and color mode to YCbCr (I have a 720p Samsung DLP, which apperently has a better scaler than the Sony through my testing). I noticed a lot more noise in the picture with the color mode set to RGB. Is there any more educated people on the subject that can explain the difference between RGB & YCbCr?

Aren't DVDs (mpeg) encoded as YCbCr as their color space?
post #2128 of 2201
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Originally Posted by powerknowledge View Post

Thanks, Rob. You're my hero if you can find the time to do that; if not, your notes on the "HDMI bump" alone are helpful.

P.S.: I believe that Cinemotion and DRC are only able to be activated with a 480i signal, whether that signal is over component or s-vid (I'm not sure if a 480p signal is passable over composite, and in any case it'd certainly be a lot grainer than component or s-vid given the nature of that kind of connection). It also works with 480i cable signals. But in all cases, I think you have to consciously activate both Cinemotion and DRC on a per-input basis (maybe not with Cinemotion, though; that might be defaulted at "auto").

Well, I got to play with it a little. Running the DVD player @ 480i to the TV via composite and s-video both looked too grainy for me no matter how I played with the settings. Oddly enough the the straight composite looked better than s-video.

Component @ 480i very similar to composite. @ 480p it improved considerably. Very hard to tell a difference from HDMI @ any resolution.

HDMI was, IMO, the best. Even tho my TV is 720p native, 1080i over HDMI looks the best.

My conclusion is that the Sony KDF-50E2000 does just as good a job at scaling the image as the NC85, but the NC85 deinterlaces better. The TV did not handle 480i signals that well. The PQ was very soft as the edges were not well defined. 480p and up was handled much better. Sometimes I could only tell a very subtle difference...like the foreground would be sharp on all resolutions, but I could tell a difference on the clarity of the background in the scene.

Hope that helps,
Rob
post #2129 of 2201
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Originally Posted by girdnerg View Post

Well, I got to play with it a little. Running the DVD player @ 480i to the TV via composite and s-video both looked too grainy for me no matter how I played with the settings. Oddly enough the the straight composite looked better than s-video.

Component @ 480i very similar to composite. @ 480p it improved considerably. Very hard to tell a difference from HDMI @ any resolution.

HDMI was, IMO, the best. Even tho my TV is 720p native, 1080i over HDMI looks the best.

My conclusion is that the Sony KDF-50E2000 does just as good a job at scaling the image as the NC85, but the NC85 deinterlaces better. The TV did not handle 480i signals that well. The PQ was very soft as the edges were not well defined. 480p and up was handled much better. Sometimes I could only tell a very subtle difference...like the foreground would be sharp on all resolutions, but I could tell a difference on the clarity of the background in the scene.

Hope that helps,
Rob

That helps immensely. I just may pick up an NC85 this weekend and give it a test run! Thanks, thanks, and thanks again.
post #2130 of 2201
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Originally Posted by powerknowledge View Post

If you're new to the calibration game (and don't want to wait to have avia or dve shipped), you could start with the THX Optimizer available on some discs (Star Wars, Indy Jones, etc.). It's not as comprehensive as Avia or DVE, but it will get your contrast, brightness, color and hue in more decent shape than otherwise.

To do this properly regardless of the disc you use, you should a) set all DVD player settings to their default position (including picture mode: turn off 'cinema I or II' or whatever you have it set on, and instead set it at whatever "normal" is), and b)do likewise for you display (no "vivid" mode setting, and for a Sony set it to "custom").

Depending on how long you've lived with uncalibrated displays, the image might look too dark, not colorful enough, etc. Give your eyes a day or two to adjust; you'll actually be seeing a truer, better image. And if you're still not happy, you're of course free to adjust.

Hope this helps!

I always forget about the THX Optimizer, that is probably a good idea and less expensive. I have never used it.

Chris
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