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BenQ W10000: 1080p DLP

post #1 of 95
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Seen on areadvd.de:

BenQ will present at the CeBIT fair its new flagship, the W10000.

Contrast: 15,000:1
Brightness: 1,200 lumens
Availability: fourth quarter '06
Price: 10,000
post #2 of 95
Specs are looking good on these. If someone were to add an aggressive dynamic iris to DLP we would have a new level of performance.
post #3 of 95
Alan, I agree. I would much rather see a dynamic iris than an adjustable iris which sacrifices brightness for contrast. If the BenQ does not have a DI, then the 15,000:1 contrast spec is probably with an iris setting that provides little output.
post #4 of 95
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Originally Posted by Grubert View Post

Seen on areadvd.de:

BenQ will present at the CeBIT fair its new flagship, the W10000.

Contrast: 15,000:1
Brightness: 1,200 lumens
Availability: fourth quarter '06
Price: 10,000


Just hope it's not going to turn into another fiasco like 8710 or 8720. BenQ's record of non-delivering has done some massive damage to its credibility. This will be a really good opportunity to put things to right.
post #5 of 95
Sigh.

Quote:


Price: 10,000

= $12,000 US for a BenQ.

Ruby still looking the better value option.

I am waiting to see what price Marantz will price their 1080P at as a current S3 owner to see what I should do.

My dream 3 Chip 1080P DLP is looking like it will be quite expensive come end of 2006.
post #6 of 95
IF (and that's a BIG if) the lumens are anywhere near close to 1,200 (I'll settle with 800) and the true panel CR is close to 10k:1, then we have a winner.
If not, I'll wait for the magic 1,000 lumen - 10k:1 REAL panel CR for $5k or less...
It should be here by 2008...
post #7 of 95
Better Value, maybe, keep in mind that the Ruby's MSRP is $10,000.

I would love to see one of these one chip DLPs. Im hoping for a dynamic iris as well, and also a HQV processor like the Yamaha 1300 would be nice.

That would tie it all up nicely.
post #8 of 95
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Originally Posted by Spizz View Post

= $12,000 US for a BenQ.

Ruby still looking the better value option.

Stuff is usually a bit more expensive in Europe thanks to VAT and so forth, so it's still quite reasonable to expect an MSRP of US$10000.
post #9 of 95
And I don't agree
IMO the price for it is more than that really costs
post #10 of 95
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Carled View Post

Stuff is usually a bit more expensive in Europe thanks to VAT and so forth, so it's still quite reasonable to expect an MSRP of US$10000.

That's right.
post #11 of 95
To hit those specs I'd think it would have to use some sort of dynamic iris. With a lamp that can put out 1200 lumens I don't see how it could get a 15000:1 CR otherwise. Unless its 15000:1 _OR_ 1200 lumens - I have a feeling that's more likely the case. Also we do not know what the real lumen post D65 calibration. Ruby still looks like it is far ahead in terms of price/performance, plus it is here now.
post #12 of 95
Hey Guys

Just come back home from holidays. Interesting to see this from Benq.

Any Aussies know any info on price/availability here in OZ??

Ben
post #13 of 95
I think this 15000:1 is a numbers game and something from the marketing department. None of the other 1080p 1DLP are specified above 10000:1 and some much less.
I think Benq has
1 few lumen with that number
2 uses an auto iris or lamp modulation

I am not saying any of those two things are a bad thing. I am just saying that I do not believe Benq has a native contrast of 15000:1.
post #14 of 95
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

To hit those specs I'd think it would have to use some sort of dynamic iris. With a lamp that can put out 1200 lumens I don't see how it could get a 15000:1 CR otherwise. Unless its 15000:1 _OR_ 1200 lumens - I have a feeling that's more likely the case. Also we do not know what the real lumen post D65 calibration. Ruby still looks like it is far ahead in terms of price/performance, plus it is here now.

1080 DLP will do very well. Once these things start shipping a new all time hi level of 1080 excittment will hit
post #15 of 95
So, Christmas.....................?

Art
post #16 of 95
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

So, Christmas.....................?

Sony caught TI completely by surprise with the Ruby, and this is the fallout. Most manufacturers aren't ready to ship 1080p products, and those that are had to cobble together something less than optimal (Optoma's H81) just to get to market quickly. Sim2 may release something nice, but I'm not a fan of their 720p DLPs so I'm not getting my hopes up.

LCD manufacturers missed the boat also. This was the perfect opportunity for them to introduce high contrast 1080p LCDs without any competition from DLP.
post #17 of 95
This is all good news TI must get off its fat butttt
post #18 of 95
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Originally Posted by MADDOG View Post

This is all good news TI must got off its fat butttt

Agreed. This is the best thing to happen. After things do start shipping and kick into gear things will be at a all new level of excittment from all sides. We know whats coming from TI but I wonder what is next from LCD. Its been quiet.
post #19 of 95
Any news about infocus releasing a projector with the 1080p dlp chip?
post #20 of 95
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Originally Posted by Scott B View Post

Alan, I agree. I would much rather see a dynamic iris than an adjustable iris which sacrifices brightness for contrast. If the BenQ does not have a DI, then the 15,000:1 contrast spec is probably with an iris setting that provides little output.

I'd rather see a projector that starts out with enough light that an adjustable iris will give great native CR and then DI as icing. From all of this it is obvious that the DI does some great things but given a choice most would choose great native on off.

Art
post #21 of 95
Hi Art

I agree. Thats whats wrong with the Ruby. Its just not bright enough when using the iris auto mode. The upper end suffers but then again if it had more brightness I wounder of the brightness compression would be worse.
The dynamic iris is like a band aid. It indeed helps the low end at the price of damage to the upper end. I wonder with more engineering coupled with further gamma tweaking if its something that can be approved upon or maybe the iris will be dropped over time and fade away in projection history.
I remember the trying the dynamic iris and dynamic gamma on the Panasonic 3 chip. It did not have the crushed white issue the Ruby has but its possible the iris was not being used as aggressive as it is in the Ruby. Man that Panny is one bright machine. Plenty of light to spare
post #22 of 95
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

I'd rather see a projector that starts out with enough light that an adjustable iris will give great native CR and then DI as icing. From all of this it is obvious that the DI does some great things but given a choice most would choose great native on off.

I agree, but one of the problems is that we are limited by the chip/panel CRs quite a bit right now. For DLPs I think an auto iris would be a logical next step as improving the chip CRs to give native (or static) on/off CR above 10k:1 is probably pretty difficult even at lower light outputs.

From a poll here it looks like most people leave the Ruby in auto iris mode. I have my contrast at 70, #43 in the service menu at 140 and I prefer the auto iris for most things. Most of the time if I see white crushing and check I find that it is in the source, although there are cases where it isn't all in the source and the auto iris takes away some bright detail.

--Darin
post #23 of 95
Alan,

"It did not have the crushed white issue the Ruby has but its possible the iris was not being used as aggressive as it is in the Ruby"

Was that at the expense of it not giving a subjective improvement in contrast?

Thanks
post #24 of 95
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Originally Posted by darinp2 View Post

...From a poll here it looks like most people leave the Ruby in auto iris mode. I have my contrast at 70, #43 in the service menu at 140 and I prefer the auto iris for most things. Most of the time if I see white crushing and check I find that it is in the source, although there are cases where it isn't all in the source and the auto iris takes away some bright detail.

--Darin

Darin are you still using 700 for #44?

Also have you tried running at Contrast of 80 but backed down to 70 due to BC? According to Greg lowering from 80 to 70 can reduce the CR quite significantly. I run at 80 and still hardly notice BC. It may certainly be there at times, but if so its not objectionable and I'll trade it for the extra CR and punch any day.
post #25 of 95
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Originally Posted by wohlstad View Post

Just hope it's not going to turn into another fiasco like 8710 or 8720. BenQ's record of non-delivering has done some massive damage to its credibility. This will be a really good opportunity to put things to right.


What exactly do you mean, a fiasco like the 8720? I read from the people who have one on this forum that it's a great projector? I'm I missing something?
post #26 of 95
A year probably.

There was a huge amount of time between announcing the product and delivering to market, which frustrated quite a lot of people who wanted one (and in most cases bought elsewhere when they got fed up waiting).

Gary.
post #27 of 95
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Originally Posted by Gary Lightfoot View Post

A year probably.

There was a huge amount of time between announcing the product and delivering to market, which frustrated quite a lot of people who wanted one (and in most cases bought elsewhere when they got fed up waiting).

Gary.


Ok, it's true I havn't been folowing this forum for a year :-) I'm pretty new here... However the 8720 looks pretty good to me, especially after reading all the possitive feedback on this forum.
post #28 of 95
I am in on the Powerbuy if it comes around. I have actually already PM'd Neil at TVA inquiring about this PJ. Maybe Neil can work with Alan and get a Powerbuy rolling.

Wishful thinking

J-dubb
post #29 of 95
Thread Starter 
Here's a picture:



Looks familiar...
post #30 of 95
No mentioning of HQV though..
Looks like a 8720 casing/lens + the new 1080 chip. Nice.
Any one wants to guess the throw ? hope not too long...
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