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post #31 of 774
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OK, soffit is coming along. Here is a shot of the rear soffit:


You can see on the right the wood that is being used to attach it to the ceiling. Those were easy to run, as I can hit the trusses for support. The ones going the other way on the ceiling required some extra work to get blocking that would support it. No way I was going to rely on sheetrock to hold it up, even double sheets.

There is wood at the back of the bottom. This is to attach the GOM fabric. I will have wood on the front as well, which will also give me something to grip to when I get the crown moulding put up. I will have 1" of acoustic treatments on the bottom of this soffit.

Here is the soffit in the front of the theater by the entry door:


You can see the power and control wires for the smoke detector. We are going to have to relocate that a few feet. Note the front soffit isn't as deep as the sides and rear. The motorized draperies will attach to the rear of the front soffit and so I need it to stop a 13 inches in front of the screen, giving me 6" for the drapes and 7" for the frame of my screen (very thick for a frame, but it houses the motorized masking system).

If you notice the air vent there, we will be using the soffit as a plenum to route the air into the room and this should also help to cut down any noise that may escape from the HVAC unit.

Now you can see the other front corner:


You can see the power romex dangling back there. That will be for powering the motorized drapes and the screen masking system. The screen masking power is on the bottom near the left of the screen, so we will have to run some romex down to there behind the screen wall.
post #32 of 774


Mr. Poindexter, my god you are going to be the envy of all the members here

A very ambitious project indeed. I cannot wait to see the finished room.


Since your project is pretty much "money no object" may I make a suggestion:

If I were you I would add 2 more screen speakers on the front stage for a total of 5, Just in case in the future we will be able to play films with 5 screen channels, just like the SDDS-8 channel or the old 70 MM films with 5 speakers behind the screen for commercial theatres.
post #33 of 774
Mr P. I see the old IRS is but a memory now, since you are totally moving on from there. Unfortunatly, I didn't make it to the meet you had since I had come down with a cold. So, now, I would love to be invited to the grand opening of your theater! Clovis is only 120 miles from me, that's not a bad drive.

So, also, I was wondering how much of the work you are doing on your own? Or are you waiting until getting past a certain point before you start doing your thing? BTW, I assume at least some of this is being written off since it's business related?
post #34 of 774
This gotta be the best economical example of how to build a no holds barred theater I have ever seen.

Take special dealer demo pricing on the equipment PLUS the huge tax write off as a business expense and you get excellence on the cheap! though the total MSRP looks big as detailed above, actual cost would be a fraction..

I'm in the wrong field.......Looks great! I think I know what business I'm getting into after retirement.....

I'd never care if I ever sold anything...I'd just sit in my reference theater and to heck with the customers!

Looks fabulous!
post #35 of 774
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

... PLUS the huge tax write off as a business expense and you get excellence on the cheap!

I was thinking of calling my room a foley room for tax purposes, as its adjacent to my studio space, but that might have been a stretch.

I didn't see it in your list, but are you still putting a bose system in for comparison?
post #36 of 774
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Originally Posted by John Stockton View Post

Since your project is pretty much "money no object" may I make a suggestion:

If I were you I would add 2 more screen speakers on the front stage for a total of 5, Just in case in the future we will be able to play films with 5 screen channels, just like the SDDS-8 channel or the old 70 MM films with 5 speakers behind the screen for commercial theatres.

We'll take an old phrase and reverse it a little:

If it comes, I will build it.

I seriously doubt that we will see SDDS-8 in the home. Movies kind of needed that just for the sheer size of the screen. At 12.5' wide I don't see much need for 5 speakers to get across the room. We have had 6.1 DTS and DD/EX for several years now. How much software is released with that encoded in it?
post #37 of 774
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Originally Posted by SVonhof View Post

So, also, I was wondering how much of the work you are doing on your own? Or are you waiting until getting past a certain point before you start doing your thing? BTW, I assume at least some of this is being written off since it's business related?

I am not doing any of the construction on my own. I carried the sand upstairs, filled most of the stage and seating platform and helped get the lumber upstairs with a forklift I brought over from the nut plant. Aside from that, I have been doing my thing making money and leaving the construction to guys who are faster than me. I am just a foreman now - standing around and watching people work.

I will be doing the low voltage wiring, acoustical treatments, equipment installation, calibration and final tweaking. I know the trim out will take a long time but things are moving along at a pace I can live with right now.

Yes, there is some write off, but you cannot just write things off without turning a profit and the more you write off, the more the pressure is on to turn a profit so Uncle Sam doesn't come by looking for that deduction to be paid back along with interest and penalties.
post #38 of 774
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

This gotta be the best economical example of how to build a no holds barred theater I have ever seen.

Take special dealer demo pricing on the equipment PLUS the huge tax write off as a business expense and you get excellence on the cheap! though the total MSRP looks big as detailed above, actual cost would be a fraction..

I'm in the wrong field.......Looks great! I think I know what business I'm getting into after retirement.....

I'd never care if I ever sold anything...I'd just sit in my reference theater and to heck with the customers!

Looks fabulous!

Well, Jeff it is great on paper, but as I mentioned above you would need to turn a profit or have one hell of a tax penalty coming back to bite your ass off.

While demo pricing sounds great, it does come with some strings attached. I have had to attend training classes, which eats into my very few vacation days. They have sales requirements, often have back stock purchase requirements, etc. I have sold one additional units of nearly every high end piece I have brought in but they are not really easy to move. Sure, everybody want a Kaleidescape but not everybody is ready to plop down that kind of cash so even though it is the best thing since sliced bread it isn't an easy sale. I get absolutely no "demo discount" on the build out of the room, acoustic treatments and such and that is a huge cost as well.

This demo room is breaking me. I had to sell off my Infinity IRS system to get the seed money to move up into the next level and that cash didn't last long. I am betting on the come and while I am confidant, watching the money go out in large sums on boring things is pretty depressing. I just spent $1500 on speaker wire - and it was generic stuff (although it used oxygen free copper). Anybody who knows me knows I don't believe in the branded wire hype, but $1500 is still a lot of cash. I am dreading having to pay nearly $2K for a BOSE system that will do nothing other than show how crappy their systems are, but again I think it will be a wise investment for me. Only time will tell.
post #39 of 774
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I picked out my sconces, but they are a lot pricey - $480 each on the Internet (MSRP $600 each) so I am staring at a potential bill of $2400 for 5 of them.

If anybody knows how I could save some bucks on these it would be appreciated.

http://www.minkagroup.net/productima...d=8744&div=163

post #40 of 774
Man this theater is going to be a large one. how many seat will it have?
Good luck with this great project.

Larryep
post #41 of 774
Larryep:
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I should have stadium seating for 9 with a 150" wide screen when we are finished.

This is from the first post of this thread....
post #42 of 774
Mr.P. I know how you can get your sconces cheaper. Problem is, you are not gonna like it.

Don't buy those expensive ones.

See. Told ya you wouldn't like it!

Sconces are a hard beast to tame. Picking the right ones is very much a personal taste issue and once you found the right ones, you kinda have to either ignore the cost or move on and look for something different.
post #43 of 774
thanks Scott. Sometimes I zoom to the pictures.
post #44 of 774
LOL! I need to figure out how to write off a $200,000 home theater so I can build a similar setup!
post #45 of 774
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Yeah, I understand Scott. I have through about getting the cheapest ones I can find and just living with them for a year or so until I digest this but then again it would be one of the easier items to change over after the fact.

I actually saw some sconces I liked better but they were even more money. I also saw some that I liked almost as well and they were nearly the same price, so unless I find something either much better for the same price or that I like as well for much less it is likely that these will be the ones. Of course, last minute changes in decor could alter everything.

Larry, if I went with theater style seating and lower profile surrounds, I probably could have had seating for 25 people in the room, but really how often am I going to have that many people over for anything other than an open house party? I would rather just have it much more plush and for the open house events I can have people stand in the back row and we can pull in some backjack chairs or sit on the steps, etc.
post #46 of 774
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Originally Posted by Mr.Poindexter View Post

Larry, if I went with theater style seating and lower profile surrounds, I probably could have had seating for 25 people in the room, but really how often am I going to have that many people over for anything other than an open house party? I would rather just have it much more plush and for the open house events I can have people stand in the back row and we can pull in some backjack chairs or sit on the steps, etc.


Makes a lot of sense Mike but if you have teenage children you might be surprised. Also we in the HEMI group are going to start having movie nights so some nice big groups for those. Right now mine overflows about 8 to 10 times a year. Not by itself a reason for more seats perhaps.

Art
post #47 of 774
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Makes a lot of sense Mike but if you have teenage children you might be surprised. Also we in the HEMI group are going to start having movie nights so some nice big groups for those. Right now mine overflows about 8 to 10 times a year. Not by itself a reason for more seats perhaps.

Art

Yeah, and everytime you're worried the floor is going to cave in. (just kidding art ^_^ )
post #48 of 774
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Well, 8-10 more seats would be 8-10 more chairs to pay for. Of course the chairs would be a lot cheaper but given the choice between 9 plush seats that just scream money vs. 20+ seats that scream sardine, I will take the ride in style and just make extra trips.

Soffits about 60% done. Photos later tonight.
post #49 of 774
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Originally Posted by Mr.Poindexter View Post


If anybody knows how I could save some bucks on these it would be appreciated.

http://www.minkagroup.net/productima...d=8744&div=163


You must be joking. You have 600k-700k worth of HW and want to save $$ on these 600$ items ?
post #50 of 774
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Originally Posted by Mr.Poindexter View Post

Well, 8-10 more seats would be 8-10 more chairs to pay for. Of course the chairs would be a lot cheaper but given the choice between 9 plush seats that just scream money vs. 20+ seats that scream sardine, I will take the ride in style and just make extra trips.

Soffits about 60% done. Photos later tonight.

Thats the course we went with, at first we were bent on going with 15 seats on the risers but soon said 9 comfortable chairs, 2 kids can sit in one with ease. It seems we are in the same mindset on alot of things.

By the way, cool sconces. Majestic even
post #51 of 774
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Yes. Funny, huh? I also buy the cheapest thing on the menu when I got to McDonalds or Taco Bell. That gives me more money to spend on the things I like more.
post #52 of 774
Mr. P. gets the hardware bill: "Damn, thats 670,480 fries."
post #53 of 774
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Mr. P. gets the hardware bill: "Damn, thats 670,480 fries."

How about: "Damn, that's THREE Lamborghinis!"
post #54 of 774
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OK, the soffit in the back is pretty much finished:


We just need to cover the screw holes and seams. Then I paint the ceiling and soffit, apply the insulshield, cover with GOM and attach the crown moulding. All of those steps will have to wait a couple of weeks.

The front soffit, while substantially less deep from front to back, doesn't look out of place with the much larger side soffit next to it.


While I am looking forward to getting onto the screen wall, I am a little nervous about having to hang this beast of a screen. The side panels are in these boxes here that were shipped on a pallet. The boxes are just enormous and heavy to boot. For scale, those are 4x8 sheets of plywood behind them.


The top & bottom of the screen ships in another impressive box. While not as heavy, it is an awkward box that had to be brought into the room through the windows that are now covered up. That box is well over 14' long. Total shipping weight for the screen was 460 LBS according to the bill of lading. While I didn't weigh it, my back will believe what was written.
post #55 of 774
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You must be joking. You have 600k-700k worth of HW and want to save $$ on these 600$ items ?

My prediction is the average person will notice the $600 sconce long before they notice all the equipment $$$$. Guess it depends on if/who you are trying to impress.
post #56 of 774
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Originally Posted by chirpie View Post

Yeah, and everytime you're worried the floor is going to cave in. (just kidding art ^_^ )

It's been said that the first statement is your " I'm now telling the truth" the second is the " well maybe since I'm an adult I should have some tact" statement.


I felt a lot better at my last meet with 23 adults in there at once one time and ,trust me, a few of them were very large.

Mike,
I want to thank you for this thread. There are lots of reasons but seeing a world class home theater being narrated by someone like you who has a great eye and ear and will get some of the best, integrated ,is a treat at least for me. I know there are other great theaters out there but usually we all just get to guess a little about the person who owns it, how it was done etc. Additionally as you go we can enjoy the process with you.

Art
post #57 of 774
There really is nothing more that can be said about this build. Simply phenominal.

The only thing I can say is...

...Mr. Poindexter, are you hiring?

I have a distribution center in Corona. Once this build is finished I think I will be stopping into said facility to make sure the guys are still on their toes. You know Clovis is only 4 and a half hours away...hint, hint!
post #58 of 774
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Thanks, Art. I don't have any Joneses on my street, so I am just trying to keep up with the Sonneborns. You have most certainly set the bar quite high on this forum.

I am talking to my projector supplier to see if I can get something a little special for this theater. Screen Research made a 2.35:1 XMask for me - the first one ever (and maybe still the only one) so I am going to see if I can get something extra special there as well. More on that later - they are supposed to call me today.

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Originally Posted by fidalgoisland View Post

My prediction is the average person will notice the $600 sconce long before they notice all the equipment $$$$. Guess it depends on if/who you are trying to impress.

I really want the decor to be reflective of the equipment in there. It completes the package and experience. Gourmet meals cannot be served on paper plates. I still wonder why we don't use our China for Chinese food, though...
post #59 of 774
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Gourmet meals cannot be served on paper plates. I still wonder why we don't use our China for Chinese food, though...

Deep Thoughts...
post #60 of 774
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Well, no luck on the projector. I was going to attempt to get one of the Mercury 5000 HDI models, the ones being shipped to India. The theater chain over there co-funded the technology for the new FTP chipset, as far as I can understand, and so they own the IP that went into it.

So, I am officially going with the Mercury 5000HD.
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