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post #1201 of 1311
Its not worth my time. I actually bought a Gramma just because I thought the bathroom rug I was using looked stupid. And I am too lazy and busy to make something like it. I figured if it gives me any sound improvement that would be a bonus. It didnt. But it looks a lot better than the bathroom rug.
If people want to buy it, let them. There are worse things to spend ones money on. If they think it makes their sub sound like its worth twice as much then joy, joy to them.
I try to help people spend their money wisely here but if they insist on buying something that I think is a waste of money I could care less. I see it all the time and its far more than the cost of a Subdude.
post #1202 of 1311
Go ahead and speak up. If someone disagrees with you, let them, it doesn't mean you have to argue with them until the bitter end. It doesn't take much effort to mention that something may not be what it claims and that no tangible evidence has ever been brought forth to support it. How do you expect to keep the charlatans at bay? If someone claims that thousand dollar speaker wire, boutique amplifiers, or sonically beneficial gemstones can improve the sound, they should be ready to back up those claims especially given how preposterous they are.
post #1203 of 1311
I agree. But there are always people more qualified than me to speak up. Dont get me wrong I wouldnt sit by and let a guy spend $100 on an HDMI cable without saying something. But there are nearly always other people that will say something.
post #1204 of 1311
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

Go ahead and speak up. If someone disagrees with you, let them, it doesn't mean you have to argue with them until the bitter end. It doesn't take much effort to mention that something may not be what it claims and that no tangible evidence has ever been brought forth to support it. How do you expect to keep the charlatans at bay? If someone claims that thousand dollar speaker wire, boutique amplifiers, or sonically beneficial gemstones can improve the sound, they should be ready to back up those claims especially given how preposterous they are.

^^^ +1
post #1205 of 1311
This is the problem, people ignorantly make blanket statements like the above few posts, because all they're going on is their own individual experiences and they negate all other applications and possibilities because they clearly haven't been exposed to an environment where the platform makes a real difference, and they ignore other posters who have had a different experience due to being in a different environment. Then they preach about how it's all snakeoil and make absurd comparisons to exotic speaker cable because they lack the mental capacity to acknowledge anything other than their own experience. Pathetic.
post #1206 of 1311
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Originally Posted by gts007 View Post

This is the problem, people ignorantly make blanket statements like the above few posts, because all they're going on is their own individual experiences and they negate all other applications and possibilities and they ignore other posters who have had a difference experience because they are in a different environment. Then they preach their BS about how it's all snakeoil and make absurd comparisons to exotic speaker cable because they lack the mental capacity to acknowledge anything other than their own experience. Pathetic.

lol.
post #1207 of 1311
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Originally Posted by its phillip View Post

lol.
+1 Its well known that insults are the defense of the ignorant.
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Originally Posted by its phillip View Post

lol.

rolleyes.gif are you insinuating that I'm guilty of that? If you'd actually read the thread then you'd know that I'm not..
post #1209 of 1311
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

+1 Its well known that insults are the defense of the ignorant.

So is lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking.
Edited by gts007 - 9/26/13 at 12:04pm
post #1210 of 1311
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because they lack the mental capacity to acknowledge anything other than their own experience. Pathetic.

It only takes a simple mind to figure this one out.. sound pressure waves.
post #1211 of 1311
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

It only takes a simple mind to figure this one out..

Right. So why haven't you?
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

+1 Its well known that insults are the defense of the ignorant.

You clearly don't see the irony in this post..
post #1213 of 1311
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Originally Posted by gts007 View Post

Right. So why haven't you?

biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif It’s going to take me a good long while to figure this Subdud smile.gif thing out. Amazing what foam and a sheet of ply can do to ones perception of bass considering the sub itself is stationary if braced and built properly.
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif It’s going to take me a good long while to figure this Subdud smile.gif thing out. Amazing what foam and a sheet of ply can do to ones perception of bass considering the sub itself is stationary if braced and built properly.

Like I said, the difference it makes in my environment is not subjective and its irresponsible to claim it makes no difference if you haven't experienced it in anything other than an environment that supports your blanket claim. I've had it in 2 environments, one where it did nothing, and one where it does help, due to the nature of the floors. Come to my place and bring your measuring gear so you can see for yourself.
Edited by gts007 - 9/26/13 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by gts007 View Post

the difference it makes in my environment is not subjective

Aren't opinions subjective by nature?
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Originally Posted by holt7153 View Post

Aren't opinions subjective by nature?

you must not have read the 2nd half of that post.
Edited by gts007 - 9/26/13 at 12:14pm
post #1217 of 1311
Your floor/structure is going to vibrate, regardless of isolation (if it's not on a concrete slab). Coupled or decoupled, the sound isn't likely to change when measured.
post #1218 of 1311
It did change. Not the sound, but the transmission. It prevents my compliant wood floors from radiating the LF. The audible LF from other parts of the house has been reduced and it is very obvious that the platform is working in my environment. If this wasn't the case, I would have stopped using it by now. Of course, YMMV depending on your environment.
Edited by gts007 - 9/26/13 at 2:29pm
post #1219 of 1311
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It did change; it prevents my compliant wood floors from radiating the LF. The audible LF from other parts of the house has been reduced and it is very obvious that the platform is working in my environment. If this wasn't the case, I would have stopped using it by now. Of course, YMMV depending on your environment.

Does it work better in a single or two story?
post #1220 of 1311
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Does it work better in a single or two story?

instead of posting snide garbage, come to my place with your measuring gear. you won't.
Edited by gts007 - 9/26/13 at 2:26pm
post #1221 of 1311
Sheez! Now I'm a troll! No I don’t think that’s necessary, your right, I wont.. you enjoy your SD. smile.gif
post #1222 of 1311
move on please
post #1223 of 1311
Sound waves cause your house to vibrate, not mechanical vibration transfered through coupling. Isolation will not reduce the effect of vibration due to high SPL at the resonant frequencies of your building materials in the house. It simply eliminates (or reduces) the possibility of vibration being transferred back into the subwoofer cabinet from your wooden flooring. If it has improved your experience, there is no reason not to use it. I've isolated my sub with DIY methods and am content. Any difference is unlikely to be measurable, but it cost me $10 to put together... and living in a top floor apartment, I'd rather be paranoid than obnoxious.
post #1224 of 1311
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

I don’t think that’s necessary, your right, I wont..
Neither will the others who are polluting this thread with anti-Subdude half-truths that they pass off as gospel. It's easier to sit behind a computer making blanket statements than it is to go out and learn something.
post #1225 of 1311
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Originally Posted by gts007 View Post

Neither will the others who are polluting this thread with anti-Subdude half-truths that they pass off as gospel. It's easier to sit behind a computer making blanket statements than it is to go out and learn something.

Ok no more sny jokes! sorry about that. Can you please tell me what you feel the SD is doing for you and the why of it?
post #1226 of 1311
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

[quote name="gts007" url="/t/644330/auralex-subdude-owners-thread/1200#post_23775146"]Neither will the others who are polluting this thread with anti-Subdude half-truths that they pass off as gospel. It's easier to sit behind a computer making blanket statements than it is to go out and learn something.[/quote]Ok no more sny jokes! sorry about that. Can you please tell me what you feel the SD is doing for you and the why of it?

Isn't it possible that his sub is NOT the inert transmissionless cabinet that is postulated?

I suspect that he is experiencing a reduction in vibrations through his house, but I'm certain that reduction is not violating the laws of physics. Perhaps the discussion should revolve around figuring out why he's experiencing an improvement?

"There is no possible alternative explanation" is far from scientific, and reeks like the current climate change debate.

And for those engineers in the thread, if something rattles without the subdude, then stops rattling with the subdude, I am quite certain there is an explanation for that which does not require a doctorate in quantum physics to understand, nor measurements beyond the auricular canal to confirm the change. And I don't think that observation is analogous to the thousand dollar cable argument. If someone says, "that plate just stop rattling", I tend to believe that that is not a placebo effect far more than I do someone who claims to have experienced more "air" after changing to exotic cables.

The question in my mind is, what is the mechanism for the improvement?

I cannot say I have any idea, but I am very familiar with the adage, "true/true, but unrelated", and I suspect there is an unrelated factor at work here.

Just my 2 cents.





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post #1227 of 1311
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Ok no more sny jokes! sorry about that. Can you please tell me what you feel the SD is
doing for you and the why of it?
I don't feel like explaining it for the thousandth time in this thread, so if you'd like the answer, go back and read the last few pages.
BTW, the whole ''if you need a subdude to tame LF radiation, then your sub is terribly constructed'' argument is worthless propaganda and has no basis in reality. Yeah, Bill, because HSU research makes such shoddy subwoofers rolleyes.gif Instead of making laughable and fictional arguments ike that, just admit that there are specific environments where the floor will act as a radiator, no matter how well constructed your subwoofer is. That is reality; don't debate it.
post #1228 of 1311
Why does a foam pad stop a floating wood floor from vibrating?

My thoughts:

1. The sub itself is transmitting some vibration into the floor and causing it to vibrate.

2. I don't really have a number two.... but will look outside the box .....the extra height changes how the sound wave interacts with the floor. If this is the case then raising up the sub should do the same thing.

This whole discussion brings up questions on all the sand filling that goes on under the uber theater build threads. Is the sand to dampen the vibration in the wood platforms?
post #1229 of 1311
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Originally Posted by gts007 View Post

I don't feel like explaining it for the thousandth time in this thread, so if you'd like the answer, go back and read the last few pages.
BTW, the whole ''if you need a subdude to tame LF radiation, then your sub is terribly constructed'' argument is worthless propaganda and has no basis in reality. Yeah, Bill, because HSU research makes such shoddy subwoofers rolleyes.gif Instead of making laughable and fictional arguments ike that, just admit that there are specific environments where the floor will act as a radiator, no matter how well constructed your subwoofer is. That is reality; don't debate it.

I don't think bill would disagree that the floor can act as a radiator. Distinction is that testing demonstrates the floor radiates to the acoustic output of the sub, not because the sub's box is exciting the floor. The guy designs subs professionally, so I'm not uncomfortable listening to his views.
post #1230 of 1311
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Originally Posted by JHAz View Post

[quote name="gts007" url="/t/644330/auralex-subdude-owners-thread/1200#post_23777835"]I don't feel like explaining it for the thousandth time in this thread, so if you'd like the answer, go back and read the last few pages.BTW, the whole ''if you need a subdude to tame LF radiation, then your sub is terribly constructed'' argument is worthless propaganda and has no basis in reality. Yeah, Bill, because HSU research makes such shoddy subwoofers :rolleyes: Instead of making laughable and fictional arguments ike that, just admit that there are specific environments where the floor will act as a radiator, no matter how well constructed your subwoofer is. That is reality; don't debate it.[/quote]I don't think bill would disagree that the floor can act as a radiator. Distinction is that testing demonstrates the floor radiates to the acoustic output of the sub, not because the sub's box is exciting the floor. The guy designs subs professionally, so I'm not uncomfortable listening to his views.

I don't dispute Bill's assertion at all. But I also think it's kind of preposterous to tell someone that it's placebo effect that has led him to believe something has stopped rattling, when in fact it still rattling.

So only three possibilities here:

1) Its all placebo - the rattling is still there, but his brain has convinced him that it's gone

2) The rattle is gone

3) He is a shill for Auralex and is making all this up.

Being the gullible soul that I am, I have come to the conclusion that its number 2. The question is, given Bill and Arnyk's very educated input, what is the cause?

If its 2 or 3, well..... I've just jumped down the rabbit hole.



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