Official Vizio P50HD Thread ( part 2): NO PRICING: Technical Issues ONLY! - Page 51

My current G20 set has none of the problems you mentioned. The only complaints I can come up with are the vertical overscan and service menu settings not sticking. Neither of those are deal breakers for me. I'm planning to pick up a second one for the bedroom.

I cannot hear any buzzing unless my set is muted and I am standing next to it. I have no dead pixels. Regarding banding - I think the banding you refer to is also known as clay face or posterization (sp?). If so - I believe that is an issue that has a lot to do with the quality of your source material. I get no banding with good sources, but on some of my SD DTV channels I do get some significant banding. For the most part I love the PQ of my Vizio. I don't even have HD. The PQ of DVDs on my Oppo is breathtaking and I am also in general quite happy with the quality of my DTV SD. I got my set back in October.

So - no all sets do not have these issues, aside from maybe the banding issue you mention which I think is at least somewhat dependant on your source material.

GWAVE,
I think I mislead you on the HDMI response. What I meant to say was that I could use the audio inputs without a video cable connected, when I first bought the set.
I was using them as a baby monitor before I hooked up the camera, so in my case I could listen to audio without having any video source. Which you indicated didn't work for you.

Now I'm using HDMI for video, but I haven't tried using analog audio inputs in conjunction with HDMI video so I can't help ya there. What I meant to say was that I couldn't reproduce your problem since I was HDMI only to the set now.

If your STB is set to output audio over HDMI, then you will not get anything on your RCA audio inputs. But if you can turn off audio over HDMI on your STB, then they might work.
Not really sure why you would connect via HDMI then want to use analog audio, but that's one way to see if it would work.

Dtrell is 100% accurate when he says a DVI to HDMI adapter should allow you to use RCA audio since that connector should force the TV to open the analog audio path.

Has anyone Vizio owners purchased BlueRay or HD-DVD player and played it on VIZIO?

I have not yet. Google the Samsung BF-1000 and you can get reviews on this and the Toshiba HD-A1. Most reviewers say to wait for about a year to get one of them.

I have a question. When 1080P becomes more popular, is there a way to "upgrade" the Vizio to that resolution, or do we need to go buy another high cost HD TV?

I have the HD DVD player from Toshiba, the HD A1. I looks fantastic on the Vizio. HD discs are fantastic and the player does a great job upconverting SD discs. One of the best CE products I've purchased. Have not seen the BlueRay yet so I can't comment. But there's tons of info over in the BlueRay forum.

sarcevic, are you using 720p output or 1080i. how is the overscan using 1080i?? is the overscan less using 720p? are you using component or hdmi.

If you have a HD A1, you want to use 1080i for the HD movies, not 720p. It's been well documented that using a 720p output looks worse than 1080i, no matter what the native HD resolution of the TV is.

and its been well documented what the vizio does to 1080i sources....it stretcheds them vertically and the heads look stretched...and i think thats ********. its one of the main reasons this thing is going for the panny when i can get it...and thats why i asked him if the pic is the same using 720p output vs, 1080i.

You are correct sir. Running through 1080i as 720p is not nearly as good. I haven't really noticed much of any overscan problem. I do notice it from my satellite box but not from the HD A1. Not sure why that is. Perhaps the reason I notice it more from DBS is because of the station ID icons on the bottom of the screen and the dvd player obviously doesn't have this as a point of reference. But from reading this board, looks like everyone's overscan at 1080 varies. I guess I'm lucky as my set has no buzzing, fan noise or overscan issues that I'm aware of. On a side note, I did stop at BB today to look at Blueray HD. The Samsung player was hooked up to a Samsung plasma playing Hitch via HDMI at 1080i. The picture was horrible. Looked like the set/player may not have been set up correctly. Not sure. But I'd be damned if I'd drop that kind of money for Blueray. Long live HD DVD.

sarcevic, the only way you can really tell is to get a test disc like sound and vision, or DVE or AVIA and put an overscan pattern out using 1080i output, then youll see how much overscan vertically that you really have...along with horizontally.

I have this set up also. Incredible picure

and are you using 720p or 1080i output? component or HDMI?

I have the Avia disc and will try this out as soon as I get a few minutes, hopefully this weekend. BTW, if anyone is interested, I'm running the HD A1 via HDMI into a Denon 3806 output HDMI into the Vizio.

yeah I don't think my problem is over scan because I see the slight shadows on all sources that have a light gray or light blue screen. It seems to be in same spot too. I suspect its somekind of burn in. I mean its so minor that you have to be really looking for it. Yet now that I know it exists I'm always looking and noticing it. sigh. I'll wait a bit to see if it goes away or if I can live with it until they have a newer build at Costco to replace it .

1080i out (per manual)
HDMI
5.1 analog out to reciver
adjusted with avia
1.2 firmware

And it really don't matter, as there is nothing you can do about it. Because the HD A1 puts out a worse picture on 720p with HD DVDs than it does on 1080i, no matter what TV you have, 1080i IS the recommended setting for the HD A1 player. If you hate the Vizio so much, go and get something else, go and buy your Panasonic you want. All the whining in the world is not going to change the way the Vizio works for you....

Bingo. Give that man a cee-gar.

Well here is another thing to watch out for. Now the incredible Vizio of mine not only buzzes during bright scenes it also cuts out. The screen goes blank when things get primarily white on the screen. Sometimes it stays blank long enough to display the no input signal. At first I thought well maybe its the channel. Then ehh maybe its the box. But its not. Its the TV.

Anyone else with this issue? If not just wait a bit longer.

This TV SUCKS! I'm ditching mine for the 47" Westy LCD, plasma is definitely not the HYPE!!! I had a 26" Dell lcd that blew this TV away with HD, plasma has got to be the most over rated CE product ever, I also had a 57" Sony rear-projection CRT that had a hands down better HD picture than this. In a word to describe the Vizio, ***SOFT***

Wow.......... Take a deep breath my friend.

If you read back in the old posts, I saw something about when the contrast is set above 60 this happens due to overload. Try lowering your contrast if it is indeed high. I haven't had this problem and my contrast is around 35.

It is all about settings my friend. With a good HD source (like HD satellite), once you get the right settings this picture is beautiful and that is from my comparing to my old Sony XBR CRT. The vivid setting it comes set on is awful. But use the user mode and tweak the settings to your desire (with the dynamic contrast off) and the picture is gorgeous and smooth.

Here are my settings, taken from an ISF calibrator's recomendations:

Brightness: 48
Contrast: 25
Saturation: 42
Hue: 0
Sharpness: 0

Advanced: turn all of them off

Also I have tried multiple combinations and adjustment for the above settings.

I played in the service menu too and just cannot get this picture to "pop", if you guys can see something that I can't, CHEERS! Time for me to move on to LCD, getting rid of image retention and burn-in worries is well worth the transition alone. Not to mention actually having a crisp image.

Audiopholics reviewed the Wetsy 1080p and said that the results were "absolutely stunning" "gives the window-effect" "like looking through glass" "almost like being there," "has a 3-D effect" there is no way that any of us can describe our Vizios using those terms mentioned above, no matter how much calibration.

To me these quotes are so funny b/c if you look on the main forum page for plasma/LCD, every other thread is "Plasma is better" or "LCD is better"...the way I look at it, it is all in the eye of the beholder...if you like LCD better, then you should DEFINITELY own an LCD...I'd say that's pretty simple to understand...

Also, if the 47" Westy were sold at the Big-C, I'd definitely be curious to check it out...then again - it is listed at 3K so for some of us that is a bit steep...btw, you do realize LCD has its own issues too right?

My contrast is at 24....brightness at 39. So thats nowhere near a load it shouldnt be able to handle.

I've calibrated my Visio every few months since break-in after I bought it last August. Using Avia in an Oppo attached to HDMI, my setttings are:

Brightness=44
Contrast=61
Saturation=48
Hue=0
Sharpness=5
All enhancements turned off.

I want as much dynamic range as possible without crushing blacks or whites. I haven't got any buzz or blanking in almost a year of use. I used these settings as a starting point with my Sony DVR HDD500, on HDMI-2, and ended up knocking Contrast down to 58 and brightness up to 46. I've got a Sony DVD player attached to Component-1 and don't have as much range there, but I can't remember the numbers exactly. With contrast at 25, my picture looks like mud.

It's amazing to me how some people have their contrast set to 58 and others to 26...

I think that speaks to the inconsistency of these sets, or maybe our eyes

Ditto on the toshiba as a sd dvd player. Sd dvds looks very near HD. Even at 480p it looks like hd.. Few problems though. Even with setting player to 16:9 alot of dvds display full screen only and some wont get out of 4:3 mode. Dont know if its the player or tv or hdmi issue.