Official Vizio P50HD Thread ( part 2): NO PRICING: Technical Issues ONLY! - Page 55

Reposting to possibly get an answer.

I was just watching Discovery HD and the word "pain" came up for about 7-10 seconds on a black screen then disappeared. There was retention until a brighter scene came up to wash it out.

Does this set have retention that bad or is it the fact that I have only had it running for about 20 hours or so???

My Maxent that died had not issues with retention at all, and I did some heavy gaming on my 360 as well.

So anyone have retention problems or is this due to the fact that my set is new out of the box???

Any issues with the Denon 2910 and this display?

Thanks,
Mark

For whatever reason the image retention is much worse at the beginning...I still get some faint retention when my HD-Tivo menu is on for 1-2 minutes but it's gone as soon as another image comes on...

The numbers on-screen stay changed but once you switch inputs/power off the set, the changes no longer take effect image-wise...there is plenty about this earlier in the thread...

How many hours do you have on your set??? This may be an issue since I play Xbox 360 on it, and my other set had no issues with image retention.

Well I finally exchanged mine this past weekend. The verticle patchy lines were too much. The new set seems clean of those lines and other problems. Build 20. Although at first I noticed a little static in the picture on some sources so I'm not sure what thats about. Also sometimes when I go from HD Digital 1 back to HD Analog 1 I get no picture until I cycle the Analog 1 to 2 then back .

There are peeps on this thread who have a 360 and have no problems with burn-in...they might give you a better idea...I have had the set since last August if that means anything to you...can't say how many hours...

Try a different video card that is capable of displaying the rez you want. I hook up an Apple mini and a macbook pro using the DVI to HDMI cable and it works great.

pjdavep,

I picked up the Vizio in the FX without a problem. I layed it on its side and fit in perfect and the hatch closed fine.

I'm not sure if this is against the rules or not so please feel free to delete this post if need be. But, is Costco not carrying the Vizio anymore? I don't see it on their website.

Thanks,
Mark

I was at the cc in Irvine, CA and they were still in the store and I also know they are at one in laguana niguel. But just not on the website.

The goods on Costco's website often have no relationship to what the warehouses carry.

The Vizio has never been on Costco's website.

Okay.. thanks for the update.

Mark

I just came from a local C__co and looked at the Panny 42 next to the Vizio 50 side by side. The tech was standing with me and the Panny blew it away. Visio was adjusted and Panny had Vivid setting. Both had component hookups. The C__co guy knew alot about these sets and he said the Pannys have always blown away all the other sets in terms of PQ. It was like getting yours eyes checked and the doctor asks you if this lens is better or this one? Like looking at the Panny with the stronger lens and the Visio with the weaker lens, it was that much sharper and clearer. Makes my decision even harder now. I have a 42 Visio to take back due to shutdowns. Debating between Visio 50, Panny 42 or 50 or Sharp 45 LCD. Any opinions?

Hmm, you really think the Panny looks that much better or is the the fact that the brightness and saturation of the Panny out of the box attracts you???

I just got back from my local Costco. They dropped the price of the phillips (said last one left) and the guy there was putting up the pioneer 50 right at that moment. Ill go back later to check it out although im still going to get the Vizio regardless.

It looks like the new 50" Panasonics are out at certain Costcos now. Just a heads up for the people waiting to trade in.

Let us know (or at least let me know) what you think once you get one home...I'm curious to see if it is worth the extra cash just by PQ alone being that my Vizio (knock on wood) has had no problems...

I have played 360 pretty extensively on mine. Image retention is a bit of an issue, but to-date burn-in is not. For instance, if I play a marathon 4-hr session of Oblivion, I can pretty much count on seeing the life bars faintly on the screen for the next hour or so of viewing (if I'm looking for them - they're still quite faint). The image retention does go away, and as long as you're mixing up your viewing enough, I wouldn't be too concerned about it. I've logged over 50hrs of Oblivion on this set and no burn-in whatsoever.

That said, I did wait until I had about 100hrs on my set before I played any games for more than an hour at a time.

Hmm. I may be returning the set then. It is the most annoying thing to have text pop up for 5 secs and see some ghosting.

The retention is really bad for like the first 200 or so hours.After that it gets much better.I was reminded about how bad it use to be since my brother-in-law liked mine so much he decided to get two of them.I see lots of screen retention on his but remember mine was just as bad.

On a side note,his are this years models May06 & March06 neither one buzzes on bright white screens like my Aug05 model does.Im exchanging mine ASAP!

FYI,I game on my plasma all day long,PC games/PS2 games/Xbox games/Next week 360 games.The good news is that im a smoker,so im always on smoke breaks during gaming sessions & switch to discovery HD durning them breaks.Just be carefull....turn your contrast down to 20 brightness to 46 color to 38 & takeup smoking

Looking at my dad's DLP I do notice that my Vizio does not have as much "pop" or 3 dimensional look like his does.

I've never seen a DLP with POP,although I have heard them go POP when the bulb goes out Cheap joke I know.At-any-rate,get the DLP then?No one is holding a gun to your head,or switch with your daddy

Why is it the last few DVDs I rented, the widescreen did not cover the whole screen. I know this can happen with some disk due to fact that all disks are not 16:9 (or what ever) but come on every movie? Whats the point of having widescreen if dvds don't take advantage of whole screen. I do have my DVD (rca DCR-8060N) set to Widescreen TV and so is the TV but that does not help. So I have to use zoom mode on TV to get rid of the black bars . Am I missing something or is this just the facts of Widescreen DVDs.

It seems like a lot (especailly the high budget ones) of the new movies are all in 2.35:1 ratio. That is the one that wont fill up your screen. I hate it too. Now I have DVDs that dont fill up the screen as well as SD that doesnt either.

There isnt anything to do about it except to watch it vertically stretched to fill the screen or have the bars.

1.85:1 DVDs won't either.

well pdawg, drwam and slaveunit, i have decided on the pioneer 5070 from TVA. got tired of waiting on the panny 600u, and i have been less than impressed with the panny 50u picture ive seen. just ordered it today and supposedly its already shipping. im just hoping for NO dead or stuck pixels, then ill be happy. i just finally got fed up with the vizio scaling and overscan problems along with a few other things, along with not having tuners or cablecard. i made the decision and wont be able to look back now. i wish you all luck with your sets and will continue to monitor and add my two cents to this vizio forum when needed.

How do you vertically strech it? Is that same as "zoom" mode ?

I've had a Vizio P50HD for about 3-4 months now. I'm probably going to [regrettably] return it. I wish I didn't have to, because I considered it a great value. Here are some of my impressions:

- The picture quality is great. But doesn't have enough control available at the user level. I have gotten no screen burnin at all.

- It looks good on the wall. I have it on a heavy duty articulating bracket about 30 degrees out from the wall, and a few degrees down (pointed directly at the viewing area, the corner of an angled couch).

- I wish I could remove the speakers, since they're not useful to me. I wonder how many 50" plasma buyers don't hook up to an external sound system.

- The buzzing sound from the transformer is very distracting. Even when movies are played at high volumes, in quiet periods of dialogue, the buzzing is clearly audible when lighter shades are drawn on screen. If there's bright white, it's downright annoying. From what I've read on the forums, there's not a great chance a replacement will make a significant difference.

- HDMI/HDCP handshaking with my Cox Cable SA3250HD box is flaky. I must have the TV powered on first, then power on the cable box for handshaking to work reliably.

- The HDMI interface doesn't like to be driven by my HTPC's video card. For clear text on screen, I have to use 720p output from my nVidia 7600GT card, which when scaled by the monitor is overscanned by what looks like 30 or so pixels on each edge. Using "native" (1360 or 1368x768) resolution makes text unreadable, so cutting off all edges of the screen is what I can get. I know that some other 50" plasma monitors are better able to handle PC video cards with DVI-HDMI connections than this one, and my HTPC is the primary video source.

- The display occasionally (1 out of 75 times or so, I'd say) fails when it starts up, doesn't display anything but garbage and must be restarted.

- The display very occasionally (1 out of 200 times? 2-3 times so far) boots into an error condition like the one noted previously, but doesn't recover with power cycling. It has required power disconnect/reconnect in these cases.

In sum, I have found that the picture quality, which is excellent, hasn't allowed me to forgive the several negative factors. I think that they still have some way to go until they get their componentry right (I would have gladly added another $50-100 for a quality power supply that doesn't buzz) and improve the software.

Overall, I think that general consumers will get an excellent value out of this display, provided they use traditional HD sources (cable, HDDVD/BRD) and don't focus as much attention to technical issues as I do. For me, I'll probably try the new Panasonic 50" from Costco, or a 45" Sharp LCD.