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post #61 of 121
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Originally Posted by Penton-Man
You didn't know ?
I'm on a mission to catch Rogo.
OOf! Good luck with that. Wait! What are you doing reading this? Write another post, right now!!! No more than one or two lines per post!
post #62 of 121
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Originally Posted by Penton-Man
In the summer of ’99, a little bird told me it was time to take the money and run from stocks to land. ;)
You still didn't answer the original point - why are you comparing estimated cost to what an analysts says "should be the price" ?
post #63 of 121
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Originally Posted by moore
OOf! Good luck with that. Wait! What are you doing reading this? Write another post, right now!!! No more than one or two lines per post!
How about a reference link or two?

Does that count or is that like double-dipping ? :o

See -
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post5491307

Or ………………
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post6081834

I miss Rogo. :(
post #64 of 121
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Originally Posted by Penton-Man
I think I did purty good at that type thing by being able to successfully retire at age 50 ! :)

Oops, actually 49 ½ ……….for purfect arithmetic. :D

In the summer of ’99, a little bird told me it was time to take the money and run from stocks to land. ;)

I must admit, I’m still finding it difficult that my accountant tells me I can’t gift myself 11K yearly because I think I deserve it much more than all the kids. :p

Sure could do with the extra pocket money.
PM, you did all that without knowing the difference between price and cost? Consider me impressed!! :)
post #65 of 121
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Originally Posted by PhdWho
The SONY response to Merril Lynch

Key here is that SPECS have yet to be finalized.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/690/690176p1.html

February 20, 2006 - Sony Computer Entertainment has reaffirmed its aim to release the PlayStation 3 in spring. However, it has also admitted that some areas of the system's specifications have yet to be finalized, and if finalization is delayed, the system's launch could be pushed back.

SCE's comments are in response to a recent report from Merrill Lynch Japan. According to Reuters, a Merrill Lynch analyst claimed in a report dated the 16th that many hardware and software companies have mentioned a possible delay for the PS3 to some time between fall and the end of the year. As reasons for the delay, the report mentioned a holdup in production of the system's video chip, problems with heat generation from the PS3 hardware and incomplete software content. However, the report also noted that Sony hadn't issued an official statement on the matter, and that Merrill Lynch would continue with the assumption of a Japanese release by May 31, the last official day of spring 2006.

A Sony public relations representative didn't specifically deny the report, stating to Reuters, "We cannot comment on analyst reports. At the present, we're aiming for a spring 2006 launch, just as planned." Reuters points out that Sony's comments did not specify a territory.

While sticking to its guns regarding a spring launch, the SCE PR agent admitted, "If we cannot finalize the specifications, we cannot release the PS3," adding, "We're currently waiting until the last minute for the specifications to be finalized." Asked what would happen in the case of a delay in finalizing the specifications, the Sony rep said, "We'd end up selecting the best time and releasing it. However, we cannot comment yet."

Ok, the ML thing & just about everthing else is all FUD. But, what (exactly) specs are not finalized. Today is 21 Feb 2006. Spring lasts until 20 Jun 2006. If today is not last minute (for manufacturing/distrobution) what is?
post #66 of 121
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Originally Posted by lovswr
Spring lasts until 20 Jun 2006. If today is not last minute (for manufacturing/distrobution) what is?
Hm, is spring in the southern hemisphere also from 22 Mar to 22 Jun, or is it from 22 Sep to 22 Dec? They might have had that spring in mind :confused:
post #67 of 121
Anybody go read about PS3 on digitalbits.com? If its delayed a year blu-ray is in serious trouble. PS3 will survive but blu-ray is in trouble. It really sucks because I want PS3 for games and PS2 just aint cutting it anymore. Anybody else read this? J.H.
post #68 of 121
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Originally Posted by Jimbo Moran
PM, you did all that without knowing the difference between price and cost? Consider me impressed!! :)
Well I liked dem internut stocks ALOT ! :D

Probably my most conservative investments were Qualcomm and Broadcom (kinda partial to the Orange County companies. :).......you know dem Broads :D )

Now go back over to the House thread to allow me to enlighten you on "medical dramas".

You're getting me dizzy !

P.M. by P-M.
In regards to PS3 I know zee Price will be Right ! :D
post #69 of 121
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Originally Posted by J.H.
Anybody go read about PS3 on digitalbits.com? If its delayed a year blu-ray is in serious trouble. PS3 will survive but blu-ray is in trouble. It really sucks because I want PS3 for games and PS2 just aint cutting it anymore. Anybody else read this? J.H.
Forget about PS3 and go with the real console - the Xbox360 !! I love it on my HD screens... I do not understand why some are still waiting for PS3 when there is already a great 3G console out there. Lets face it - Sony is way behind MS. The medium (ie HD-DVD vs BR) is really not that important when it comes to game consoles - it's the processing power, connectivity and availability of good games...

/Lars
post #70 of 121
Games on PS3

http://tothegame.com/ps3.asp?sort=usrelease&filter=all

Games on Xbox 360

http://tothegame.com/xbox360.asp?sor...ase&filter=all
post #71 of 121
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Originally Posted by Lars158
Forget about PS3 and go with the real console - the Xbox360 !! I love it on my HD screens... I do not understand why some are still waiting for PS3 when there is already a great 3G console out there. Lets face it - Sony is way behind MS. The medium (ie HD-DVD vs BR) is really not that important when it comes to game consoles - it's the processing power, connectivity and availability of good games...

/Lars
i agree i love my 360. ps3 kinda missed the boat....i don't care for MGS or GT, i think forza beats GT in every aspect. i'll only get a ps3 if there is something worth it. and so far i see no reason. killzone sucked and i'm sure killzone 2 will also.
post #72 of 121
How about the HD-DVD forum take the high road, and leave the PS3 threads to the Blu Ray hardware forum. Oh, look, there's one there already...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=647120

(I do appreciate the symmetry, though! ;) )
post #73 of 121
Topics merged.
post #74 of 121
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Originally Posted by K Rock XP
i agree i love my 360. ps3 kinda missed the boat....i don't care for MGS or GT, i think forza beats GT in every aspect. i'll only get a ps3 if there is something worth it. and so far i see no reason. killzone sucked and i'm sure killzone 2 will also.
I like my 360 also. The PS3 has no announced game that I am anxiously waiting for that I can't get for the 360. I myself am waiting for the 360 version of Farcry and of course Halo3. :D
post #75 of 121
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Earz
Wrong....it is hd dvd that is dead in the water and being launched even more crippled than it already was with 1080i, less than 40% movie studio support, basically no hardware support from the majors, and a lousy 2 channels of lossless audio.

The more desperate hd dvd becomes, the more its handful of fans seem to become.

If hi res video was going to be anywhere near as big as some here try and spin it, they would easily already have the first 30k players pre sold by now.

This is the part that hd dvd fans aren't getting......these formats will not take off for years, if ever, and the only real sales potential for either format for the next year plus will be the PS3.

This is why we see basic no facts FUD threads posted by hd dvd fans every other day in this section.

I say you guys need to rally your own troops with FUD because Blu Ray supporters aren't going to be spun around with Fud posts ;)

Did I say in my post that I was an HD-DVD Supporter? Did I right the article that I started the thread with? No, that was written by CNET. Does that make CNET an HD-DVD supporter?
I specifically did not. So if I post replys to this thread, I am an HD-DVD Supporter? Then that must make you Earz, an HD-DVD supporter!
Earz, you really should stop! Your support of BR is commendable/border line brown nosing.
To everyone who posts in the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD Area of AVSFORUM.
Please state for the BR Brown Nosers your support in your posts. Ditto for the HD-DVD Brown Nosers.
Maybe then you can get flamed by the correct group instead of being blanked doing something as simply as replying or asking a question.
post #76 of 121
DEAR SONY AND BLU-RAY FANBOYZ

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW! :eek:

MOOOOHOOOOOHOOOOHAAAAAHAHAAAAAAA! :D

Sorry, could not resist posting an immature rant.

It's funny that everyone that visits AV science forum with more than likely buy both HD-DVD -AND- a PS3 anyway.
post #77 of 121
I know the ps3 doesnt have a full slate of games yet but the 360 has quite a few really cool games announced.... If thats the launch lineup for ps3 (and i expect morer titles but not that many more atleast initially) imo they are in some trouble for a few months after they launch. Right now 360 has a 2 to 1 advantage.
post #78 of 121
from gameshout
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Sony says Merrill Lynch Wrong in PS3 Report

Posted Feb 23, 2006, 4:22 PM ET

Sony completely denies Merrill Lynch report of a PS3 delay, and said the report itself was mostly fabricated

It took us a couple of days to get this report out, as GameSHOUT had to confirm things with Sony beforehand. Sony Corporation is fighting back against PS3 rumors that were started from a Merrill Lynch & Co. report last week. In the report, Merrill Lynch stated that the Sony PlayStation 3 would be short of a spring launch and therefore delayed.

A Sony spokesperson said that some of the pricing quotes used by Merrill Lynch are completely bogus, since neither they nor any other firm know the exact assembly cost for the PS3. And, that a PS3 delay is "completely nonsense."

When we asked Sony what the price was to make the machine, we were told, "Sony doesn't comment on the machine's price," which is what we were expecting. In other words, how can Merrill Lynch quote pricing on components if they don't even know?

We also found out yesterday that Sony is indeed; ready to launch games for the PS3 in Spring 2006 with the video game machine. Other major game developers such as Capcom are not committed on a Spring launch for their games, which has started another rumor that PS3 is not going to launch in the Spring.

Sony has kept their release date, and through all the Internet fuss and web sites that are reporting delays, they have kept to their original launch schedule.

Kei Sakaguchi, a Sony spokesman in Tokyo said, "There is no change in our original plan to release the console in spring 2006 in Japan." while the Merrill Lynch report by Joe Osha stated that Sony may start selling the PlayStation 3 in Japan in autumn and by late 2006 or early 2007 in the U.S.

Sony is aware that any delay would give more selling advantages to both Microsoft Xbox 360 and the upcoming Nintendo Revolution.

Sony
is banking on the Blu-ray high-definition DVD format and the faster Cell chip for the PS3.

Microsoft loses about $153 on each Xbox 360, which retails for between $299 and $399, researcher iSuppli Corp. said. The Xbox 360 went on sale in November last year.

Nintendo's Revolution console may sell for less than $300 and will go on sale before Thanksgiving in November, said Reggie Fils-Aime, executive vice president marketing for Nintendo America.

Costs for making the PlayStation 3 may drop to $320 in three years, according to Osha.

GameSHOUT Radio will be featuring this story and other Sony PS3 news on the next "Sony PS3 Show" for Tuesday. GameSHOUT does regular weekly syndicated radio shows on FM stations in various markets, and the podcasts are always available for download.
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I know the ps3 doesnt have a full slate of games yet but the 360 has quite a few really cool games announced.... If thats the launch lineup for ps3 (and i expect morer titles but not that many more atleast initially) imo they are in some trouble for a few months after they launch. Right now 360 has a 2 to 1 advantage.
Only showcases known games. Widly known that the PS3 has the most industry support.
post #79 of 121
"Sony Corporation is fighting back against PS3 rumors that were started from a Merrill Lynch & Co. report last week. "

You fight back by simply making a couple announcements.

Hard to tell if the lack of announcements since E3 2005 is helping or hurting SONY right now.
Sure it keeps them in the press, but with all the AACS stuff floating around there is a lot to learn about what the PS3 is capable or not capable of.

You don't fight back and win any points by simply denying a report.
post #80 of 121
That's what they did last time. If they lower expectations passively by not strongly countering such a negative report they aren't running afoul of any market manipulation laws, and everyone will be relieved if it launches on time for the 2006 end of year buying spree, at say $500.
post #81 of 121
At engadget they refer to a Sony Computer Entertainment Japan spokesman stating that the PS3 could be delayed until the fall.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/25/p...-scej-and-afp/

Also says that Sony isn't accepting orders yet which reportadly makes sales in May near impossible.

-phil
post #82 of 121
A fall launch wouldn't surprise me at all. Sony won't forfeit two Chrismtases in a row to Microsoft and the Xbox360. They can't.

THAT deadline you can count on, if nothing else. ;)
post #83 of 121
Spring once again is march 20th tell june 20th
post #84 of 121
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Originally Posted by PhdWho
You don't fight back and win any points by simply denying a report.
They didn't just deny the report. They also started to lay the ground work of excuses in case the report turns out to be right.


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Originally Posted by moore
Even if it makes them late, I think Sony is better off launching with the supply chain full and with the bugs shaken out. Unlike... Another... Um. Console that I could mention.
I think that's giving them more credit than they deserve. There's no indication that they're anywhere near ready to produce anything. The delay isn't because they want to take some extra time to work the bugs out... they haven't even finished the specs yet. If anything it's going to be more rushed to market than anything prior. They have a lot ridding on the release with Bluray, and X-Box is making money while Sony is still burning R&D costs. I think they're going to get hardware into consumers hands asap and that's never conducive to a bug free product launch.


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Originally Posted by kevinca1
Once again Sony still says spring.
"We're aiming for spring, but we haven't announced specific regions," a spokeswoman for Sony Computer Entertainment said
Yep, Spring launch is planned for East Timor, but due to the country's general lack of electricity & running water, estimates on the number units sold remains in the single digits. :)
post #85 of 121
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Originally Posted by moore
Even if it makes them late, I think Sony is better off launching with the supply chain full and with the bugs shaken out. Unlike... Another... Um. Console that I could mention.


I think that's giving them more credit than they deserve. There's no indication that they're anywhere near ready to produce anything. The delay isn't because they want to take some extra time to work the bugs out... they haven't even finished the specs yet. If anything it's going to be more rushed to market than anything prior. They have a lot ridding on the release with Bluray, and X-Box is making money while Sony is still burning R&D costs. I think they're going to get hardware into consumers hands asap and that's never conducive to a bug free product launch.
I also think everybody is giving sony too much credit... sony has still yet to show the final box design (they havent removed that sticker from the glass casing) nor any actual gameplay of the device in action. And I think they will have the same supply issues initially as "that other console". I also think sony will have 2 or 3 "must have" games when they launch as well (just like the 360) and it will take 4 months before the next round of must haves come.

And for the record I really think the 360 launch went pretty well... (other than the initial supply issues) they have had some very good games from day 1 and now are close to getting the supply issues fixed and the content is much better now (not that it was bad at day 1 but it was about as expected... 2 or 3 good games and 15 or so filler games). There will always be failures in a new product but overall have been pretty quiet on that front for a brand new console and the OS has been pretty stable thus far (just wish they would fix the issue with downloading content and being able to play games while downloading)

Sony will also be launching a brand new online service (which if it lives up to the hype) will be something sony has never even come close to attempting before. Expecting them to get it right the first time imo would be asking too much. there will be issues and everybody should expect that. They will have a radical new processor design and a blueray drive which will be completly new too. Expecting sony to have a flawless launch imo is unrealistic imo.
post #86 of 121
I guess I'm just old school or very easy to please but the PS2 is still more than adequate for gaming in my taste.

BTW......Hello board, I am not necessarily new but this is my FIRST post on this forum.
post #87 of 121
Each sale of XBox 360 is a big loss to Sony (and one not likely to be recovered) because it is a commitment by the consumer to the next generation Microsoft games. This really concerns Sony to...Xbox 360 isn't sitting on shelves, it is flying off of them...

However unnoticed in all of the discussion was the little blurb about excessive heat generation among other technical issues. These are not easy problems to solve and lots of heat means the board designers will have to use more expensive components, something that Sony must solve in order to be profitable with this unit.

I think Sony is unsettled because of the technical issues, something they really don't want to highlight, rather than unspecified "specification" issues. Someone mentioned that it seemed strange to have a standards problem this close to announced launch date...I think there is a lot more to this story and it is all in the hardware...
post #88 of 121
Another reason why PS3 might be delayed.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060225-6265.html

All afternoon I've been slogging through IBM's 25-page paper on their newly released Octopiler, and now things are clearer to me. See, Cell's greatest strength is that there's a lot of hardware on that chip. And Cell's greatest weakness is that there's a lot of hardware on that chip.
post #89 of 121
Each sale of a 360 doesn't hurt Sony at all, since many people will be buying both systems just like they did this time. In my opinion the PS3 will have the most exclusive content because most developers are in Japan, and the 360 launch was pretty much a failure there, even selling less than the original xbox did at launch (according to Play magazine).
Also I know a couple people who had 360's fail and had to be returned, so heat issues are not only Sony's issue.
post #90 of 121
Just do the math: Even if MS doubles their console share, that means 40 million 360s out there at some point. If every additional sale takes away one PS3 (I agree, it won't, but let's just say worst-case for Sony that it does), Sony will end up with 'only' 80 million sold. 80 million installed Blu-ray machines vs. however many 360 owners shell out extra for an HD drive, that probably won't be needed for games.

Sony is going to do just fine.
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