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post #601 of 1236
Mission accomplished! In fact they were nice enough to hand deliver my PJ and screen right to my house! Won't be setting up the screen tonight but will certainly give the projector a test.
post #602 of 1236
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Originally Posted by darealgerk View Post

Mission accomplished! In fact they were nice enough to hand deliver my PJ and screen right to my house! Won't be setting up the screen tonight but will certainly give the projector a test.

Wow, now that's service!

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post #603 of 1236
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Originally Posted by darealgerk View Post

Mission accomplished! In fact they were nice enough to hand deliver my PJ and screen right to my house! Won't be setting up the screen tonight but will certainly give the projector a test.

Now that is the stuff legends are made of! It sucked when you had to wait, but you were certainly made a priority tonight!

Congrats
post #604 of 1236
Well it just kind of worked out that way, I was going to go pick up the stuff but they had to get a last minute shipment out to someone and I'm close to the Purolator main depot The timing I had setup to do my pickup would have caused them issues to be able to get to Puroator before cut-off time. That said I'm still appreciative that they delivered it to my house! The 100" Reference screen shipping carton is BIG. I didn't crack into it yet, will have to wait a few more days I think before I will have time again to get that going.

Really loving the new PJ so far, can't wait to see it on the reference screen!
post #605 of 1236
Ran into a snag when assembling the screen frame tonight. Had issues with the L braces for the corners not lining up well .. I think others here have had that issue too. In trying to force things I managed to bust one of the L braces too So much for watching the new screen this weekend!

I dropped a line to the eastporters guys, hopefully I can grab another brace and screw kit from them sooner than later.
post #606 of 1236
I always planned on writing my experience with the Elunevision 108" reference screen, but I had planned on doing it once the screen was up. I haven't reached that point yet.

I received the box (very long and a little heavy). A few crushes and cuts on the box. I put it aside for a few days.

Today, as we unpacked the box and laid everything out to put together the screen, I noticed 3 things

The felt was torn on two of the screen rails. On one of them, it was obvious before I unwrapped it, because the packing sheet around it was torn. The smaller tear had no defects on the packing sheet, and must have been packed that way.

The 3rd thing I noticed was on the screen material itself. There are random lines of circles on the screen, which appear to be a manufacturing defect. They appear to be from a compressive force and are present on both sides of the screen material. I don't know if I will see them when the projector is on. I have edited the photo of the line of circles to bring them out, they are much less subtle to the eye.

So far, I'm a little dissapointed to say the least. I'm more frustrated than anything else. When you pay this much for a screen, you'd expect them to at least inspect the pieces before shipping them out. At least that's what I would have expected. I've emailed them today. I'll continue my post when I know what's going to happen.

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post #607 of 1236
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Originally Posted by darealgerk View Post

Ran into a snag when assembling the screen frame tonight. Had issues with the L braces for the corners not lining up well .. I think others here have had that issue too. In trying to force things I managed to bust one of the L braces too So much for watching the new screen this weekend!

I dropped a line to the eastporters guys, hopefully I can grab another brace and screw kit from them sooner than later.

I picked up the replacement parts this morning, hopefully will finish assembling and mounting this afternoon!
post #608 of 1236
update:

I received an email from Milosh around an hour after emailing them (on a Sunday!) and he says they will send me replacements first thing Monday morning.

I'm pretty impressed with the speed of their customer support.

Errol
post #609 of 1236
Hi guys, I currently have an Elunevision Cinema white 1.2 screen with an Epson 6500UB and I was looking at the elunevision reference studio tab-tensioned screen on the Eastporters site. Would there really be that much of a difference in PQ if I got the elunevision reference studio tab-tensioned screen ? I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to screens, sorry.
post #610 of 1236
The new parts worked well for me, the initial L adapters had some manufacturing issues it seems as I couldn't get the screws lined up properly with them and once I did I couldn't actually get the screws to thread.

The screen is up and mounted and I'm happy with it (as for the level of my basement, that's another story LOL -- you don't notice these things until you pull out a level to start mounting things like this!).

I really need to do some more blackout material though and get some of my ambient light under control -- which is not a criticism of the screen, I knew I would need to do this. It's not too bad, only in very bright scenes with high contrast do I notice it much. Black velvet here we come
post #611 of 1236
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Originally Posted by darealgerk View Post

I really need to do some more blackout material though and get some of my ambient light under control -- which is not a criticism of the screen, I knew I would need to do this. It's not too bad, only in very bright scenes with high contrast do I notice it much. Black velvet here we come

An excellent idea that you will be very happy with when all is said and done. Best wishes to you, the difference will be remarkable.
post #612 of 1236
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An excellent idea that you will be very happy with when all is said and done. Best wishes to you, the difference will be remarkable.

12 meters of black velveteen. Nice black area rug. Think I am set (aside from installing it all of course!)
post #613 of 1236
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12 meters of black velveteen. Nice black area rug. Think I am set (aside from installing it all of course!)

Mostly installed and WOW. What a difference. Even the wife commented on it, which is rare. She told me if I buy that nice popcorn machine I was talking about she might never leave the man cave.
post #614 of 1236
Update:

Milosh was true to his word.
They shipped me a replacement screen Monday, which I received Tuesday.
I carefully inspected the new parts. The black velvet is perfect on these pieces. This screen does not have the random lines of circles the previous screen had, so it definately was a manufacturing defect.

I am VERY happy with the speed and quality of their customer support. 5/5! Great work, guys. It's this kind of service that wins you repeat customers and new customers through word of mouth.

Once the screen is put together and installed, I will post my review of the screen.
post #615 of 1236
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Originally Posted by seytan666 View Post

I am VERY happy with the speed and quality of their customer support. 5/5! Great work, guys. It's this kind of service that wins you repeat customers and new customers through word of mouth.

Another good reason to buy from this company, and another check mark on why I am glad I did so.
post #616 of 1236
I'm very happy with my 100" reference screen, cant wait to have a proper room built to put it in!
post #617 of 1236
A dedicated room is amazing. But it is critical to make sure function wins over looks, and that a dark or black ceiling is possible. The difference is critical to perceived contrast, and reflection.
post #618 of 1236
I'll be starting from scratch so I plan on doing it right the first time! I was planning on building a recessed pocket 18" deep and putting the screen in there. I will line the pocket with black velvet and then paint the walls a flat dark color with the roof a few shades darker. I also plan on having black velvet curtains on my side walls about 6-8 feet wide so I can open them up to soak up even more light. The speakers will be flush mounted into a speaker wall and all my equipment will be at the back or side of the room so I don't get distracted by lights up front. Ill have 3 zones of dimmable lights from front to back. Hopefully this will give me a good room!
post #619 of 1236
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Originally Posted by wpgcabby View Post
I'll be starting from scratch so I plan on doing it right the first time! I was planning on building a recessed pocket 18" deep and putting the screen in there. I will line the pocket with black velvet and then paint the walls a flat dark color with the roof a few shades darker. I also plan on having black velvet curtains on my side walls about 6-8 feet wide so I can open them up to soak up even more light. The speakers will be flush mounted into a speaker wall and all my equipment will be at the back or side of the room so I don't get distracted by lights up front. Ill have 3 zones of dimmable lights from front to back. Hopefully this will give me a good room!
When you start construction, begin a Build Thread, and PM me the link to it. I'd love to follow that! Sounds great!!
post #620 of 1236
I've used my new screen long enough that I think it's time I did a bit of a review on it.

I purchased the 100" reference screen, knowing that I would have to do some ambient light control in my room. The room lighting is 100% controlled (meaning that I watch movies in the dark with no lighting on and no light from external sources leaking in) but ... if you don't have dark walls, floors and ceiling with the reference screen you WILL see a difference. Any amount of ambient light will result in your image washing out to some degree. This is not a problem with this type of screen, this is exactly how it's supposed to work, it's just something that people wanting to go this route need to know.

I have now installed a bunch of black velveteen on the main wall and back about 4 feet from the screen and a dark throw rug in my HT room. It made the world of difference for my setup as my white ceiling and light grey rug reflected quite a lot of ambient light back into the room. Now, unless you're in a very bright scene in the video, the room stays very very dark. I may end up doing some more blackout stuff in the room (thinking black curtains all along one side of the room, which is open to the rest of my basement).

Resolution:
The resolution of this screen is awesome. I have never used or seen another screen in this class to compare it to (like a Stewart) but I have seen some of the "better" DaLite screens in a similar price range and this screen blows them away. Zero hotspotting with my setup, no sparklies, nothing to distract you from the video at all. It shows you pretty much exactly what you project at it. This is a good and bad thing. Good in the fact that you get exactly what you give it, but bad in the sense that if you don't have a good projector the screen is not going to give it any "help" (by help I mean additional contrast, nicer blacks, higher gain, etc). Again in my books this is good ... but only if you're happy with what your PJ can give you. I have an Epson 8350 and am pretty happy with the results. The black's aren't "inky" but that's no fault of the screen ... it's the lower cost PJ. While testing with a bunch of different resolution type charts and video the performance was outstanding. At full 1080p you see things very crisply right down to the pixel. In less stringent testing (i.e. just watching a good BD movie transfer) it's wonderful, you see all of the detail, the film grain, and anything else you need to see in the video itself.

Color:
The color the screen gives is very even with no obvious spikes anywhere in the spectrum. While I haven't done any serious calibration of my setup yet I'm very happy with the way things look here. Very even and very natural. This said I will tell you that I do work with pro photography and video on a mostly daily basis and would like to think that I trust my eye when it comes to color. My main computer monitors are all calibrated (with Eye-one Display 2 hardware) and are of good quality. The screen is very comparable color wise with the results I'm used to seeing on material that I'm very familiar with.

Build Quality:
This is one place that I can't give the screen full marks. The frame is great but as another person pointed out in this thread there were a couple of "dings" in the black velvet on the frame on my setup, as well as the EluneVision logo being damaged (the moon portion of it was bent coming out of the box and ended up falling off). The logo plate looks and feels pretty cheap, as do the corner braces of the screen (the internal L brackets). They are moulded plastic components and the first set of them that came with my screen had some manufacturing issues. I wasn't really worried about the small dings in the black velvet of the frame. They were very tiny and not super noticeable and by that point I had it mostly assembled and didn't want to further backtrack by asking for a replacement.

Given the price of the screen I would have expected a little more attention to detail. Not a show stopper but these things did lessen the whole experience. The plastic logo plate and the small added (and then fallen off) piece of the logo were a bit reminiscent of a much cheaper piece of gear in my eyes. Not the end of the world and not a show stopper (well aside from the non-functional L braces for which I had to get replacements) but something that the Elune folks might consider on the next incarnation of the screen.

Setup:
As stated before the instructions were not fantastic, but enough to get you going if you have any sort of common sense. Some things were left fairly vague and required a bit of guesswork (like exactly which way to insert the L braces), but not the end of the world. The screen took me around an hour to get fully setup (not counting the waiting time for replacement L braces). I did it myself and only really needed a second person to help hang the screen. It's very light, it's solid enough for what it is and hung very nicely. The screen tensioning worked out well (but did require considerable force, which they tell you about in the instructions). They don't give advice on which method to take in attaching the screen to the tensioning tabs. I did it length wise and it worked out fine -- meaning that I started at the right side of the screen and then attached it all along until the last bits were at the left side. It might be helpful to have 2 people during this portion. I managed it by myself but it would have been much easier with 2 people as attaching the last row and the required stretching force is considerable. There were no wrinkles or any other issues during this process, it worked exactly as advertised. I've also taken the screen back down twice and remounted it while installing all of my velvet and the like with no issues.

Overall
All-in-all I'm very happy with the screen. I like to think I have a fairly discerning eye when it comes to things like clarity and color (people do pay me to do post processing and color correction on video) and it lived up to my expectations. If you have a controlled lighting room and are willing to go the extra distance to control ambient light this is a great choice for you, especially when you compare it dollar wise to other offerings. At least from what I've seen that's readily available for me in the Toronto area it was the hands down winner. This is a great screen for cinemaphiles and others that want a true cinematic experience. On the other hand, this is not the screen you want to install in a place with ambient light or non-controlled lighting, or with projectors that need a lot of helps with their contrast levels or black levels. This screen gives you back pretty much exactly what you projector on it.

I do have a few images to post, which I will do shortly. While I do personally think it's a big waste of time to try and properly demonstrate how it "looks" and what it's color reproduction is (too much of that is left up to the skill of the photographer, the camera, and the "developing" of the image once you download it) some of the shots I've taken do definitely show off the resolution this screen is capable of. I'm sure that this screen will hold up long enough and be able to pull off the resolution for when we progress beyond 1080p and into the realm of 4k and above.
post #621 of 1236
And the shots from the calibration screen. The closeups are of the area in the top right and go right down to the single pixel. These were shot handheld so I can assure that any potential blurriness is due to me having too much coffee as opposed to the screen It's VERY clear and crisp right down to the individual pixel.
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post #622 of 1236
Here is an install and performance review of the Elunevision Reference Studio 100 Fixed Frame screen. I hope some find this helpful.

I purchased this screen from Dave/Milosh over at “Eastporters” out of Hamilton Ontario . As many have concluded, they were very helpful in picking the right screen for my setup. I recommend their products highly.

Given I ended up upgrading my receiver (now Yamaha RX-A3000 from V2095) and projector (now Panasonic PT-AE4000 form AE700) I naturally had to get a high quality screen to match this setup. Note I had lived with my Parkland plastic screen since 2002…it was indeed time for change! And what a change it was

http://www.elunevision.com/referencestudio.html
http://www.eastporters.com/estore/cart.php?page=index

Screen Material … Reference Studio 100
I was originally thinking of the Perlux Silver 1.4 material from Elunevision but went with the new Reference 100 standard instead. I discussed this with Dave and given my room was fully light controlled and had black ceilings and walls, I was sure I should get the ~1.1 gain Reference 100 screen. I wanted perfect HD and Blu-ray images and wanted a cinema wide screen so needed a standard gain and high quality material. This looked like it fit the bill and the landed price was right.

Shipping ...
The screen I wanted was not a regular stock item yet so I had to wait a few weeks to get fabricated and shipped to me. No problem as I had to learn and play with my new amp and projector anyway first. DHL delivered it after a few inevitable shipping issues with delivery (grr). After the new years break and a few weeks , it arrived in a HUGE box (~ 12’x1’x1’). Packaging was double boxed cardboard that took a beating but all inside was intact. It weighed about ~70 pounds so not bad to handle. Note is was able to fit in my Honda Odyssey van from back corner to just hanging out the passenger window.

Screen Size… Reference Studio Fixed Frame Cinemascope Format (2.35:1) 135” viewable diagonal
I always planned to get a cinemascope sized CIH screen to maximize my movie viewing experience by zooming my AE4000. I always hated having to view what I deemed to be smaller images on my old 106” diagonal 16:9 parkland DIY screen. It was fine for 16:9 material but widescreen movies needed more. Now was the time! This makes my 2.40 movies now 180% bigger area than before and just tweaked by standard 16:9 image bigger by 5%.

I have a limited height man-cave so had to squeeze in the most I could. I went wall-to-wall with just enough room for the image to clear my speakers. I ended up special ordering a fixed frame 2.35:1 screen measure 135” diagonal (124”x53” viewable area). This comes with a lovely 5in black velvet frame. Nice!

Assembly and Mounting … no problem
The manual was great and in fact this was a piece of cake to assemble.
The process took a casual 2 hours with lots of stop time for pictures.

It says this is a two person job but if you are careful managing the screen, one person can do this. I read about some people having problems with the corner L brackets but I had no issue. I took my time and first made sure the plastic L brackets were started in the frame channels by hand in the snug gap of the frame profile. You need to make sure it starts smooth and that the frame covering material is not binding as it initially slides in. Once in by an inch or two, I used a hammer and hit a piece of wood against the bracket (to protect the piece/frame) … slowly hammer the bracket in. Go slow and make sure it goes in straight and you should have no issue. Once all corners were in I went around and did final taps to make sure there was no end gaps (the frame fit the angles perfectly).
When set, there are 4 holes visible that are used for some holding screws just to keep things from backing out. Again go slow and make sure the screws are vertically square as they go it. You can tighten them by hand with a large quality screwdriver to get some torque and not strip anything.

The screen was next and needed to be unrolled carefully. I had some cramp space and this was where a helping hand would have been easier. I managed to get all the metal rods into each side and then layed it out on the frame. The 32 (!) mounting connectors I slid inside the frame slot in the prior step slide around no problem. (there were 2 extras included along with 2 extra screws) . Tensioning order wise, I did on short side fully, then that near half of a long side, then did half the other near long side to my started short end, then did the full other short side. Finally I went back and forth and finished the long ends. Try to end the last few in the middle of a long side where things stretch easier. When gripping the screen material, grab it so you are pulling the rod inside not the material alone. This screen material is as tight now after a week as it was day 1…. Perfect. The screen is very flat with not much surface texture at all. The material feels almost rubbery like but with no shine at all. I tested the back and a strong flash light held very close did not pass light through.

Once assembled its easy to lift and move about…but it is long so be careful not to damage the frame material! I eventually hung this on the wall with the three top brackets only, even though I put all 6 on . They slide around to line up with wall studs and I just used a laser level to ensure I had three proper size screws in the studs at the right height. It was simple a matter of 2 people lift and drop the screen into the slots of the hanging bracket. The bottom is free floating for me and essentially vertically straight to not bother with the pain of aligning all 6 brackets (I wish they would change the hanging brackets so the bottom ones are “reverse drilled” so the whole frame slides down on all 6 at once.) .

Brightness and Imagery…
(see pictures below)
One of this screen features I was drawn to was this screens ability to keep gain constant regardless of viewing angle. I sit ~15’ from this screen and so I wanted perfect color and no hot spotting in my wider screen. My viewing angle is <30deg so I could have gotten away with a modest higher gain screen but given my projector was mounted at minimum needed distance/minimum zoom (~14.5’) from the screen, I had plenty of light to use it’s zooming feature for ~11’ diag image, so image brightness should be no issue. In the end, it was the right call. My projector is excellent at this size brightness wise…and this is in eco-mode on color1.

All of my test and demos have truly impressed me. I am just wowed at this screens size and how well it matches the Panny AE4000. My all black end of my room is completely filled with is this new screen image. I have no color reflections to cause color drifts but I may still may seek a dark gray like rug for in front of the screen...my brownish carpet is still viewable on the ground. Note that when you go this big, the screen itself puts out a lot of light depending on the scene. To me, watching movies is now “brighter” even though I painted my grey sides black over these last weeks.

It’s no contests how much better this screen is over the old Parkland plastic screen. That old DIY screen did me well though but it had a bad air bubble that developed, and it did show hot spots and no-uniform colour. I see that even more now. It also now looks like it had a yellow hue to the image. The color and tones of the new screen are perfect to me!

Detail wise, this screen is advertised as having a better surface for 1080P (smaller) pixels. I found this to be true and have attached some images to try and show this. The flat surface of this screen shows the projectors pixel structure very clearly and I would thus agree it is giving a better screen definition of edging and detail. This is a great match now for the Panny along with my Yamaha RX-A3000 Video processor tweaks. Blue-ray detail look incredible let alone HDTV.


Conclusion …
I am damn happy. This was a perfect addition to my home theatre. I would recommend those of you with similar AE4000 hardware, or the like, to consider this Reference 100 screen material. I know you won’t be disappointed. I was worried about gain and almost went for higher gain … so glad I didn’t . For dedicated home theatres with light control, shut the lights off and gets this screen. Go as big and wide as you dare too! Thanks for reading.

Pictures coming right after this....

Cheers
post #623 of 1236
Here are the first 5 pics
(old parkland screen up in background)
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post #624 of 1236
Here is the second set
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third set
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fourth set
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post #627 of 1236
final install pics
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post #628 of 1236
screen capture images are tough but I tried to show here how the Panasonic AE4000 pixles are much more clear on the new Reference screen material over the Parkland screen..and yes it is indeed an unfair fight for the old DIY screen

I think this elunevision reference screen is awesome for detail

(newscreen is first one on left)
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post #629 of 1236
colours and detail is just sooo much better. These images barely capture how much better the new screen is. This screen definitely works wonders to ensure proper imagery and colour. It is well worth it.

..like I said, I'm happy.

I tried to reproduce images equally in my software (DPP).
first of set is new reference 100 screen (referenc, diyparkland, reference ,diyparkland)
second smaller one is Parkland Plastic. I used to think it was great as did my friends but in fact it's colours need tuning vs the out of box AE4000 settings which appear more refenec like on the refernce screen..go figure...
(AE4000 tuning only for contrast and brightness..these are on color1)
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post #630 of 1236
I played with the AE4000 color settings and below is the same image at various color settings. On this screen, the color1 reference truly looks great. I may slide over to Cinema 1 for a while though as it too looks great. These have only been tuned for brightness and contrast from base projector settings.

Note I tuned all images the same in DPP (my raw image editor)...
color1, color2, cinema1, cinema2, cinema3
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