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post #121 of 267
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Originally Posted by Paul Scarpelli
Someone PLEASE say "Triad" so I can rip out your esophagus!!

Kidding.

Please, in the spirit of fairness, before you throw a manufacturer under the bus, did you use pristine demo material and was it in a good sounding room? I just want to make sure everyone gets a fair shake. Make sure the sound you heard that was poopie was not because of the room or the program material.

And now back to your regularly scheduled program...
I have to totally agree with you. I went to one dealer and auditioned some Paradigm Monitor 7's. He had obviously taken the time to calibrate everything to achieve maximum listening results. I was really impressed with the auditioned. A few weeks later I was in another store with a buddy of mine and I kept raving how much I enjoyed the Paradigms. This store had the same set up so we had the salesman audition them for us and they sounded TERRIBLE!!!! I was so embarrased. It just shows that sound material and environment play a huge role while auditioning speakers.
post #122 of 267
I`d have to say Axiom M-60`s were a major disappointment for me!!!
post #123 of 267
Bose

especially the sub that comes with the units.
post #124 of 267
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Originally Posted by Dj_Frost
Bose

especially the sub that comes with the units.

I'm sorry, but you must be confused. Bose does not manufacture any subwoofers that I am aware of. ;)
post #125 of 267
hah..

well whatever comes with the unit (and from whichever brand it is) that they call a "subwoofer"
post #126 of 267
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Originally Posted by Dj_Frost
hah..

well whatever comes with the unit (and from whichever brand it is) that they call a "subwoofer"

uni-directional-proprietary-lower-midish-bassish-woofer
post #127 of 267
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But, what they lacked to my senses was the feeling of doing two chicks at the same time, which is the kind of action a guy like me expects from a $75k pair of something in my living room.
It didn't cost that much in Vegas at CES!
post #128 of 267
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Originally Posted by tweeterex
It didn't cost that much in Vegas at CES!
The Wilsons or the chicks??? :p
post #129 of 267
"is just not true as acoustic suspension speakers have always proven to have far lower distortion than bass reflex designs in tests."

The argument by assertion. The fact is that distortion goes up with excursion and sealed boxes need more excursion. Do you deny this basic fact? Do you know what distortion is and what causes it?


I'm in the middle of a move and all my books---Dickinson, Eargle, Davis and Olson among others, are packed away. Otherwise I'd cite sources for my argument.

Maybe you don't hold with Olson and Eargle?

A reasonable person knows that all bassloading systems have flaws and tradeoffs and recognizing that doesn't try to pass of personal preference as a law of nature applicable to everyone.
post #130 of 267
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The whole concept is ridiculous too because it is hugely dependant on the room setup, the system etc.
Certainly, that's why it's usually important not to judge negatively based on a single instance, or at shows. In my own case, for the model I listed, I went to two different places, brought my own recordings, and they sounded the same. I'd be willing to listen again, but I kinda lost interest after that.
post #131 of 267
My $0.02...

Canton LE170. About 3 years ago I was puting together a system for music in the living room. It was the first chance I've had to buy speaks for more than $100 so I thought throwing $800 or so would bring home some decent sound. I auditioned them at ABT (near Chicago) and, as those who had been there around that time know, they had a terrible listening room. In their listening room they sounded pretty good even compared to some higher-end speakers... Got them home and realized that I could NOT live with the shrill treble on these speaks (talk about SSSIBILANCE!), mediocre midrange and bass that sounded deep but had no punch or dynamics. I went to some other stores with better listening rooms to audition some. I brought home some Energy C-9s (got demos for the same price as the Cantons) and had some time to compare them to the Cantons. Within 10 seconds, I knew the Cantons were going back to the store (good thing ABT has a great return policy). I've been happy ever since.

Learned 2 things.
Audition speakers at home if possible, and at the very least in a reasonably constructed listening room. It was great to compare the 2 in the same room.

Don't buy speakers based on name and specs. Based on what I've heard about Cantons, they make some nice stuff and these looked good in print.


They can't hold a candle to the Energys I compared them to (and which replaced them). I'm sure some of their high-end stuff is nice, but I couldn't live with these.

Still learning...
-todd
post #132 of 267
The Nuance speaker line was real disappointing. A local store became a dealer and I remeber going in for something low cost and the guy pulled me in to audition the Nuance.

After the mandatory Hotel California, I told him they sounded like crap and his jaw dropped to the floor.

Then he showed me the pricing list where the prices were riddiculously high and said he could sell me then for like 30% of the listed price. What a laugh.

This is a company that has a "white van" like approach to selling speakers.
post #133 of 267
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Originally Posted by kingofthehill
I have to totally agree with you. I went to one dealer and auditioned some Paradigm Monitor 7's. He had obviously taken the time to calibrate everything to achieve maximum listening results. I was really impressed with the auditioned. A few weeks later I was in another store with a buddy of mine and I kept raving how much I enjoyed the Paradigms. This store had the same set up so we had the salesman audition them for us and they sounded TERRIBLE!!!! I was so embarrased. It just shows that sound material and environment play a huge role while auditioning speakers.
OH MAN, YOU ARE SOOOO CORRECT ON THIS.
post #134 of 267
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Don't buy speakers based on name and specs. Based on what I've heard about Cantons, they make some nice stuff and these looked good in print.
If you haven't heard them sound good somewhere don't assume they'll improve, but if you've heard something that sounds great, you should be able to get it to sound that way again.
post #135 of 267
Well that does it! After all this Klipsch bashing I am going to put my Klipsch Heritage HT up for sale. And all this time I thought I loved them.
post #136 of 267
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Originally Posted by micagreenmachine
My $0.02...

Canton LE170. About 3 years ago I was puting together a system for music in the living room. It was the first chance I've had to buy speaks for more than $100 so I thought throwing $800 or so would bring home some decent sound. I auditioned them at ABT (near Chicago) and, as those who had been there around that time know, they had a terrible listening room. In their listening room they sounded pretty good even compared to some higher-end speakers... Got them home and realized that I could NOT live with the shrill treble on these speaks (talk about SSSIBILANCE!), mediocre midrange and bass that sounded deep but had no punch or dynamics. I went to some other stores with better listening rooms to audition some. I brought home some Energy C-9s (got demos for the same price as the Cantons) and had some time to compare them to the Cantons. Within 10 seconds, I knew the Cantons were going back to the store (good thing ABT has a great return policy). I've been happy ever since.

Learned 2 things.
Audition speakers at home if possible, and at the very least in a reasonably constructed listening room. It was great to compare the 2 in the same room.

Don't buy speakers based on name and specs. Based on what I've heard about Cantons, they make some nice stuff and these looked good in print.


They can't hold a candle to the Energys I compared them to (and which replaced them). I'm sure some of their high-end stuff is nice, but I couldn't live with these.

Still learning...
-todd

I must be easy to please because my LE170's sound great to me.....

I can't say I've experienced the shrill you're talking about. I wouldn't think fabric tweeters would be as shrilly as titanium based....
post #137 of 267
i did not buy them but i was so disapointed with the b&w 703s. Very dull sounding speakers.
post #138 of 267
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Originally Posted by ChrisCollins
I have a few speakers that fall into this category but one that sticks out was the JM Lab Chorus 706 and 707.
It was in a dealers room with different gear so of course that could be the reason.
I also had Triangle Titus' at home, but the Chorus 706/707 sounded so muffled compared to the Titus,
but again, could have sounded different at home.
Ill second this. They did sound muffled. Now the Cobalts and Profiles are a COMPLETELY different story.
post #139 of 267
rudy81, WOW very very nice setup! I bet if the klipsch bashers could listen to yours they would leave their clubs at the cave and come hear a REAL HT setup! I know how great mine sounds and can only imagine yours sounds even better!

Honestly I found this thread to be of absolutlely no value the first time I heard klipsch mentioned, I'm sure the owners of, axiom, canton, B&W and whichever other speakers are to be mentioned feel the same way, I think we should get BACK on the news networks, because that added more value to this thread! Even the Bose bashing gets old, maybe there should just be a sticky for bose owners that sums it up for everyone. I promised myself I wouldn't come back to this thread, but I just seem to like to punish myself :)

Klipsch is a GREAT speaker for home theater and the only thing that sounds harsh and shrill on these speakers are CNN,NBC,CBS, and all other liberal news propaganda media agents who pretend to be non biased. :rolleyes:

Apologies if I seem harsh and shrill, it just gets old reading it, I'll cool out now :cool:
post #140 of 267
the ones i really liked but could not afford.
post #141 of 267
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Originally Posted by rushisrighton

Klipsch is a GREAT speaker for home theater and the only thing that sounds harsh and shrill on these speakers are CNN,NBC,CBS, and all other liberal news propaganda media agents who pretend to be non biased.
This is supposed to be a forum about speakers, not right-wing ********.
post #142 of 267
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM
This is supposed to be a forum about speakers, not right-wing ********.

AMEN
post #143 of 267
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM
This is supposed to be a forum about speakers, not right-wing ********.
i think if you read back you'll see that the original politicla post was from the other side of the isle ;) but no matter, politics doesn't belong here, i am guilty as well.


anyway i thought the b&w 703s sounded pretty good when i heard them a week ago. not amazing, but pretty nice. coming out of rotel seperates.
post #144 of 267
I don't like political BS any more than I like hearing klipsch sucks. The political cat was out of the bag many posts ago, and it helped make my point. Normally I wouldn't bring this in but this seems more like a place to trash things than to inform. dissapointment is fine, flaming is another. I will keep the politics out, but this thread was doomed from the beginning, I do like a good debate though. peace.
post #145 of 267
wow, who knew this thread would turn into people's egos getting all bent out of shape cause someone doesn't like brand X. I totally did not see that coming. I mean wow. I'm sure that if someone doesn't like brand X, and I own brand X, then that person doesn't like me, and I must ride forth and smash them for having an opinion. Self worth = speakers, this is the rule of the stereo.
post #146 of 267
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Originally Posted by devinjc
wow, who knew this thread would turn into people's egos getting all bent out of shape cause someone doesn't like brand X. I totally did not see that coming. I mean wow. I'm sure that if someone doesn't like brand X, and I own brand X, then that person doesn't like me, and I must ride forth and smash them for having an opinion. Self worth = speakers, this is the rule of the stereo.
maybe i haven't read every post here, but i don't remember seeing anything like what you described in this thread. i think most of the debate and banter is lighthearted. but maybe i missed something.
post #147 of 267
perhaps you missed that I was really exaggerating, and just generally being a smartass. :) and I left out smilies.
post #148 of 267
big meanies :)
post #149 of 267
Paradigm Studio 60's & 40's. To much bass & midrange that overpowered the highs.
PSB Image T45 & 55's. Probably a bad demo room.
B&W 600 & 700's To dull/flat for my ears, not enough brightness in the highs
Boston Acoustics VR3's, way to bright and it was hooked up to a Marantz Receiver.
post #150 of 267
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Originally Posted by tdogroeder
Paradigm Studio 60's & 40's. To much bass & midrange that overpowered the highs.
PSB Image T45 & 55's. Probably a bad demo room.
B&W 600 & 700's To dull/flat for my ears, not enough brightness in the highs
Boston Acoustics VR3's, way to bright and it was hooked up to a Marantz Receiver.
Wow, this is the opposite of what I would have expected. B&W speakers are generally considered very bright, sometimes excessively so. Boston speakers are usually described as warm and laid-back, again sometimes excessively so.
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