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post #151 of 267
One word, Nuance
post #152 of 267
some of the ipod speaker systems are just rip off peice of junk. Klipsch and Monitor audio aside, they all pretty much suck. I think if it was a project or dare, I would be able to build a better speaker system with a battery, a coke can, some copper wire, a couple of magnets from an old lego set, cardboard, elmers glue, and a rubber band.

someone dare me!
post #153 of 267
Bic Acoustech's-They were more first foray into decent audio (2 months ago). They replaced some 15 year old Pioneer 3 way towers and a $20 KLH center.

At first I was extremely happy with them. The sound was much better. But now that I've had some experience with actual, real speakers I'm beginning to generate a healthy dislike for them.

The speakers are primarily advertised as great HT speakers and not so good for music. I have the exact opposite opinion of them. I like them much better for music than HT.

The center just doesn't handle voices well at all. Higher pitched voices come out shrill and painful. It was so bad I returned the center for another one (I thought the speaker was bad). When I got the new speaker and noticed the same thing I figured out it was the speaker's normal sound. Oddly, the mains seem to handle it quite fine. I don't notice the shrillness at all when listening in stereo. It's really confounding because they appear to use the same speakers in different boxes.

At other times though I do like the BICs. I think things like strings and acoustic music sounds great (for a $450 set of speakers). At times like that I'm extremely satisfied with the speakers, but that high pitched squeal is just irritating.

The speakers also have no bass at all. Zero, zilch, nada. It's not an issue with me since I have a good sub (omni s12) and that fixes things but I've since several "reviews" raving about quality bass output in these speakers (without the H100 sub) and I can verify that is total crap. Any one that says BIC Acoustech's have any type of bass whatsoever should be flamed remorselessly.

That being said, I still haven't given up hope on these speakers yet. I plan on replacing my old JVC receiver with one of the digital receivers (Panny xr55 or similar). Hopefully that will fix the shrillness of the center (I'm holding out slim hope that the receiver is causing this problem).

If a new receiver can fix the shrillness on highs I will gladly change my opinion of the BICs but until then color me disappointed. After hearing the voices on it, I can't imagine any one liking them so maybe it is the receiver.

If it's not the receiver then I'll have to start hiding money away from the wifey so I can afford something like some Ascent's.
post #154 of 267
Now I know the speakers to buy. I was shocked to see so many big name speakers get panned. Now I know to buy Sony speakers, since I have not seen 1 negative here. You guys are fantastic! :rolleyes:
post #155 of 267
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Originally Posted by Rabbit97
Now I know the speakers to buy. I was shocked to see so many big name speakers get panned. Now I know to buy Sony speakers, since I have not seen 1 negative here. You guys are fantastic! :rolleyes:
Rofl

I'll just add that I went home to see my brother last year and was raving about these speakers he got from some guys in a van at the gas station. They were used by DJs but the company "accidently" sent them 2 pairs instead of the 1 they ordered, so they were selling them real cheap because they needed the money.

He paid $200 for them. They're thin, silver floor standing speaker with spikes on the feet. There's a model number on the back that says something like TS-6000. Here's the kicker, inside is one single tweeter. The only speaker in them. He hooked them up and was raving about how great they were. I didn't have the heart to tell him the tvs built-in speakers sounded better.

Sadly he had some of the worst sounding speakers I'd ever heard and he was NOT disappointed in them because he thought he got a great deal. Perception is everything I guess.
post #156 of 267
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Originally Posted by aragon127
The center just doesn't handle voices well at all. Higher pitched voices come out shrill and painful. It was so bad I returned the center for another one (I thought the speaker was bad). When I got the new speaker and noticed the same thing I figured out it was the speaker's normal sound. Oddly, the mains seem to handle it quite fine. I don't notice the shrillness at all when listening in stereo. It's really confounding because they appear to use the same speakers in different boxes.
maybe you can get another main to use as a center. :?:


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That being said, I still haven't given up hope on these speakers yet. I plan on replacing my old JVC receiver with one of the digital receivers (Panny xr55 or similar). Hopefully that will fix the shrillness of the center (I'm holding out slim hope that the receiver is causing this problem).
who can really say, but it seems like that might even make it worse. unless the JVC has a lot of high end or is really bright. ultimately, i would opt for the option of saving up for the ascends. :D
post #157 of 267
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Originally Posted by aragon127
Rofl

I'll just add that I went home to see my brother last year and was raving about these speakers he got from some guys in a van at the gas station. They were used by DJs but the company "accidently" sent them 2 pairs instead of the 1 they ordered, so they were selling them real cheap because they needed the money.

He paid $200 for them. They're thin, silver floor standing speaker with spikes on the feet. There's a model number on the back that says something like TS-6000. Here's the kicker, inside is one single tweeter. The only speaker in them. He hooked them up and was raving about how great they were. I didn't have the heart to tell him the tvs built-in speakers sounded better.

Sadly he had some of the worst sounding speakers I'd ever heard and he was NOT disappointed in them because he thought he got a great deal. Perception is everything I guess.
ouch :(
post #158 of 267
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Originally Posted by starcycle
maybe you can get another main to use as a center. :?:




who can really say, but it seems like that might even make it worse. unless the JVC has a lot of high end or is really bright. ultimately, i would opt for the option of saving up for the ascends. :D
I'm probably going to eventually end up with some Ascends, it's just a matter of when. I'd like to consider the BIC's my "entry" into true audio and eventually upgrade them to some Ascends or better. The receiver is alright but I'm really sold on the all digital receivers. Seems like it would work great with my HTPC setup.

Hopefully I can work to improve the shrillness of the center and start saving, but if I can't do something about it I won't be able to wait.
post #159 of 267
Thiel CS2's were my biggest disappointment. They were raved about in the magazines, including in the Absolute Sound by Harry Pearson Himself. But they did not work for me. Replaced with Linn Kan's and lived very happily for a while afterward. Oh, and a few pairs of B&O's disappointed me but they aren't supposed to sound great.
post #160 of 267
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Originally Posted by Henry Lambert
Not one of them sounded good to me on every recording. Some days I like to listen to some classical and other days some metal. I have not heard a speaker that can do it all.
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Haha, sounds like you need multiple rooms with different brand of speakers for different types of music :)
post #161 of 267
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Originally Posted by Rabbit97
Now I know the speakers to buy. I was shocked to see so many big name speakers get panned. Now I know to buy Sony speakers, since I have not seen 1 negative here. You guys are fantastic! :rolleyes:
Yeah, you buy Sony, I buy Fluance :D
post #162 of 267
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Originally Posted by simpleHT
Haha, sounds like you need multiple rooms with different brand of speakers for different types of music :)
actually no, 2 pairs of different speakers + 1 speaker selector switchbox would do.
post #163 of 267
I am currently shopping for speakers. So far nothing has overwhelemed me.

The biggest dissapointment were the B&W's 700's. Just not very smooth or detailed.

The B&W 803's were dissapointing for the money.

Martin Logans (not sure the model, came with 8" powered drivers).

Hell if anyone has suggestions on a speaker they love in the B&W 803 price range (or less) let me know. For the WAF any speaker that is a standard shaped box or tower is going to be a tough sell.
post #164 of 267
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Originally Posted by edster922
actually no, 2 pairs of different speakers + 1 speaker selector switchbox would do.
In fact, I never like speaker selector. I always hyperthetically think there will be some signal losses during pass thru
post #165 of 267
"Hypothetically think." Wow, what a concept. Sounds like something in a Hofstadter dialogue.
post #166 of 267
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Originally Posted by simpleHT
In fact, I never like speaker selector. I always hyperthetically think there will be some signal losses during pass thru
That's what I've heard too, but usually from the same people who claim to hear differences between different lengths of speaker cable. :D
post #167 of 267
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Originally Posted by AMG_Roadster
I am currently shopping for speakers. So far nothing has overwhelemed me.

Hell if anyone has suggestions on a speaker they love in the B&W 803 price range (or less) let me know. For the WAF any speaker that is a standard shaped box or tower is going to be a tough sell.

Look at the Vandersteen speakers, the Model 2 or Model 3 should be in that price range.

http://www.vandersteen.com/pages/prod_info.htm
post #168 of 267
SONY Towers 660H

Returned SVS 20-39 PCi this week.
post #169 of 267
what didn't you like about the PCi?
post #170 of 267
No one's complained about the mighty Klipschorn?
post #171 of 267
I think the second post in here said something about klipsch. When I auditioned klipsch, I thought they sounded very unnatural. Same thing about kef. Of course these were not their signature pieces but I was comparing them to the comparable def techs and was more impressed by them- naturally sounding wise.
I used to have a pair of mini-monitors by paradigm and thought they were okay. I am currently looking to do an upgrade and listened to the monitor 9's, studio 40's, studio 60's and focal cobalt towers (can't remember the numbers). Cosmetically I really liked the monitor 9's on the internet but up close the studios were better looking imho. And the sound difference was major. Thought that both pairs of studios really shined up next to the focal and monitors. Focal didn't disappoint me, just for what kind of sound I was looking for, the studios have really made me think hard about them.

By the way, the above story makes a good point that I want to highlight. All you people out there that only tell people to go listen and audition when looking for speakers, you know who you are. Well, you guys SUCK. My projected budget has nearly tripled since I started "listening and auditioning".

Just kidding about sucking. But it has been an interesting ride the last few months hearing the vast differences between comparably priced speakers.
post #172 of 267
Disappointing? Some of the floorstanding Polks.
post #173 of 267
>Disappointing? Some of the floorstanding Polks.

I have the rtti12's, I've found that many of the folks who don't like them either:

- just like a different sound, like the inifinity or klipsch, which I find to sound artificially boosted in the high range. I guess I like the silk tweeters, as every metal or horn speaker I hear sounds really harsh to my ears. The polk silk tweeter sounds natural to me. I tried 9 different center channels before settling, and various polk models were my 2 finalists.
- have only listened when the speakers were powered by an avr, and not properly amped, as the rti12 needs something better than an avr. The rti10's also benefit from something better, but sound decent with most quality avrs.
post #174 of 267
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Originally Posted by cneely8
>Disappointing? Some of the floorstanding Polks.

I have the rtti12's, I've found that many of the folks who don't like them either:

- just like a different sound, like the inifinity or klipsch, which I find to sound artificially boosted in the high range. I guess I like the silk tweeters, as every metal or horn speaker I hear sounds really harsh to my ears. The polk silk tweeter sounds natural to me. I tried 9 different center channels before settling, and various polk models were my 2 finalists.
- have only listened when the speakers were powered by an avr, and not properly amped, as the rti12 needs something better than an avr. The rti10's also benefit from something better, but sound decent with most quality avrs.
I've found that the Polk RTi series sounds much brighter than Klipsch Reference or even Infinity Beta speakers. I've owned speakers from each series. While I found the RTi8s that I had a tad bright, I also liked the detailed sound.
post #175 of 267
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This thread will certainly raise the ire of many. But again, all just opinions...
Almost every speaker has been listed so what does that mean? Everyone likes a different sound, imagine that. ;)
post #176 of 267
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Originally Posted by ppontiac
No one's complained about the mighty Klipschorn?
How can you complain about it. It does what it is designed to do really well. What other speaker can fill your corners completely, piss off the wife so well, and play at 105dB @ 1 watt. The sound may be hideous, but who in the last 30 years has bought them thinking they were the best sounding speaker they could get?
post #177 of 267
How many of these auditions were done correctly? My guess is very few. usually we are stuck with how some stereo shop throws this stuff together, or has mega buck equipment hitched up, or has totally different room configuration. Or has room treatments. the list goes on and on this thread is basically worthless or worse yet damaging to some good equipment. I get home and my own system goes from great to crap with a simple disk change. but when its right, it sounds great. I like to keep trying new stuff and that costs alot, but most of the differences I have heard have been very small. Ill bet you take a lower budget (not junk) full sized front and put lots of good clean power to it and most with a little tweeking can sound pretty good to all but the most demanding listeners. As far as some of these speakers on this list sounding poor, I know some are not. The value of a speaker is directly connected to our income and how it performs has a alot to do with alot of other things.
post #178 of 267
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Originally Posted by Dj_Frost
Bose

especially the sub that comes with the units.
I believe Bose calls it a Bass Module
LOL
post #179 of 267
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Originally Posted by jennifer drayton
I believe Bose calls it a Bass Module
LOL
crappp crappp crapppppp :p

can't wait for my pb12nsd that should ship out tommorow :D :D
post #180 of 267
B&W 801's.
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