The "Official" Denon AVR-2807 Thread - Page 83

Other than the remote... they are identical.

pretty sure when you plug anything into the headphone jack it disables speaker outputs, that what you wanted to know? or are you not getting headphone sound at all? if they are small pin headphones just go grab a small to large headphone jack adaptor but like i said it will probably kill the speakers

...and they have a slightly different appearance.

Erm - I have a HTPC (Windoze) and when I run the HDMI output of the PC through the receiver, the video goes all shadowed. Rez is 1080p and it's an Asus HDMI 7600GT card.

The card plugged directly into the screen yields a very nice, clear 1to1 mapped screen, so I'm almost sure there's a problem with the receiver

I've ordered a new 8500GT card to see if that makes any difference, but if not, I am not going to be a happy bunny!

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

I was programming some new codes into my Harmony and while learning one from the 2807, I accidently switched the RoomEQ from Audyssey to Off. I was listening to the CD Player at the time.

Is it me, perhaps I never noticed, since I have always had Audyssey set to On... but the sound seemed to get a little more ?clear?. The highs (cymbals, guitar, pop of snare drums, etc. were much more bright. The overall sound appeared more ?open? and spacious, too. Even the bottom end seemed less crowded and not so thick.

I spent some time flipping back & forth between the two, over several disks containing different genres.

Yikes!!! It seems like Off sounds better than Audyssey!!!!

Thoughts?????

Audyssey rolls off the top end slightly so with Audyssey off you should get a bit more top end on things like cymbals and snares, maybe less on guitars depending on whether they're acoustic or electric and, if electric, how much top end the player likes in their sound. That bit of extra top end can give the appearance of greater clarity and spaciousness but things may not be any more clear or spacious in the mids and bass and, depending on how good your room's natural acoustics are, they may even be worse in those areas.

Given that you like the top end with Audyssey off, what you're losing by turning it off is what Audyssey does in smoothing response in the bass and midrange area. Try turning the EQ setting to "Flat" instead. That will give you what Audyssey does elsewhere in the frequency range but with a flat rather than a rolled off top end. It will be a different result again to turning Audyssey off. Turning Audyssey off means that the top end is at the mercy of your room's acoustics. Using the Flat setting will give you flat response in the top end in your room while, as I said, Audyssey gives you a slight, smooth roll off at the top end. With the Flat setting you will get a bit more top end than with the Audyssey setting but whether you get more or less top end than with the Off setting will depend on the nature of your room's acoustics. In a bright room, the Off setting may produce a brighter top end than the Flat setting while in a more damped room, the Flat setting may well give the brighter result.

You really have 3 options, Audyssey/Flat/Off and there is a 4th option, Front, which may be of value if your surround speakers are different to your front speakers. Try all of the options and choose which suits you best.

Some people like the Audyssey response curve and some don't. This is a personal taste issue and there's nothing sacred or perfect about Audyssey's standard response curve. I happen to like it but I also like the Flat setting though it can get a bit bright in my room which is a quite bright sounding room. Others don't and that's fine also.

If you still think Off is the best setting after trying all of the options, you can experiment further with manual EQ settings as well.

David Aiken

Same thing for me. Once I heard it off, it has stayed off.

I use Front. It seems the better your front speakers relative to the others the better Front is.

I'm guessing my room is not perfect, but it's pretty good. I've done a few things (within cosmetic reason ) to help prevent excessive reflectivity.

I'm going to look at the graphs later to see how much is actually being rolled off at the top, but is sounds like a little more than "slightly".


FLAT sounds very close to OFF. I've been flipping back & forth this morning, and find little difference. FLAT does seem to be slightly better for the mids & bass, while having little difference in the high end. Actually, I think I prefer this. But, I'm still listening.

[quote=David Aiken]You really have 3 options, Audyssey/Flat/Off and there is a 4th option, Front, which may be of value if your surround speakers are different to your front speakers. Try all of the options and choose which suits you best.[quote]

Not sure where FRONT would apply. I am listening to music in STEREO mode, using just the FL/FR/SW. Unless, the Audyssey ON setting is altering the performance for the fronts, based on the fact that my surrounds are different (even though they are not in play for this use) - I'm not sure what else it would be doing.

[quote=David Aiken]Some people like the Audyssey response curve and some don't. This is a personal taste issue and there's nothing sacred or perfect about Audyssey's standard response curve. I happen to like it but I also like the Flat setting though it can get a bit bright in my room which is a quite bright sounding room. Others don't and that's fine also.[quote]

I love what Audyssey does for HT use. I've been playing around with that, and I found that setting AUTO for input mode, and running Audyssey, gives me fantastic sound (and as inteneded by the author) for movies/TV. Any other configuration just sounds poor, for one reason or another. Like the "soundfields"... tried them all.. don't like them at all. Except, I do like 5 channel stereo, but I don't use that for HT, just occaisonal music use.


Thanks for the feedback!

For music? HT? or both? I actually like what it does for 5.1 in HT use.

Even if you are not using your surrounds? My fronts are better than my surrounds, but for music, I almost NEVER run anything other than just the fronts.

I do not use it for music. I use Front Audyssey all the time in a 7.1 HT.

Does "front" Audyssey turn off the surrounds?

NO... FRONT sets the EQ for all active speakers to the curve of the front speakers. If the surrounds are on, at that time, they will be processed using the FRONT parameters.

You turn the surrounds on/off by whatever listening mode you choose (7/5 channel stereo, DD, PLX, etc.).

I leave Audyssey always off.
It just doesn't sound right when it is on.
A pity that I paid for this 'technology'

I haven't tried Front. My surrounds are the same as my front speakers, full range speakers that Setup classifies as Large and which get their crossovers set to 40 Hz automatically. I just leave things the way the Setup sets them.

I don't use the HT system for music since I have a separate 2 channel system in a different room which has a fair bit of DIY acoustic treatment.

The room my HT system is in is bright, quite bright in comparison to the damped room in which the music system is located. I really appreciate the results with the Audyssey setting which not only tames the brightness for me but gives a much more balanced sound over the whole frequency range.

David Aiken

I've got an (all-new) setup: http://www.silvren.com/hometheatreavs/

And I'm not sure I'm too happy with the Pioneer 82TXS (can't set individual x-over points, x-over points are not quite what I want, when you set Fronts to small it FORCES you to set center to small).

And from what I've read the 2807 can do all that. I've got 5 more days to return it and snag a 2807.

When I do the setup on the Pioneer. I can force-set my speakers to small/small/small/LFE on before I run the calibration.

Can the 2807 do anything like this? I don't want my Def Tech 7002's to run as large.

J

Let me know what you decide... I'm looking at both of these Pioneer 82 & Denon 2807.

The 2807 is quite versatile with respect to crossover settings for all channels & SW as well as speaker sizes. There's extensive literature out there that pretty much says all speakers should be set to small regardless. It's a confusing issue to say the least as you have SW crossover points, speaker crossover points, LFE or LFE + Main, Large and Small. I went with the THX recommendations, set everything to small, LFE + Main crossed all speakers over @ 80hz, crossed the sub @ 120 and have been very pleased with the results. It's a good starting point to begin tweaking from regardless.

I've not demo'd the Pioneer but I can attest to the 2807 being both an excellent and highly versatile machine. So much so it takes a good amount of time to tweak it to your liking. Once done you will be thoroughly pleased with the results, it's truly among the best bangs for the buck out there.

How are you crossing both the speakers at 80Hz and the sub at 120Hz?

What's the best way to switch between Dolby PLII Cinema and Dolby PLII Music? My cable service offers many stereo music channels. I would like to listen to them with PLII Music, but I don't want it to be the default setting. I want PLII Cinema to be the default for stereo TV signals. I know it must be some combination of the Standard, Cinema, and Music Buttons.

Easy enough...

If you have your input selector set to AUTO, then when you switch on your cable STB, it will come up in DD or PLII Cinema when you have a video source... when you change the channel to a digital music channel, just push the MUSIC button on the remote, and that will give you PLII Music. When going back to an input where you want to watch the video, it will then default back into AUTO mode and give you DD or PLII (depending on source content). If PLII, it will still be in MUSIC mode... just hit the CINEMA button on the remote, and you back in Cinema mode. If the channel is sending DD, it will "automatically" switch to DD. Just remember, when you switch to another video source that is not DD, and PLII is "automatically" selected, you will have to change it from MUSIC to CINEMA.

What you might like better for digital cable music is 7/5 channel stereo. That adds less processing to the sound, yet still gives you separate sounds from all your speakers. It plays the center "in phase L/R" too - unlike PL mode's tendency to make the center a little more present than I prefer. That's even easier to select, too Just press the "DSP SIMULATION" button on the remote, until 7 or 5 channel (depending on if you have 5 or 7 speakers) stereo is displayed. Or, walk over to the AVR and press the 7/5 channel stereo button behind the front door.

Of course, if you have something like a Harmony remote, you can always just set up an "Activity" with your preferred settings in place, when you call it up. I've done that... in fact, I had to go find the manual to figure this out, because it's been so long since I used the (lousy) remote for the 2807. Harmony is definitely the way to go!

Thanks for the detailed directions. How do the Standard and Surround Parameter buttons fit into this? On page 27 of the manual it says to use them to select PLII Music or Cinema. It doesn't even mention the Music or Cinema buttons.

The STANDARD button toggles between PLII and DTS NEO. After pressing it, you can then use SURROUND PARAMETER button to switch modes.

I'm guessing it's just another way to get to the same place.

The manual sucks (I'm sure you've already figured that out ) While I haven't looked that hard to find it, I didn't see any mention of the MUSIC or CINEMA buttons on the remote, either. I think that's because they are not contained on the front panel controls/buttons, and may have been left out of the documentation. Who knows for sure???

The LFE is set to crossover @ 120hz and the other 5 speakers are set @ 80hz LFE + Main. Unless I'm mistaken this would enable the sub @ 120hz and below and the rest of the speakers would be full range down to 80hz then over to the sub.

Then why not just cross the sub at 80Hz and run the rest of the speakers as small?

hey you 2807 owners - looking back,

do you think you owuld've been severely dissapointed if you had settled for the 2307ci(887) - or are you confident the extra $ was well worth it?

Absolutely.

I looked at the 2307/887... briefly. The 2307/887 does not have Audyssey. That was a show stopper for me! Audyssey alone, is worth the extra money (and we're not talking a lot more money here... a few hundred, at list... prolly less at street prices). Adding in the AL24+ processing, a few extra WPC, better specs, and extra inputs.... yea. The difference between the two was a no brainer.

The real regret was, not getting the 3806 That has a few more other goodies, that *may* have been worth the extra couple hundred, over the 2807. AL24+ on all channels, the Denon link for SACD inputs, better DAC's, 2x the sample rate, etc.

But, as with anything... you can always look up the next rung of the ladder and say, "Gee for a few $$ more, I could get....". But, I have no regrets at all about the 2807. It is a GREAT AVR, and does everything I need/want it to do.

YMMV.

Im not really sure how this works... Ive went back and forth with the sub crossover and cant tell a difference either way. It may only work with speakers set to large?

I've just bought a 987, and have not even hooked it up yet, but I have a question about the remote. Comparing the Denon site's picture of the 987's remote to the picture of the 2807 remote, it appears that the 2807 remote has a lot more functionality (and a lot more buttons).

My question is, can one order a 2807 remote from Denon, and if so, will it control the 987?