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post #2521 of 4055
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Originally Posted by David Aiken View Post

If you press a button and the processing option associated with that button is available for the signal type you're viewing, then it will be processed in that way. If you have a Dolby Digital signal, then whether or not you can get PLII processing depends on the number of channels in the Dolby track. You can't apply PLII to a mono track (not enough info to process) or a 5.1 track (nothing to process for a different and obvious reason) but you can to stereo and 4 channel soundtracks, and probably to a 3 channel soundtrack if such a thing exists. Some 2 channel soundtracks are actually "dual mono" and you can get PLII processing for those tracks since they do have 2 tracks, but it will process it into a mono track.

To get back to the original track/processing if you're running 5.1, just press the "Standard" button. It's a bit trickier in a 6.1 or 7.1 system if you have it set to apply PLIIx/NEO6 processing as a matter of course because you have to go into the Surround Parameter options to turn the rear surround channel/s off to get back to the original 5.1 or less soundtack.

The 2807 does have a wide range of processing options but not all of them are available for all input signals. Check out the tables on pages 30-31 of the manual to see what you can and can't do. If a particular option is not available, it simply won't be offered. The only options you can bring up at any time are just those that are available for the signal sort that you have.

David Aiken

My system is 5.1 so I should not see any of the 6.1 or 7.1 options. If I am viewing a Dolby Digital 5.1 program and the 2807 display window says DOLBY DIGITAL, what happens if press the Music button or the 5 Channel Stereo Button? It's still a bit confusing and I want to find out what to expect before it happens by accident. I assume I can always get back to Dolby Digital by pressing the Standard button based on what you said. This receiver has a ton of options and it's easy to get lost by pressing buttons and not be able to get back to where you were.
post #2522 of 4055
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Originally Posted by BAMAVADER View Post

I have the 987 and love it. The above though I always thought Denon reversed it. DVDs sometimes have a DD EX flag instead of PLIIx flag or am I missing something? To me it seems it should be the other way around with AFDM than it is.

There is no PLIIx flag, only a DDEx flag. PLIIx is processing that the receiver does to make a 2.1, 4.1, 5.1 input into a 7.1 output. To avoid the problem where some DVD's do not tag the flag properly, keep your AFDM off and turn on PLIIx if you have a 6.1 or 7.1 system.
post #2523 of 4055
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Originally Posted by z_toth View Post

Ive had my 2807 since shortly after the release last year but admittedly, and shamefully, havent really gotten to know the workings of it due to my lack of home theatre knowledge. I mainly use it for home theater and gaming (80/20) ...

My question is simple to you more seasoned veterans ... what setting is best for watching movies in 5.1. Ive had in on Neo DTS 6.1 and realize that I dont have a sixth speaker but I dont know what other setting to put it on. I reviewed the chart in the manual and 95% of the settings were for 6.1 and 7.1 speaker set up.

So if I choose the 6.1 DTS setting does the receiver know I only have 5.1 speakers and adjust or am I missing something from the sound by doing this?

Please let me know, I wish to understand all of this but dont know where to start to gain a foundation of home theater knowledge ... maybe they have a Home Theater for Dummies book. As these forums tend to be above me, where do I gain the basics ...?


Thanks ahead of time.

Zsolt


Since you only have a 5.1 system and not a 6.1 or 7.1 system, just set your 2807 to auto and select either a DD or DTS track when watching a DVD. There is no need to use Neo 6 with a 5.1 system.

If you choose a DTS 6.1 track, if you ran the auto setup the 2807 will know what to do with the extra channel; it will be added to your surround speakers, no need to worry about it.
post #2524 of 4055
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Originally Posted by Kevin12586 View Post

There is no PLIIx flag, only a DDEx flag. PLIIx is processing that the receiver does to make a 2.1, 4.1, 5.1 input into a 7.1 output. To avoid the problem where some DVD's do not tag the flag properly, keep your AFDM off and turn on PLIIx if you have a 6.1 or 7.1 system.


Exactly, but in the Denon 987 manual they have it the other way around or at least it is written like that.
post #2525 of 4055
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Originally Posted by BAMAVADER View Post

Exactly, but in the Denon 987 manual they have it the other way around or at least it is written like that.

Hmmmm... I'll have to download the 987 manual tonight & have a look. On P27 of the 2807 manual, it's exactly as Kevin said - the flag is for DD-EX/DTS-EX6.1

Gotta love Denon manuals
post #2526 of 4055
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Originally Posted by nightlight View Post

My system is 5.1 so I should not see any of the 6.1 or 7.1 options. If I am viewing a Dolby Digital 5.1 program and the 2807 display window says DOLBY DIGITAL, what happens if press the Music button or the 5 Channel Stereo Button? It's still a bit confusing and I want to find out what to expect before it happens by accident. I assume I can always get back to Dolby Digital by pressing the Standard button based on what you said. This receiver has a ton of options and it's easy to get lost by pressing buttons and not be able to get back to where you were.

Press the Standard button. Voila... back to DD

The Music, 5ChStereo, etc... are just "shortcuts" to those other modes modes.
post #2527 of 4055
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Originally Posted by z_toth View Post

Please let me know, I wish to understand all of this but dont know where to start to gain a foundation of home theater knowledge ... maybe they have a Home Theater for Dummies book. As these forums tend to be above me, where do I gain the basics ...?

Thanks ahead of time.

Zsolt

What Kevin told you is spot on....

As for your HT for Dummies???? Ask & you shall receive... go here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824554

Grab a bottle of wine, and settle in... lotta good reading here
post #2528 of 4055
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

Hmmmm... I'll have to download the 987 manual tonight & have a look. On P27 of the 2807 manual, it's exactly as Kevin said - the flag is for DD-EX/DTS-EX6.1

Gotta love Denon manuals

Again, it probably was written right in their mind but the way it sounds to me is the problem. Maybe I'm the problem.

I know on the Onkyo and Yamaha receivers I have seen you set it to auto detect and it detects the DD EX flag. On the Denon when you do this it makes it come up DDPLIIx. Only when you turn it OFF, does it do DD EX, flag or not.

Backwards IMO.
post #2529 of 4055
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Originally Posted by BAMAVADER View Post

Again, it probably was written right in their mind but the way it sounds to me is the problem. Maybe I'm the problem.

It may well have been written right in Japanese. I think something was lost in the translationclarity. Other things may also have been lost in some places.

I'm waiting for someone to write the alternative manual for Denon products, like those alternative manuals for computer programs. There is a market.

David Aiken
post #2530 of 4055
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Originally Posted by BAMAVADER View Post

Again, it probably was written right in their mind but the way it sounds to me is the problem. Maybe I'm the problem.

I know on the Onkyo and Yamaha receivers I have seen you set it to auto detect and it detects the DD EX flag. On the Denon when you do this it makes it come up DDPLIIx. Only when you turn it OFF, does it do DD EX, flag or not.

Backwards IMO.

Yea, that makes sense. The flag implementation on Denon's must be RPN I have nothing else to compare to, other than my 2807. But, with the flag, it's gives PLIIx. Without, as you say, DD-EX.

So maybe the 987 manual is "er, ummm" written correctly, for what they are trying to indicate.

But, then again, it is actually detecting the DD-ex flag, it's just applying PLIIx when detected.

Argh.......... but, in any case we're all on the same page here
post #2531 of 4055
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

Press the Standard button. Voila... back to DD

The Music, 5ChStereo, etc... are just "shortcuts" to those other modes modes.

I tried this out and it works. Interestingly, when the input signal is Dolby Digital 5.1 the Cinema and Music buttons have no effect but you can set it to 5 Channel Stereo. Pressing the Standard button brings back Dolby Digital.
post #2532 of 4055
I'm trying to send DVI-D from my MacBook Pro to my inFocus 4805. Right now, I have a DVI-D to HDMI cable running from the laptop to my Denon 2807. The only output I have on the 2807 is RGB component cables to the inFocus. I am not seeing a picutre. Is it a matter of the right settings, or does the DRM handshaking required prevent the signal from being converted and sent out the RGB cables?

If so, what are my options? Can I get an HDMI to DVI cable to run from my 2807 to the inFocus? Thanks!
post #2533 of 4055
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Originally Posted by Kevin12586 View Post

Since you only have a 5.1 system and not a 6.1 or 7.1 system, just set your 2807 to auto and select either a DD or DTS track when watching a DVD. There is no need to use Neo 6 with a 5.1 system.

If you choose a DTS 6.1 track, if you ran the auto setup the 2807 will know what to do with the extra channel; it will be added to your surround speakers, no need to worry about it.


Auto is the way to go. I have to say that I have NEVER seen DTS displayed on my 2807. It's either DD of PLII. Is DTS that rare in DVD's or am I missing something.
post #2534 of 4055
Rombryo
Most Dvds you must choose the DTS soundfield in the setup screen on the DVD itself. There are not many DTS only DVDs. Usually the default sound is Dolby Digital or PCM stereo
post #2535 of 4055
Dolby PLII Music has three parameters that can be adjusted: Panorama, Dimension, and Center Width. How do you bring up the on-screen display for adjusting these options? Do changes improve the sound vs. the default settings?
post #2536 of 4055
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Originally Posted by Rombryo View Post

Auto is the way to go. I have to say that I have NEVER seen DTS displayed on my 2807. It's either DD of PLII. Is DTS that rare in DVD's or am I missing something.

More than a few DVDs have DTS soundtracks but players usually default to the Dolby Digital soundtrack. You have to manually select the DTS soundtrack if it is there, either in the disc's menu where it can usually be found under "Languages" or "Audio Setup" or the like, or by cycling through the available audio tracks using your player's remote control.

I don't think there are any discs with only a DTS soundtrack, there is always a Dolby soundtrack of some flavour. Dolby is part of the DVD standard, DTS is optional.

If you just stick the disc in the player and press 'Play", you'll probably never see DTS displayed on the 2807 (or on your player's display), and never hear a DTS soundtrack.

I don't think I've come across a disc with a DTS track where I preferred the Dolby soundtrack. Sometimes there isn't much difference, some times the DTS is markedly superior.
post #2537 of 4055
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Originally Posted by nightlight View Post

Dolby PLII Music has three parameters that can be adjusted: Panorama, Dimension, and Center Width. How do you bring up the on-screen display for adjusting these options? Do changes improve the sound vs. the default settings?

I've never seen them displayed on the fly with OSD. I've tried them all... IMHO, they do not add anything significant to the sound, and not useful.
post #2538 of 4055
Can anyone give me an idea how much can be gained if I went to something like the Denon AVR-3806?

-Todd...
post #2539 of 4055
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Originally Posted by tcorzett View Post

Can anyone give me an idea how much can be gained if I went to something like the Denon AVR-3806?

-Todd...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10733125
post #2540 of 4055
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Thanks!

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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

DDSC circuitry on 3806.
AL24+ on all channels on the 3806, only FL/FR on 2807.
Better DAC's (Burr Brown vs. Analog Devices) on 3806.

Are these things worth the extra $200? Would I be kicking myself down the road by not going with the 3806? The extra power and zone could be nice, but I don't really see it as being worth it for me.

-Todd...
post #2541 of 4055
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Originally Posted by Rod Martin View Post

If so, what are my options? Can I get an HDMI to DVI cable to run from my 2807 to the inFocus? Thanks!

If you sent a digital signal in your 2807 then you will only get a digital signal out.
(see page 14 and 15 of the manual)
so you will have to connect a HDMI/DVI cable to your infocus beamer.
post #2542 of 4055
Well, I have read all 85 pages of this thread and I have to say thank you to all who contributed. I picked up a 2807 last night and I am sure I will be back reading once I start to set it up.

I have a 5.1 set up and am totally confused about some of the connections/settings. For example, the discussion of large/small, LFE/LFE Main, and crossover has me totally baffled. But, I will be back reading the wonderful information in this thread.

Thanks again to all!
post #2543 of 4055
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Originally Posted by tcorzett View Post

Thanks!


Are these things worth the extra $200? Would I be kicking myself down the road by not going with the 3806? The extra power and zone could be nice, but I don't really see it as being worth it for me.

-Todd...


Todd,
J& R sells the 3806 for the same price as the 2807. Each has it's advantages. The 306 uses better DAC's, has more power and AL24 processing on all channels, the 2807 has better HDMI functionality.

Give Mike Ruski a call @ J & R 212 238 9000 X 2123
post #2544 of 4055
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Originally Posted by Rombryo View Post

Todd,
J& R sells the 3806 for the same price as the 2807. Each has it's advantages. The 306 uses better DAC's, has more power and AL24 processing on all channels, the 2807 has better HDMI functionality.

Give Mike Ruski a call @ J & R 212 238 9000 X 2123

Agree with the 3806 having better DAC's, more power (but not that you'll hear the extra 10 watts) and the AL24. In addition to that - the Denon Link connection is important, if you have or plan to use SACD's.

Not sure about the HDMI being *better* on the 2807, though?!?!?!? What do you base that information on? Everything I see says they are identical, in both number of inputs/outputs, and they appear to operate identical, too.

IMHO, if I could have purchased the 3806 for the same price as the 2807 (and I got a VERY good price on the 2807 - better than J&R), I'd would have done that. Is the extra $ worth it for the 3806 otherwise? Dunno... what's important to you?
post #2545 of 4055
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Originally Posted by Seeker2 View Post

Well, I have read all 85 pages of this thread and I have to say thank you to all who contributed. I picked up a 2807 last night and I am sure I will be back reading once I start to set it up.

I have a 5.1 set up and am totally confused about some of the connections/settings. For example, the discussion of large/small, LFE/LFE Main, and crossover has me totally baffled. But, I will be back reading the wonderful information in this thread.

Thanks again to all!

Congrat's on the new acquisition...

You'll get there... it is slightly complicated, but once you get going, you'll be fine. The manual sucks, but folks here will help get around that.

5.1 is not confusing.... cable it up, run Audyssey setup, and you will have a good point to start from. You may just like those settings enough to leave them alone. But, part of the fun is tweaking
post #2546 of 4055
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Originally Posted by tcorzett View Post

Thanks!


Are these things worth the extra $200? Would I be kicking myself down the road by not going with the 3806? The extra power and zone could be nice, but I don't really see it as being worth it for me.

-Todd...

Then save your $$$, and put it into speakers. That will make the single biggest improvement in audio quality.

Or, go get an HD-DVD player
post #2547 of 4055
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Originally Posted by Rombryo View Post

Todd,
J& R sells the 3806 for the same price as the 2807. Each has it's advantages. The 306 uses better DAC's, has more power and AL24 processing on all channels, the 2807 has better HDMI functionality.

Given the hassles of HDMI (with every device--cable boxes, anyone? ) I should have gone with the 3806.

I only use hdmi between my 2910 and 2807. I'm happy.

I might even try hdmi again with my Time Warner 8300HD. Yes, I'm a masochist.
post #2548 of 4055
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Originally Posted by mziegler View Post

Given the hassles of HDMI (with every device--cable boxes, anyone? ) I should have gone with the 3806.

I only use hdmi between my 2910 and 2807. I'm happy.

I might even try hdmi again with my Time Warner 8300HD. Yes, I'm a masochist.

I use HDMI to connect my Comcast Moto DC3416 to the 2807... no problems (Comcast pushed the new fw to fix the HDMI issues).

I use HDMI to connect my HD-A2 to the 2807... no problems.

I just wish the 2807 had 3 HDMI inputs, so that I could keep my Oppo in the configuration. I have to use component connections for that, and thus cannot output in 1080 from it. And, you don't even want to get into standalone HDMI switchers... talk about a can of worms there
post #2549 of 4055
Agreed. I also have no issues with HDMI (Comcast DCT3416, HTPC through a HDMI-DVI cable) and wish there were 1 or 2 more HDMI inputs.
post #2550 of 4055
I plugged a Toshiba HD-A2 into my 2807 via HDMI but it stays in Multi chan in .....Is this the way it should be? I would expect DTS or Dolby Digital. I cannot switch to anything other then the mult chan....
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