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post #2551 of 4049
6/10/07 at 2:34pm
That means that the 2807 is receiving a multi ch signal from the HD-A2. Basically the HD-A2 is doing the decoding. You probably have the "Digital Output HDMI" setting on the HD-A2 set to PCM. If that's the case, change it to Auto.

edit: That assumes you are talking about Dolby Digital and DTS and not Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD which would always be output in PCM.
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post #2552 of 4049
6/10/07 at 3:27pm
The Toshiba HD-As HDMI output is set to PCM. Still the 2807 gets a multi ch in signal. No DTS or Dolby option.
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post #2553 of 4049
6/10/07 at 3:28pm
oops it was set to Auto I set it to PCM with no difference.
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post #2554 of 4049
6/10/07 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by jdvanatta View Post

I plugged a Toshiba HD-A2 into my 2807 via HDMI but it stays in Multi chan in .....Is this the way it should be? I would expect DTS or Dolby Digital. I cannot switch to anything other then the mult chan....

Set A2 output to AUTO... the 2807 should receive the correct format. You can verify this by checking the front panel of the 2807. If DD coming through, the DD text will illuminate. If DTS, the DTS text will illuminate. It will come over in multi-channel, but the appropriate text should light up.
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post #2555 of 4049
6/10/07 at 4:17pm
PCM and Digital are lit up but nothing to indicate DTS or DD.
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post #2556 of 4049
6/10/07 at 4:24pm
PCM means the HD-A2 is sending multi channel. What are you playing in the HD-A2? Is it a disk that only has Dolby Digital and/or DTS on it or is it an HD DVD that only has Dolby Digital Plus, DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD?
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post #2557 of 4049
6/10/07 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by jdvanatta View Post

PCM and Digital are lit up but nothing to indicate DTS or DD.

Also, do you mean the full word "Digital" after the Dolby logo (above PCM) or do you mean "Dig." below PCM?
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post #2558 of 4049
6/10/07 at 5:46pm
You should see the "DD"icon with DIGITAL next to it.
Underneath it you should see DIG. in a box.
Next to it you should see Auto in a box.
Then it either say Dolby Digital or Dolby PLII Cinema across the bottom, depending on what's coming over... you can confirm # of channels by which channels are "lit up" on the left (under the Dig. in the box). L/R only will default to PLII, DD wil show 5+1 channels coming in.
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post #2559 of 4049
6/10/07 at 5:54pm
The DVD I have is Superman Returns but with HD DVD in and with it out just at menu the 2807 displays auto in a box, .dig, and PCM in a box. Then it just says multi chan in.
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post #2560 of 4049
6/10/07 at 7:39pm
I would assume that is the appropriate display as long as you can see Dolby Digital or DTS when you play standard DVD's with those formats.
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post #2561 of 4049
6/10/07 at 8:07pm
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Originally Posted by jdvanatta View Post

The DVD I have is Superman Returns but with HD DVD in and with it out just at menu the 2807 displays auto in a box, .dig, and PCM in a box. Then it just says multi chan in.

Correct.

When the "movie" is playing, the display(s) will change to reflect the audio contained in the movie. Superman Returns HD should be in Dolby TrueHD 5.1. This should light the Dig and/or PCM in box, Auto in box, and show all 5+1 channels having content input. The large display should read MultiChannel In.

If you play the same movie in SD, the main display, MultiChannel In, should be replaced with Dolby Digital, and you should see the DD logo with DIGITAL, dig in box, auto in box... but not PCM in box. You'll also see the 5+1 channel inputs lit.

So, if the movie is playing in HD, as you describe, you are getting the proper display indicators. Play a movie in SD, and you'll see the changes I described.
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post #2562 of 4049
6/11/07 at 3:38am
FWIW, I needed more HDMI inputs after I got the Toshiba HD-A2 cheap. I got a Monoprice HDMI 5x switcher and have had no problems with my Motorola cable box, PlayStation 3, or HD-A2. The A2 is a little finicky about being switched to after it's been playing a while but that's not really a common occurrence. I have the switcher going to the 2807 then on to my Optoma HD70 which is locked to the HDMI input.
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post #2563 of 4049
6/11/07 at 4:41am
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

Correct.

When the "movie" is playing, the display(s) will change to reflect the audio contained in the movie. Superman Returns HD should be in Dolby TrueHD 5.1. This should light the Dig and/or PCM in box, Auto in box, and show all 5+1 channels having content input. The large display should read MultiChannel In.

If you play the same movie in SD, the main display, MultiChannel In, should be replaced with Dolby Digital, and you should see the DD logo with DIGITAL, dig in box, auto in box... but not PCM in box. You'll also see the 5+1 channel inputs lit.

So, if the movie is playing in HD, as you describe, you are getting the proper display indicators. Play a movie in SD, and you'll see the changes I described.

Stevec325,

I just wanted to say what an excellent job you did in your description of 2807 audio field changes.

49Merc
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post #2564 of 4049
6/11/07 at 7:39am
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Stevec325,

I just wanted to say what an excellent job you did in your description of 2807 audio field changes.

49Merc

Thanks... I'm trying to give back the knowledge that I got from all you folks here. Y'all saved me a ton of time, and answered all my questions. That's one of the things I love about this forum.
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post #2565 of 4049
6/11/07 at 8:06am
Thanks for your help. When you set the A2 HDMI output to PCM you will always get the Multi Chan In as you described even in Standard Def. From an audio standpoint I'm not sure this is better or worse. I believe when sending the PCM the Toshiba HDA2 is decoding and in the case of standard def it's bitstream and the 2807 is decoding.
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post #2566 of 4049
6/11/07 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by jdvanatta View Post

Thanks for your help. When you set the A2 HDMI output to PCM you will always get the Multi Chan In as you described even in Standard Def. From an audio standpoint I'm not sure this is better or worse. I believe when sending the PCM the Toshiba HDA2 is decoding and in the case of standard def it's bitstream and the 2807 is decoding.

Correct, and that what the AUTO setting on the A2 is supposed to do. That's how I have mine set.
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post #2567 of 4049
6/11/07 at 8:13pm
Can anyone help me with what settings I need to make in my 987 to make the rears in my 7.1 setup stereo when applying PLIIx to a 5.1 signal? I am also unaware of a movie scene I can use to test that the rears are currently setup either as mono or stereo, that would help as well.

All help is appreciated
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post #2568 of 4049
6/11/07 at 11:55pm
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Can anyone help me with what settings I need to make in my 987 to make the rears in my 7.1 setup stereo when applying PLIIx to a 5.1 signal? I am also unaware of a movie scene I can use to test that the rears are currently setup either as mono or stereo, that would help as well.

Use the surround parameter button and set 'SB Ch Out' to the appropriate option. For 2 channel sources, set it to 'On'. You can also toggle this setting with the Surround Back button on the receiver. (page 26 of the 2807 manual).

Also look at the stuff about the AFDMAuto Flag Detection Modeon the next page in relation to 6.1 and 7.1 channel sources.

On a standard DVD, there are no 7.1 soundtracks, only 6.1 and the 2 back surround channels will be playing the same signal. Ditto for PLIIX and DTS Neo6 processing as far as I know.

As far as I know, you will need to go to HD discs to find a true 7 channel sound track which is not mono in the rear 2 channels.
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post #2569 of 4049
6/12/07 at 10:59am
"When playing an HD DVD in Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 or DolbyA TrueHD 5.1 and the 987 displays "Multi-Channel" ........are.............we hearing actual Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 or DolbyA TrueHD 5.1?
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post #2570 of 4049
6/12/07 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by 49Merc View Post

"When playing an HD DVD in Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 or DolbyA TrueHD 5.1 and the 987 displays "Multi-Channel" ........are.............we hearing actual Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 or DolbyA TrueHD 5.1?

Yes... it is being decoded in the player, and fed to the AVR in Multi-Channel.
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post #2571 of 4049
6/12/07 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

Yes... it is being decoded in the player, and fed to the AVR in Multi-Channel.


Thank you so very much. I wonder then what is the big deal with the ticker tape parade for the Onkyo 805?
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post #2572 of 4049
6/12/07 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by David Aiken View Post

Use the surround parameter button and set 'SB Ch Out' to the appropriate option. For 2 channel sources, set it to 'On'. You can also toggle this setting with the Surround Back button on the receiver. (page 26 of the 2807 manual).

Also look at the stuff about the AFDMAuto Flag Detection Modeon the next page in relation to 6.1 and 7.1 channel sources.

On a standard DVD, there are no 7.1 soundtracks, only 6.1 and the 2 back surround channels will be playing the same signal. Ditto for PLIIX and DTS Neo6 processing as far as I know.

As far as I know, you will need to go to HD discs to find a true 7 channel sound track which is not mono in the rear 2 channels.

That is how I curently have it, I just wanted to make sure I had it setup correctly.

I am aware of the AFDM, I was part of that conversation and I believe I helped a few people with my advice.

Just kidding David, thanks again.
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post #2573 of 4049
6/12/07 at 8:00pm
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Thank you so very much. I wonder then what is the big deal with the ticket tape parade for the Onkyo 805?

I don't know. it's a nice piece, but certainly not the "be all, end all". I looked at while AVR shopping. It has 3 HDMI inputs, which I would have liked to have. It has THX, which I would have liked to have, it has a few more WPC than my 2807, etc...

But, it sounds like sh*t. Typical Onkyo... Boring, bland, dull. No punch, no range, and at higher volume levels it's warmth is annoying. But, that's just me. I hate the sound of Yamaha's, too. The only thing worse than fingernails scraping down a chalkboard, is a Yamaha driving Klipsch speakers.

Sorry, don't mean to offend anyone. The opinions expressed are that of the writer, and not based on any scientific evidence or testing. We all like what we like. Please don't flame me
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post #2574 of 4049
6/13/07 at 2:31pm
Anyone know if the TrueHD/DVD-A/SACD being passed over HDMI as PCM would not output via the pre-amp output? I think this is my last "concern" before dropping the money on a 3806 or 2807.

thanks!
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post #2575 of 4049
6/13/07 at 2:47pm
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Originally Posted by IndieRockSteve View Post

Anyone know if the TrueHD/DVD-A/SACD being passed over HDMI as PCM would not output via the pre-amp output? I think this is my last "concern" before dropping the money on a 3806 or 2807.

thanks!

I do it on the 2807 no problem.
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post #2576 of 4049
6/13/07 at 3:54pm
I am ashamed to admit it but I am completely stumped so I really hope one of you can set me straight. I connected my Toshiba A1 to my 987 using 6 analog cables but cannot get the setting so that when played "MultiChannel" is displayed. Now when I play an HD-DVD in DD 5.1 the AVR says EXT IN! For the life of me I cannot find any software setting in the 987 for Multi-Channel.

If someone would be so kind and outline the correct audio settings for the A1 and 987 I will be most appreciative. Plus my wife is ready to strangle me (ha ha).

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post #2577 of 4049
6/13/07 at 4:39pm
Someone with a similar setup may be able to give a better answer, but I think you are seeing what you are supposed to see since you connected the A1 using the 987's Ext In inputs. I believe you'd have to be sending a PCM signal from the player to see Multi Channel.
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post #2578 of 4049
6/13/07 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by 49Merc View Post

I am ashamed to admit it but I am completely stumped so I really hope one of you can set me straight. I connected my Toshiba A1 to my 987 using 6 analog cables but cannot get the setting so that when played "MultiChannel" is displayed. Now when I play an HD-DVD in DD 5.1 the AVR says EXT IN! For the life of me I cannot find any software setting in the 987 for Multi-Channel.

If someone would be so kind and outline the correct audio settings for the A1 and 987 I will be most appreciative. Plus my wife is ready to strangle me (ha ha).


Not to worry... you are seeing what you should be seeing.

Multi Channel In is displayed for PCM and/or bitstream over HDMI. You are using "EXT IN", and that is what should be displayed. No matter what comes over that connection, you'll get EXT IN.

Tell the little woman to put down the lamp cord, and back away
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post #2579 of 4049
6/13/07 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by userb View Post

Someone with a similar setup may be able to give a better answer, but I think you are seeing what you are supposed to see since you connected the A1 using the 987's Ext In inputs. I believe you'd have to be sending a PCM signal from the player to see Multi Channel.

LOL... I hope you got there in time.
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post #2580 of 4049
6/13/07 at 7:37pm
..,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,stopped her coming down the stairs.......thanks guys! And, you know what makes this even worst is that my Sweetie actually suggested the the "EXT In" maybe the correcct setting.

me
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