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post #14821 of 31995
3/2/08 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by MarketingProf View Post

In general I agree, but I wanted BD then, not in the future so I sprung for the PS3. But honestly, even though I may eventually purchase a stand alone player, I will never give up my PS3--too many other features and advantages. And, I won't be buying a standalone BD player for some time--not at least until everything has setlled down. THe PS3 is good enough for me until there is a significant leap in performance that just won't let me sleep anymore.

I agree that the PS3 can definately get the job done. (And it has a bunch of cool add ons that make it unique.) I just wish that it could do everything on my list :-( In that respect Sony is pushing me to a SA box. At least I wont ahve to worry about the temptation of buying a game!
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post #14822 of 31995
3/2/08 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

And yes, firmware upgrades are a thing of today. No denying that, but it isn't specific to any one format or player. someday.

Brandon


Brandon you are absolutly right. i sold off my a2 some time ago and still get fw update discs in the mail.

fw upgrades is hardley a negative it is a great positive. this means that the player will become as future compliant as it possibly can become and unlike the older days when you had no option but to just suck it up and buy another player later.

i'm sure the ps3 will go to 2.0 and get dts-ma support i'm just pissed at how long it has already taken for dts-ma.

my bd-30 just got a fw update which really fixed a lot of items and made me happy.

do i miss my a35 and a2 the answer is a little (except for that cheap azz remote) but we need to have one format to move forward and personaly i always new b) was the winner which is why for the longest time i had my a2 for hd-dvd and for bd i just kept acquiring two ps3 units, a b10a and then the bd-30. my brother has givin shining reviews to the 1k denon unit which i may consider.

coinsidently i bought the a35, really liked it but then warner bailed so i sent it back while i had the oportunity for a full refund. shortly after i took the oportunity to liquidate everything i had in hd-dvd format.
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post #14823 of 31995
3/2/08 at 5:59pm
The upconversion in my PS3 sucks! I must have something wrong clicked in the setup. I have the latest FW as well but it is really bad.

What settings do I need to get the best upconversion for my PS3.

I have it running to my ONkyo 705 to the TV all via HDMI

Thanks for any help

Chris
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post #14824 of 31995
3/2/08 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by cklim55 View Post

I was perusing this thread but I haven't had time to read all 487 pages. My question is : Is it possible to use the PS3 as a BD player and SD DVD player using component connections and an optical cable to my Yamaha AV receiver? I haven't checked to see if the PS3 even has an optical output for sound. My current tv is a panny ED so it doesn't have any HDMI connection capabilities. It does have component inputs and my receiver has an optical input. It would be nice if I could use this type of connection. I'd buy a ps3 in a heartbeat.

YES! This is my situation too!
The next question is - will I be able to get a 1080i signal out of the ps3 through component and at least a 5.1 signal out of the audio optical cable when playing a blu-ray movie?? Help please!
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post #14825 of 31995
3/2/08 at 6:37pm
Yes and yes. The only thing you'll be missing is upconversion of SD discs through component. You'll only get 480p for those.
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post #14826 of 31995
3/2/08 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by zapper View Post

At the Sony site you will find that under the PS3 hardware you will find that the PS3 is no longer available for purchase 40GB, is their a new one coming out. Suppose to be getting one in the mail by Wednesday??

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665275947http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665275947

This product is no longer available for purchase.

yes because spiderman 3 pack was limited time only.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665374946

heres the new model with the system only.
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post #14827 of 31995
3/2/08 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by cappyxavs View Post

i'm sure the ps3 will go to 2.0 and get dts-ma support i'm just pissed at how long it has already taken for dts-ma.

I would be pissed off if I had the hardware chain necessary to take full advantage of it. That's why I've been so patient regarding DTS HD MA. But now the time has come and I'm getting impatient

Brandon
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post #14828 of 31995
3/2/08 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

yes because spiderman 3 pack was limited time only.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665374946

heres the new model with the system only.

It made it sound like the PS3 was out, not the software?
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post #14829 of 31995
3/2/08 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by KracsNZ View Post

Yes, but only decoded, not bitstream (pretty much obvious that the early version HDMI chip in the PS3 won't ever be able to do it) . Search through this forum, you'll find a post quoting DTS rep made recently where he states they're in the middle of developing a software decoder for the PS3 to do DTS-MA (and they're 'supposedly' getting pressure from Sony to 'get it done'. Yes we will be getting it, no I don't know when.


Does it really matter, if it converts it to PCM or if it is Bitstream? It is still going to sound the same, as long as the decoding is done correctly. My Preamp will do TruHD and DTS HDMA bitstream, but since I already have the PS3, I will wait for the DTS to come online. Or when we finally get everything in Bluray land finalized I will just buy another player, and move the PS3 to the bedroom.
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post #14830 of 31995
3/2/08 at 7:36pm
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Originally Posted by TRT View Post

Well.....I have only one thing to communicate: DENON The player and the transport. Spend a little money. Be proud to own a quality made machine and enjoy. I can hardly wait to see and hear what's next! More audio CODEC's? Twice the video resolution? Bring it on. I want to see and hear all of it. Our stay here on earth really is short.


Huh?

Why spend the extra money on the Denon, for a format that is not even finalized yet. As soon as you buy it, it is obsolete. Plus who is to say the Denon gets it right either?
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post #14831 of 31995
3/2/08 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

I would be pissed off if I had the hardware chain necessary to take full advantage of it. That's why I've been so patient regarding DTS HD MA. But now the time has come and I'm getting impatient

Brandon

i think we are all getting a bit p-od at this point. just seems as though sony has really dropped the ball on this one.

my brother bought and rejected the 1200 dollar es sony sa. he kept the 1k denon instead, simply the denon had a better pq and dts-ma
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post #14832 of 31995
3/2/08 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by dbacksfan51 View Post

Does it really matter, if it converts it to PCM or if it is Bitstream? It is still going to sound the same, as long as the decoding is done correctly. My Preamp will do TruHD and DTS HDMA bitstream, but since I already have the PS3, I will wait for the DTS to come online. Or when we finally get everything in Bluray land finalized I will just buy another player, and move the PS3 to the bedroom.

I love the PS3 but if it can't bitstream I am going to do the same and send mine to the bedroom and buy a BD50 for the family room.
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post #14833 of 31995
3/2/08 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by bori View Post

I love the PS3 but if it can't bitstream I am going to do the same and send mine to the bedroom and buy a BD50 for the family room.

*IF* Sony gets it right and your AVR doesn't have an LFE bug, PCM or bitstream will be identical. So why is it so important? Assuming you don't have a buggy AVR that is.
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post #14834 of 31995
3/2/08 at 7:54pm
I have a PS3 connected to a fairly old albeit nice Sony receiver that supports Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 optically. The other day I decided to put in Spiderman 3. I noticed the sound would drop out from time to time. It seemed to pick up more with the action scenes which may be coincidental. Anyway where I'm going with all this is I have been reading through this thread and...and I have my audio set to optical with DD 5.1 and DTS 5.1 along with the other PCM options. I was thinking the disks may be flawed, but I put in Black Hawk down and the sound drops out on it as well. Keep in mind I get a 5.1 indicator on my receiver that lets me know it's definitely coming in at 5.1. When I change it to PCM the sound doesn't drop out but it's not 5.1 anymore. Where my confusion lys is all the different audio tracks and what exactly the PS3 is supposed to do with them if you use Optical out. I assumed it converted the sound to a compatible 5.1 track type for my receiver for backwards compatibility. The reason I was thinking I had a few bad disks is that Hairspray plays fine and I just watched Across the Universe which played fine as well and the packaging says True HD on it as does Spiderman3, so that said any opinions would be appreciated as to whether it's bad disks or just the way it is because of limitations with the PS3.
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post #14835 of 31995
3/2/08 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by josborne1 View Post

I have a PS3 connected to a fairly old albeit nice Sony receiver that supports Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 optically. The other day I decided to put in Spiderman 3. I noticed the sound would drop out from time to time. It seemed to pick up more with the action scenes which may be coincidental. Anyway where I'm going with all this is I have been reading through this thread and...and I have my audio set to optical with DD 5.1 and DTS 5.1 along with the other PCM options. I was thinking the disks may be flawed, but I put in Black Hawk down and the sound drops out on it as well. Keep in mind I get a 5.1 indicator on my receiver that lets me know it's definitely coming in at 5.1. When I change it to PCM the sound doesn't drop out but it's not 5.1 anymore. Where my confusion lys is all the different audio tracks and what exactly the PS3 is supposed to do with them if you use Optical out. I assumed it converted the sound to a compatible 5.1 track type for my receiver for backwards compatibility. The reason I was thinking I had a few bad disks is that Hairspray plays fine and I just watched Across the Universe which played fine as well and the packaging says True HD on it as does Spiderman3, so that said any opinions would be appreciated as to whether it's bad disks or just the way it is because of limitations with the PS3.

Switch your PS3 to Bitstream, and it should take care of it. You will only be able to get Dolby Digital, or DTS through your optical cable. Tru HD, is only avaliable through the HDMI connection. This is when you would want to send it via PCM.
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post #14836 of 31995
3/2/08 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by dbacksfan51 View Post

Switch your PS3 to Bitstream, and it should take care of it. You will only be able to get Dolby Digital, or DTS through your optical cable. Tru HD, is only avaliable through the HDMI connection. This is when you would want to send it via PCM.

So to clarify...True HD should get converted to Dolby Digital or DTS? I already have Bitstream set. So if that's the case it sounds like bad disks?
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post #14837 of 31995
3/3/08 at 12:36am
Unlike on HD-DVD (which required internal decoding/transcoding support for TrueHD on all players), TrueHD always has a standard Dolby Digital track (usually 640k) piggy-backed onto it on Blu-ray. So if your only option is optical/coax, and you want the best 5.1 experience, always select a Dolby or DTS type track on a blu-ray disc. Stay away from the PCM tracks as you'll only get 2.0 sound (although on a few music titles you may find it sounds better).
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post #14838 of 31995
3/3/08 at 4:10am
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Originally Posted by grif32 View Post

The upconversion in my PS3 sucks! I must have something wrong clicked in the setup. I have the latest FW as well but it is really bad.

What settings do I need to get the best upconversion for my PS3.

I have it running to my ONkyo 705 to the TV all via HDMI

Thanks for any help

Chris

Anyone?
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post #14839 of 31995
3/3/08 at 5:50am
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Originally Posted by grif32 View Post

Anyone?

Settings for DVD should be:

Settings >> BD/DVD Settings >> DVD Upscaler = Normal

Also check that under BD/DVD Settings that the setting for Cinema Conversion = Automatic

Also I assume that you have set the PS3's output resolution correctly under:
Settings >> Video Output Settings >> HDMI >> Automatic

In some cases the automatic setting for HDMI resolution may not work correctly due to an inconsistent HDMI implementations in the TV and AV Receiver where the receiver is not passing the TV's resolution information correctly to the PS3, This can cause the PS3 to output at the other than the highest resolution that can be accepted by your HDTV. In that case you may need to manually select (using PS3's HDMI Custom setting option instead of Automatic) the output resolution that best matches your HDTV's native resolution.
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post #14840 of 31995
3/3/08 at 5:55am
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Originally Posted by Bronco70 View Post

Congrats,

The denon 2500 looks like another great product from that esteemed company. I owned a 5900. Built like a tank. Unfortunately the DVI output was a problem in many ways and forget HDCP compliance.

I also was interested in the new denon release. Seems it has no ability to update via Wi-Fi, that's a pass for me. Kind of cool the way that the PS3 does it, No?

I'm sure your kids with your help will update the FW. Best to you.

Joe

Joe, do you think CDs sound comparable on the PS3 and the 5900?
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post #14841 of 31995
3/3/08 at 6:06am
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Originally Posted by Lyle_JP View Post

Unlike on HD-DVD (which required internal decoding/transcoding support for TrueHD on all players), TrueHD always has a standard Dolby Digital track (usually 640k) piggy-backed onto it on Blu-ray. So if your only option is optical/coax, and you want the best 5.1 experience, always select a Dolby or DTS type track on a blu-ray disc. Stay away from the PCM tracks as you'll only get 2.0 sound (although on a few music titles you may find it sounds better).



Ok so it sounds as if I'm possibly having PS3 issues or I have a few bad disks because on all three Spiderman movies and Blackhawk Down I do get 5.1 playback through Optical, but it drops out when watching it. I have other Blu-Ray movies I haven't watched yet so these may not be the only ones, but I have had no issue with Hairspray, Across the Universe and Chicago playing back in 5.1 via optical. Has anyone out there had issues with the 5.1 tracks dropping out via optical?.....I tried a different optical cable and a different optical port on my receiver with no change in results. Just trying to figure out if I should exchange the movies or contact Sony before my PS3 is out of warranty. I would hate to buy a new receiver only to still have the issue.
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post #14842 of 31995
3/3/08 at 6:25am
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Originally Posted by josborne1 View Post

So to clarify...True HD should get converted to Dolby Digital or DTS? I already have Bitstream set. So if that's the case it sounds like bad disks?

I wonder if the higher bit rates are causing the problem. Perhaps the older receiver can't handle them.

The blu-ray disks have a higher bit rate for Dolby 5.1 and DTS. Where you would get 448K on a DVD you now get 640K for Dolby on a blu-ray -- but not all disks. Check the bit rate on the disk that works vs. the disk that doesn't. You can check this with the "status" or progress display, called "Display" (select key?)
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post #14843 of 31995
3/3/08 at 6:32am
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Originally Posted by grif32 View Post

Anyone?

Although in most cases the PS3 will do a better job of upscaling then the TV, you could also try turning the DVD Upscaler to OFF and see if your TV does a better job of it.

Settings >> BD/DVD Settings >> DVD Upscaler = Off
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post #14844 of 31995
3/3/08 at 6:33am
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Originally Posted by josborne1 View Post

Just trying to figure out if I should exchange the movies or contact Sony before my PS3 is out of warranty. I would hate to buy a new receiver only to still have the issue.

Definitetly contact Sony before your warranty expires, just to get on the record with the problem; even if it turns out to be an easy fix, you don't want to take a chance on letting them off the hook.

Do the problem movies exhibit the same symptoms in the same place in on the tracks every time? If so, I'd suspect disc problems. If it happens at random spots, I'd think it was more likely the PS3. And since you have more than a couple movies doing it, I'm guessing the PS3 is the culprit. If it was improper settings, it shouldn't work at all with any movie. First thing Sony's gonna tell you is make sure firmware is 2.10 and initlalize all settings back to factory defaults. You can do that while you wait your turn.

It seems most PS3s work very well for a long time, but problem units are not rare. (As you'll discover when you're waiting on hold for Sony support. )
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post #14845 of 31995
3/3/08 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by josborne1 View Post

Ok so it sounds as if I'm possibly having PS3 issues or I have a few bad disks because on all three Spiderman movies and Blackhawk Down I do get 5.1 playback through Optical, but it drops out when watching it. I have other Blu-Ray movies I haven't watched yet so these may not be the only ones, but I have had no issue with Hairspray, Across the Universe and Chicago playing back in 5.1 via optical. Has anyone out there had issues with the 5.1 tracks dropping out via optical?.....I tried a different optical cable and a different optical port on my receiver with no change in results. Just trying to figure out if I should exchange the movies or contact Sony before my PS3 is out of warranty. I would hate to buy a new receiver only to still have the issue.

You may have already stated this, but to clarify, do you have a Sony receiver? If the tracks in Spidey are DD, and you have a Sony receiver, connected to the PS3 via optical, and audio is randomly dropping out, I'll bet its your receiver. I've run into the same issue myself. Not sure what receivers it affects, and the drop out is random, but it only happens with DD tracks. DTS always worked fine, as well as LPCM.

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Ok, went back further into the post to find your original message and I see that you do indeed have a Sony receiver. I'll bet my left lug nut its your receiver. Try some movies with DTS tracks and see if they drop out. I had the same problem with some DD tracks on DVDs, but it seemed to be more prominent with BDs. This is from various DVD players (and the PS3 as a BD player).
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post #14846 of 31995
3/3/08 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by josborne1 View Post

Ok so it sounds as if I'm possibly having PS3 issues or I have a few bad disks because on all three Spiderman movies and Blackhawk Down I do get 5.1 playback through Optical, but it drops out when watching it. I have other Blu-Ray movies I haven't watched yet so these may not be the only ones, but I have had no issue with Hairspray, Across the Universe and Chicago playing back in 5.1 via optical. Has anyone out there had issues with the 5.1 tracks dropping out via optical?.....I tried a different optical cable and a different optical port on my receiver with no change in results. Just trying to figure out if I should exchange the movies or contact Sony before my PS3 is out of warranty. I would hate to buy a new receiver only to still have the issue.

I've experienced dropouts with SD DVD on my PS3. Not every disk though. So far I've only found one that drops out and one that doesn't (I need to experiement more). The dropouts seem to be random and occur frequently enough to make the movie unwatchable. I'm going optical to an Outlaw preamp. I'm set to bitstream.

Cary
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post #14847 of 31995
3/3/08 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by goretro77 View Post

YES! This is my situation too!
The next question is - will I be able to get a 1080i signal out of the ps3 through component and at least a 5.1 signal out of the audio optical cable when playing a blu-ray movie?? Help please!

DeiFan said: " Yes and yes. The only thing you'll be missing is upconversion of SD discs through component. You'll only get 480p for those."

But what concerns me is the Blu Ray movies with HDCP, the ps3 will not output in 1080i over component right?
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post #14848 of 31995
3/3/08 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by goretro77 View Post

DeiFan said: " Yes and yes. The only thing you'll be missing is upconversion of SD discs through component. You'll only get 480p for those."

But what concerns me is the Blu Ray movies with HDCP, the ps3 will not output in 1080i over component right?

1080i works great over component the only thing is 480p for SD which doesn't look that bad.
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post #14849 of 31995
3/3/08 at 9:53am
I am also new to the PS3 realm. I have a Toshiba A-2 and just this past weekend bought the 40gb playstation and noticed that my sourround sound was not working? I have the Onkyo SR-800 and 7.1 set-up and when I played the Spiderman disc i was only getting sound from my center and front/left front/right speakers? Is this a Playstation setting or an Onkyo setting?

Thanks in Advance!
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post #14850 of 31995
3/3/08 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by jcmccorm View Post

I've experienced dropouts with SD DVD on my PS3. Not every disk though. So far I've only found one that drops out and one that doesn't (I need to experiement more). The dropouts seem to be random and occur frequently enough to make the movie unwatchable. I'm going optical to an Outlaw preamp. I'm set to bitstream.

Cary

My AVS only has DD. I was hearing dropouts when my son was playing COD4. Since I only had front speakers installed, I changed the audio output to PCM 2.0 and the dropouts stopped. That was a bit strange. But since then I have entire movies in DD outputting DD 5.1 over Toslink and don't recall hearing any dropouts at all.

Larry
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