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post #14881 of 32083
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

what do you expect from workers that get paid minimum wage?? they do not get any on the work training. People expect to pay rock bottom prices for electronics and then shocked that employees don' know the products. Go to crutchfield, knowledgeable customer service but pretty much you pay for it.

I agree.... also, would I need to upgrade my HDMI cables to get the lossless audio? I have 3 original HDMI cables, presumably 1.1... I am going to connect the PS3 and the Tosh XA2 to the Onk 705
post #14882 of 32083
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Originally Posted by skablaw View Post

As a DVD-5910 owner, I can at least comment on the 5900's replacement. When using the analogue stereo or 5.1 connections with direct pass-through into a receiver or preamp, it is competitive with some of the finest dedicated CD players that money can buy. Analogue stereo out of the PS3 sounds like the line-out on a COBY MP3 player by comparison.

If you're utilizing audio via HDMI or S/PDIF, the sound will depend much more upon the quality of the receiver or preamp as it is this component that will be moving the signal out of the digital domain. In that scenario I can't imagine that it would be worth the expense of owning such a player only to use it as a transport. Yes, the drive and other components are superior, but the impact on the final signal would be much less significant.

I asked the question because for CDs I found the PS3 cannot produce as much the real low stuff when connected to my new Denon 5308 via HDMI (LPCM or Bit Stream) as the 5900 through optical. I sincerely hope it is not the 5308 causing the problem. For 5.1 stuff though, the two sounded very similar, strange.

BTW, my PS3 refused to recognize any discs starting Sunday. Called Sony, they said they will send a box for the return of my PS3 for a replacement. It can take weeks, the guy said. As of today I did not get any confirmation whether they have even sent the box yet.

When talking to the guy I had a feeling that this is not that uncommon. He just said that the non-functioning unit would be replaced and that is that.
post #14883 of 32083
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Originally Posted by leegeousa View Post

BTW, my PS3 refused to recognize any discs starting Sunday. Called Sony, they said they will send a box for the return of my PS3 for a replacement. It can take weeks, the guy said. As of today I did not get any confirmation whether they have even sent the box yet.

When talking to the guy I had a feeling that this is not that uncommon. He just said that the non-functioning unit would be replaced and that is that.

I had to do that too; they said it would take two weeks AFTER they saw the broken one....I was very PO'd that they were going to take so long. They wouldn't agree to ship the replacement before they received my bad unit, even though I was willing to pay to guarantee it. And the time you don't have a PS3 is counting against your warranty period too!

Anyway, the box took about a week to get here, but it came with prepaid overnight UPS back to Sony, and they shipped the same day they got mine so it was back to me in 3 days. At least that part went faster than I'd expected. And the replacement is working so far too. One thing; somebody HAS to be home to sign for it, so keep an eye on the tracking #. Good luck.
post #14884 of 32083
Josborne1, thanks for that thread link. As I have already posted, I have an old 30ES Sony receiver. Looks like time for a new receiver. Drats, that 30ES is one solid unit!
post #14885 of 32083
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Originally Posted by shabre View Post

I agree.... also, would I need to upgrade my HDMI cables to get the lossless audio? I have 3 original HDMI cables, presumably 1.1... I am going to connect the PS3 and the Tosh XA2 to the Onk 705

No, an hdmi cable for the most part is an hdmi cable. Unless you're doing an extremely long run (25+ ft), any cable you already have is sufficient.
post #14886 of 32083
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Originally Posted by nicholc2 View Post

No, an hdmi cable for the most part is an hdmi cable. Unless you're doing an extremely long run (25+ ft), any cable you already have is sufficient.


Thank you, that is what I thought but wanted to double check.
post #14887 of 32083
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Originally Posted by MarketingProf View Post

Do you have the PS3 set to Limited RGB?

At the moment, it's set to Y Cb Cr, super white on, but I've also tried RGB limited. Instead of black clipped shadow detail, it gives me gray clipped shadow detail. I adjust brightness and contrast, and the image ends up exactly like the Y Cb Cr, super white setting.
post #14888 of 32083
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

What setting is displayed for "BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI)"?

If it's set to RGB, change it to Auto and see if that helps.

If it's set to "Auto" change it to Y Pr/Cr Pb/Cb and see if that helps.

Also, make sure you calibrate each input independantly of the others. You mentioned that PC playback looks great using VGA. I don't mean to presume that you don't already know this, but I'm just making sure you calibrate the PS3's input separately from the others. It sounds from your post that you already did this, but I'm just making sure.

Brandon

I've tried all of those settings. I have calibrated for each input, thanks for checking. Does resetting the PS3 to factory defaults effect video output at all?
post #14889 of 32083
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Originally Posted by josborne1 View Post

OK...I figured out the Pattern...When Tru-HD tracks are pushed they are 640KBPS......non Tru-HD tracks are pushed at 450KBPS or less....so I confirmed that all three Spiderman Movies and Blackhawk Down playback at 640KBPS...the rest play fine at less than 450KBPS. So it's either an outdated Sony reciever...I have a Sony STR-DE985 which I'm thinking is the culprit....or the very unlikely chance the PS3 is screwing up the 640KBPS bitstream of the Tru-HD track. I will google my receiver and see what I come up with.

Per another helpful post:

"Yep, it's the older Sony receivers. I have a Sony DA-30ES receiver that's about 9 years old being fed via optical. The audio either dropouts or has severe "warbling" distortions because of the higher bit rate DD and DTS tracks. SD DVDs don't have this problem. Do a bit of Googling and you'll find multiple confirmations online. I've got a Yamaha V663 on preorder that should take care of the problem rather nicely."




Thanks again for every-one's input and suggestions on this.


I just watched Spiderman3 on my PS3 sent HDMI linear pcm to my Onkyo 705. I noticed on DolbytruHD it was reading 3.2 to 4.6 Mbps. I think I got 640Kbps when on Dolby digital. I'm not sure how you figured 640 Kbps for Truhd. I'm thinking your truhd tracks are getting downmixed to dolbydigital. Just wanted to let you know.
post #14890 of 32083
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Originally Posted by DevilDog151 View Post

I just watched Spiderman3 on my PS3 sent HDMI linear pcm to my Onkyo 705. I noticed on DolbytruHD it was reading 3.2 to 4.6 Mbps. I think I got 640Kbps when on Dolby digital. I'm not sure how you figured 640 Kbps for Truhd. I'm thinking your truhd tracks are getting downmixed to dolbydigital. Just wanted to let you know.

What are you guys using to figure out the bitrates? Computer program?

Is there a way for the reciever to show this or the player?
post #14891 of 32083
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Originally Posted by bgillyjcu View Post

What are you guys using to figure out the bitrates? Computer program?

Is there a way for the reciever to show this or the player?

Press the DISPLAY button on the PS3 remote. It shows it directly.
post #14892 of 32083
New to this forum/thread and I have a concern...

I just bought a new TV/reciever/PS3 and speakers...I have everything set up and working but I have 1 issue that is bothering me.

I have the PS3 connected to my Onkyo 605 via HDMI then I have HDMI going from the receiver to the TV and bare 12awg wire connected to my speakers.

Currently I have 3 speakers, Infinity P362 towers on each side and an Infinity PC350 center speaker. They sound magnificent!

My issue is that my receiver will only allow me to select Multichannel or Direct for listening modes. Whether I have a game, a blu-ray movie or just an audio CD in...I cannot even select "stereo" mode let alone any Dolby, DTS or Prologic modes.

Is this because my receiver knows that I only have 2 fronts and a center so it wont allow me to choose any other option? Or do I need to change something on the PS3 or receiver? Maybe I have a bad receiver? Bad PS3?

Need some help here!
post #14893 of 32083
aarDee

PS3 HDMI to a Tosh 42HL167 TV, then optical from TV to a Yamaha YSP-800 & Sound Bar Yamaha YST-100 Sub Woofer

Now in my PS3 sound menu settings I have the following
1. Digital Out (Optical)
2. Dolby Digital 5.1 ch
3. DTS 5.1 ch
4. Linear PCM 2 ch 44.1 Khz
5. Linear PCM 2 ch 48 Khz

I did get hooked up with optical as you advised, can you go into the linear PCM settings, Should they be unchecked or what. I'm getting good sound clarity etc. Problem is with the soundbar it's harder to discern difference in sounds as with a larger 5 or 7 individual surround speakers setup. Now as I said all is good I'm just trying to tweak everything to get the most that it can be out of my system. As I'm writing this the alien egg layer in AVP just woke up and has ice etc falling from head and body and definitely hearing sounds not heard before.
Thank You so much for previous reply.
post #14894 of 32083
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Originally Posted by DevilDog151 View Post

I just watched Spiderman3 on my PS3 sent HDMI linear pcm to my Onkyo 705. I noticed on DolbytruHD it was reading 3.2 to 4.6 Mbps. I think I got 640Kbps when on Dolby digital. I'm not sure how you figured 640 Kbps for Truhd. I'm thinking your truhd tracks are getting downmixed to dolbydigital. Just wanted to let you know.

No, they're not downmixed. It's a separate DD track grafted onto the TrueHD track. And it can be any bitrate. Most are 640k, but Across the Universe (just one example) has only a 448k DD track attached to the TrueHD. And there's also no exclusive relationship between 640k DD and TrueHD. There are plenty of blu-ray discs with no TrueHD track but which still have a 640k DD track (like most of the Paramount blu-rays).
post #14895 of 32083
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Originally Posted by Drewb50 View Post

At the moment, it's set to Y Cb Cr, super white on, but I've also tried RGB limited. Instead of black clipped shadow detail, it gives me gray clipped shadow detail. I adjust brightness and contrast, and the image ends up exactly like the Y Cb Cr, super white setting.

Since you said you have DVE, what does the pluge pattern (Title 12, Chapter 2) look like when you play the DVE disk in your PS3?

There are several reasons why you might not see the blacker-than-black (BTB) bar, even after turning up the display brightness, but if you can't even see the 2% and 4% black strips you have bigger problems.

RGB output on the PS3 with RGB full range (black = level 0, white = 255) should be avoided unless you know for sure your display can accept full range inputs, otherwise shadow detail will be clipped. But any other combination shouldn't be clipping anything above black (video level 16).

As far as I know the only mode in which the PS3 will pass BTB is YCbCr with Super-white enabled, so that's a good mode to start with.
post #14896 of 32083
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

........ But any other combination shouldn't be clipping anything below black (video level 16).

As far as I know the only mode in which the PS3 will pass BTB is YCbCr with Super-white enabled, so that's a good mode to start with.

I believe the first sentence quoted above is not quite correct since as you state in the final sentence only YCbCr with Super-white enabled will pass BTB. Specifically, neither "limited" nor "full" RGB modes will pass BTB. Also be aware that some HDTVs will not pass BTB via their HDMI inputs (with either YCbCr or RGB mode input).

Ron Jones
post #14897 of 32083
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Originally Posted by Drewb50 View Post

I've tried all of those settings. I have calibrated for each input, thanks for checking. Does resetting the PS3 to factory defaults effect video output at all?

It will effect your video output, and it's recommended you try that since all else seems to have failed, but the reality is you're just gonna go through the same process of trying the aforementioned settings and recalibrating.

As far as I know, most displays show the PS3 as passing BTB with SuperWhite: On, so this is either a compatibility issue with Y Pr/Cr Pb/Cb or the combination of PS3 and your display device.

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Originally Posted by DevilDog151 View Post

I just watched Spiderman3 on my PS3 sent HDMI linear pcm to my Onkyo 705. I noticed on DolbytruHD it was reading 3.2 to 4.6 Mbps. I think I got 640Kbps when on Dolby digital. I'm not sure how you figured 640 Kbps for Truhd. I'm thinking your truhd tracks are getting downmixed to dolbydigital. Just wanted to let you know.

Yes, he's only getting the legacy track, but I think in the context of his problem it's the 640Kbps that's causing an issue with his older receiver as opposed to the lower ~440Kbps bitrate that was on most standard DVDs.

Brandon
post #14898 of 32083
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Originally Posted by wvasko View Post

aarDee

PS3 HDMI to a Tosh 42HL167 TV, then optical from TV to a Yamaha YSP-800 & Sound Bar Yamaha YST-100 Sub Woofer

Now in my PS3 sound menu settings I have the following
1. Digital Out (Optical)
2. Dolby Digital 5.1 ch
3. DTS 5.1 ch
4. Linear PCM 2 ch 44.1 Khz
5. Linear PCM 2 ch 48 Khz

I did get hooked up with optical as you advised, can you go into the linear PCM settings, Should they be unchecked or what. I'm getting good sound clarity etc. Problem is with the soundbar it's harder to discern difference in sounds as with a larger 5 or 7 individual surround speakers setup. Now as I said all is good I'm just trying to tweak everything to get the most that it can be out of my system. As I'm writing this the alien egg layer in AVP just woke up and has ice etc falling from head and body and definitely hearing sounds not heard before.
Thank You so much for previous reply.

You can leave the Linear PCM 2 ch settings. They are used when playing a CD or mp3 (or other sound file). Optical can't do Multi-channel PCM but it can do 2 channel PCM.
post #14899 of 32083
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Originally Posted by davehancock View Post

Press the DISPLAY button on the PS3 remote. It shows it directly.

I'm not sure there is a display button on the remote, but I use the "select" button on the controller or remote for the display info.

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Originally Posted by Drex368 View Post

Currently I have 3 speakers, Infinity P362 towers on each side and an Infinity PC350 center speaker. They sound magnificent!

My issue is that my receiver will only allow me to select Multichannel or Direct for listening modes. Whether I have a game, a blu-ray movie or just an audio CD in...I cannot even select "stereo" mode let alone any Dolby, DTS or Prologic modes.

Is this because my receiver knows that I only have 2 fronts and a center so it wont allow me to choose any other option? Or do I need to change something on the PS3 or receiver? Maybe I have a bad receiver? Bad PS3?

Need some help here!

I'm not familiar with this receiver but it doesn't sound like either device is "bad", but rather that your receiver isn't allowing any post-processing of the audio signal based on what it's receiving. It could just be a limitation (not to be confused with problem) of the receiver or a setting that is wrong somewhere. Owners of that receiver may be better equipped to answer.

Brandon
post #14900 of 32083
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

I believe the first sentence quoted above is not quite correct since as you state in the final sentence only YCbCr with Super-white enabled will pass BTB. Specifically, neither "limited" nor "full" RGB modes will pass BTB. Also be aware that some HDTVs will not pass BTB via their HDMI inputs (with either YCbCr or RGB mode input).

Thanks, I meant "above black" and typed "below black"!! I fixed it.
post #14901 of 32083
Just one more day, for the PS3 from Sony.
post #14902 of 32083
Just received my 40gig PS3 last night and played around with it a bit, both with a Blu-Ray disc (Pirates of the Caribbean at World's End) and a little bit as a media player and game box (downloaded a demo from the PSN). Fabulous piece of hardware with a very polished feel to the whole thing.

HOWEVER . . . I have yet to figure out the all the myriad settings and options, especially for video - audio is easy: just optical to my Yamaha receiver (doesn't do HD audio or HDMI anyway) and enabled for DD and DTS. Video options seem a bit more confusing. I'm connected to my Samsung HL-S5688 via HDMI and have just accepted the defaults. Is there any particular setting I ought to consider trying out to see how it works?

Thanks in advance.
post #14903 of 32083
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Originally Posted by AarDee View Post

You can leave the Linear PCM 2 ch settings. They are used when playing a CD or mp3 (or other sound file). Optical can't do Multi-channel PCM but it can do 2 channel PCM.

That's great can't possibly ask for more, better sound, good explanation of what's left in settings and a very quick reply to my plea for help.
Thank You again
post #14904 of 32083
I'm still working through this too LameLefty.

I've go a Mits DLP (57733) using natural/low temp combo for TV setting.

Choices are:
RGB Full or limited? This appears to expand the color spectrum sent to the Display for certain content primarily Video Game etc...might have to "allow" for it in your sets settings.
(not sure if I need to with my set yet...)

Super White on or off? Same kinda concept but now allows for super white and blacker than blacks for certain content primarily DVD and BD again not sure if you have to "allow" for it in your sets settings.(not sure if I need to with my set yet...)


Does your set work with 1080P/24hz content check your manual/specs and if so just set to Automatic

Use all resolutions with custom setting or FORCE just one in particular or set to Automatic?

Do you have to change contrast/brightness setting between BluRay playback and Video Games as well as certain resolutions? (for example: with RGB full /Super White on and Ratchet and Clank displaying in 720p looks dark.....while I THOUGHT I had it fairly well set last night playing Lego Star Wars which output in 1080P.) Saw some talk of this in a Thread from May of last year re: Mits DLP does anyone know of a workaround?

General setting are:

Natural/low color temp
42 Contrast
29 Brightness
20 sharpness

all others default

Not calibrated.
Hope some of this helps...Any info or comments would be appreciated.
post #14905 of 32083
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Originally Posted by LameLefty View Post

Just received my 40gig PS3 last night and played around with it a bit, both with a Blu-Ray disc (Pirates of the Caribbean at World's End) and a little bit as a media player and game box (downloaded a demo from the PSN). Fabulous piece of hardware with a very polished feel to the whole thing.

HOWEVER . . . I have yet to figure out the all the myriad settings and options, especially for video - audio is easy: just optical to my Yamaha receiver (doesn't do HD audio or HDMI anyway) and enabled for DD and DTS. Video options seem a bit more confusing. I'm connected to my Samsung HL-S5688 via HDMI and have just accepted the defaults. Is there any particular setting I ought to consider trying out to see how it works?

Thanks in advance.

Try this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=979687

Brandon
post #14906 of 32083
If you use the sixaxis controller to watch blu-ray's, you probably know that R2 and L2 are fast forward and fast reverse. You probably also know that when paused, they do frame advance or reverse. But did you know that when paused, if you press and hold R2 or L2, you get slow forward or reverse? I didn't
post #14907 of 32083
Now that HD-DVD is officially dead I am considering getting a "future proof" PS3 "now" or possibly waiting for a profile 2.0 player this summer. Based on Toshiba's latest statements, my dream of a XA2 quality combo player has been shot down.

I currently have an A2 hooked up to my Bose system via optical, so my only other inputs are digital coax. (Yes, I know Bose sucks.) I'd rather not use an optial splitter because I don't want a manual switch. Does the PS3 have a digital coax out and if so what would it output? What about using the optical out and coverting it to digital coax? Remember, the best my Bose will except is DTS anyway.

Thanks for your help.
post #14908 of 32083
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Since you said you have DVE, what does the pluge pattern (Title 12, Chapter 2) look like when you play the DVE disk in your PS3?

I'll try that tonight. Thanks.
post #14909 of 32083
Hey everyone.

Just wanted to let you all know my PS3 died last night while watching Good Luck Chuck on Blu Ray. My optical drive crashed and now it won't read games or movies.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news ...
post #14910 of 32083
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Originally Posted by igotthatfire247 View Post

Hey everyone.

Just wanted to let you all know my PS3 died last night while watching Good Luck Chuck on Blu Ray. My optical drive crashed and now it won't read games or movies.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news ...

That is a bummer man.

But, it is the law of averages with moving parts and electronics. Some will ultimately fail...
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