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post #1501 of 32084
Picked up a PS3 yesterday and evaluating, but it sure seems to be a nice platform! Much better than my old JVC dVHS unit!

I let it "figure out" what res to use with the SXRD, and I think it came up as 720P, but I haven't verified what's actually being sent and received/upconverted. I'd think it would choose to send in 1080i rather than 720P, but not sure - it does look good though.
No problems over HDMI feed yet...
post #1502 of 32084
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Originally Posted by gnosys View Post

Picked up a PS3 yesterday and evaluating, but it sure seems to be a nice platform! Much better than my old JVC dVHS unit!

I let it "figure out" what res to use with the SXRD, and I think it came up as 720P, but I haven't verified what's actually being sent and received/upconverted. I'd think it would choose to send in 1080i rather than 720P, but not sure - it does look good though.
No problems over HDMI feed yet...

Your SXRD is 1080i or 1080p? I use the unit on my 42E2000 and 60A2000 and each time it correctly configures the 720p and 1080p setting when matching the unit to the television. You may need to manually go into the settings menu and select 1080i if for some reason it is not picking it up.
post #1503 of 32084
I just installed the latest firmware 1.30, could anyone explain which video output format is better? Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr or RGB?
BTW, I'm using a plasma TV.

And BTW, the Cross Color Reduction Filter option from firmware 1.10 only affects video output using regular AV cable right? Using HDMI won't be affected at all?
post #1504 of 32084
Hey guys,

OK, got the 20 gig PS3. Question. During 2 movies (one MPEG2, one AVC, one 25 gig, one 50), my PS3 frooze in the middle of the movie and just locked onto a still frame. If I press the "stop" button on the joystick I get the "really stop movie?" prompt but even after selecting "yes" the PS3 stays locked.

Only thing I can do is power it off and on again.... and then it won't repeat the problem and will play fine.

Has anyone else had something like this happen when playing BDs on their PS3?

Oh, just upgraded to 1.3 as well.
post #1505 of 32084
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet View Post

It should be obvious that the context of this downscaling-to-720p discussion has to do with native 1280 x 720 displays which have to downscale from 1080 anyway. The point to having the PS3 do the downscaling is that it would likely produce a better picture than feeding the 720p display 1080i and relying on its bob/weave deinterlacing and downscaling.

This is an oversimplification...

What should be happening is that you should CHOOSE what resolution the Sony outputs, that way if it doesn't output to the native resolution of the display at least the user can decide if their scaler/deinterlacer is superior to that of the PS3 (which MANY high end TVs will be)...still, it'll be interesting to see if Sony can somehow integrate this into a firmware update if its not already happening.
post #1506 of 32084
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Originally Posted by rrenaldi View Post

I just installed the latest firmware 1.30, could anyone explain which video output format is better? Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr or RGB?

Every display converts every non-RGB input to RGB in the end. Whether it is best done in the source or display varies by each combination. As a generalization, I think with most displays it turns out to be less common for YCbCr from a device to a display to be better than RGB to the display.

Bottom line, you should try both with your particular display and see which one looks best.
post #1507 of 32084
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet View Post

Has anyone else had something like this happen when playing BDs on their PS3?

Not I.
Congrats on your purchase.
B.T.W. I would have PMed you but, I can't say anything even privately.
post #1508 of 32084
is there an option for picture size modification.


i just put in MASH to watch a couple of eps but ps3 stretches to fill the screen.
this is watching thhrough hdmi.
i want to set it for normal so bars on the side and not stretched.
the tv mits 73831 wont allow for changing the size either.
post #1509 of 32084
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Originally Posted by John Haghighi View Post

What I am curious about is will the PS3 take the 16/48 audio track and convert it to 24/96 LPCM like the Toshiba HD DVD player does or does it remain in native format of the audio track?

In my experience thus far, the PS3 does not upsample PCM.

Chase
post #1510 of 32084
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet View Post

During 2 movies (one MPEG2, one AVC, one 25 gig, one 50), my PS3 froze in the middle of the movie and just locked onto a still frame. Has anyone else had something like this happen when playing BDs on their PS3?

Following the 1.3 update, I have experienced two playback glitches. The PS3 locked up in a manner similar to what you described four distinct times during The Fantastic Four (BD-25/MPEG-2/DTS-MA). It also refused to load The Fantastic Four twice and Kingdom of Heaven (BD-50/MPEG-2/DTS-MA) once, freezing on a gray screen prior to displaying the red "ATTENTION" screen. After manually ejecting and re-inserting the discs, they loaded normally.

Chase
post #1511 of 32084
Chase,

sounds like the same thing. One title that froze was 8 below on the other was Kingdom of Heaven.

It only has happened since my 1.3 update (though I had only had the player a few days prior to updating it).

Thanks.

Any more issues folks have noticed? Sounds like something that will hopefully get fixed with the *next* upgrade.

720P from BD PLEEEAAAZZZZZEEEE!!!!
post #1512 of 32084
Actually most 720p sets are 1366x768.

Whatever format you feed the TV it then has to rescale it to "768p" anyway. So it's pretty pointless to want the the PS3 scale it to 720p first, because then you are scaling it 2 times instead of just once.
post #1513 of 32084
Walk,

firstly, most DLP-based 720P front and rear-projection units are really 1280 x 720. It's true that some flat-panel displays may have 1366 x 768 resolution.

HOWEVER,

even so there is the distinct advantage of increased vertical resolution in the PS3's own 720P output due to direct downconversion from the 1080p source rather than relying on the sets own "bobbing" deinterlacing which basically takes the 1080i, interprets it as 540P, and then upscales to 720P or 768.

That's been stated repeatedly and it makes a big difference in apparent clarity of the image. It's why 720P output is important to me, and why it would even benefit owners of 768P displays.
post #1514 of 32084
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet View Post

It only has happened since my 1.3 update (though I only had the player a few days prior to updating it).

The half-a-dozen or so BD titles I tried prior to the 1.3 update all played flawlessly.

Chase
post #1515 of 32084
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Originally Posted by home_theatre_man View Post

Following the 1.3 update, I have experienced two playback glitches. The PS3 locked up in a manner similar to what you described four distinct times during The Fantastic Four (BD-25/MPEG-2/DTS-MA). It also refused to load The Fantastic Four twice and Kingdom of Heaven (BD-50/MPEG-2/DTS-MA) once, freezing on a gray screen prior to displaying the red "ATTENTION" screen. After manually ejecting and re-inserting the discs, they loaded normally.

Chase

I have had a similar problem with Phantom, no freeze prior to the 1.3 update, and couldn't get the freeze to repeat itself
post #1516 of 32084
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Originally Posted by home_theatre_man View Post

In my experience thus far, the PS3 does not upsample PCM.

Chase

I like that the PS3 shows the audio and video information on the screen when you request it.

I just wished it showed the bit rate of the audio.

It shows 48Hz on most of the movies i'm watching but is it 16 or 24 bit?

Also, I haven't seen any 96Hz audio but I have learned that most movies are 48Hz.

Now, does 16/48 mean that it's 16bit/48Hz audio and 24/96 mean that it's 24bit/96Hz audio?

If that's the case, can 16bit audio ever be 96Hz or does it have to be 24bit for it to be 96Hz?

Also, why does 2 Channel PCM go as high up as 192kHz and not 5.1 or 7.1?

Thank You
post #1517 of 32084
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It shows 48Hz on most of the movies i'm watching but is it 16 or 24 bit?

In most cases, it is 16-bit. All but a handful of Blu-ray titles with LPCM use 16/48 due to capacity constraints.

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Now, does 16/48 mean that it's 16bit/48Hz audio and 24/96 mean that it's 24bit/96Hz audio?

Yes, but all modern films are mastered with 24/48 audio. The master is only downconverted to 16/48 fidelity to save space and bandwidth.

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If that's the case, can 16bit audio ever be 96Hz or does it have to be 24bit for it to be 96Hz?

You will never see 16/96 material. There is a small but noticeable improvement from 16/48 to 20/48 provided you have a quality setup; beyond 20/48, it is very difficult to tell the difference within the typical home theater environment, regardless of your equipment.
post #1518 of 32084
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

In most cases, it is 16-bit. All but a handful of Blu-ray titles with LPCM use 16/48 due to capacity constraints.

Yes, but all modern films are mastered with 24/48 audio. The master is only downconverted to 16/48 fidelity to save space and bandwidth.

You will never see 16/96 material. There is a small but noticeable improvement from 16/48 to 20/48 provided you have a quality setup; beyond 20/48, it is very difficult to tell the difference within the typical home theater environment, regardless of your equipment.

Cool, thank you for explaining this stuff with very easy to understand answers.
post #1519 of 32084
Occasionally I get audio dropouts or "pops" in the sound via HDMI. Has anyone else experienced this?

Dan
post #1520 of 32084
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Occasionally I get audio dropouts or "pops" in the sound via HDMI. Has anyone else experienced this?

Dan

For the first time, today while watching Superman 2 (Bluray) on PS3 via HDMI going into my Onkyo 674 and then from Onkyo to my Plasma via HDMI-DVI (Plasma has DVI only) the screen went black and no audio for like 5-10 seconds and then it returned.

Don't know if it was the PS3 or Onkyo that caused it.

Hasn't happened again.
post #1521 of 32084
JyE 4Ever,

The HDMI dropouts are a known issue with the Onkyo 674. See the Receivers and Amps forum for more discussion on the issue.
post #1522 of 32084
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Originally Posted by home_theatre_man View Post

Following the 1.3 update, I have experienced two playback glitches. The PS3 locked up in a manner similar to what you described four distinct times during The Fantastic Four (BD-25/MPEG-2/DTS-MA). It also refused to load The Fantastic Four twice and Kingdom of Heaven (BD-50/MPEG-2/DTS-MA) once, freezing on a gray screen prior to displaying the red "ATTENTION" screen. After manually ejecting and re-inserting the discs, they loaded normally.

Chase

Just watched Kingdom of Heaven last night. No freezes...no technical difficulties at all. My PS3 is sitting on the second shelf of my TV Stand. The stand is open all around so no heat build up at all.

BTW...my system has the 1.3 update.
post #1523 of 32084
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

JyE 4Ever,

The HDMI dropouts are a known issue with the Onkyo 674. See the Receivers and Amps forum for more discussion on the issue.

Thank You for that feedback.

I was worried that it was the PS3 because the night before I had accidently left it on for 9hrs straight, I thought I screwed something up.

They're right about the Onkyo because sometimes when I switch from a movie back to the PS3 XMB I have no audio. I have to switch from one component to another on my Onkyo remote for the sudio to return on my PS3 (connected via HDMI).

Ughhh, I'm changing my hobby back to riding motorcycles at high rates of speed, much less stressfull than High Definition.
post #1524 of 32084
Visited about 6 or 7 stores over the last three days that had the Ps3 on display, hooked up to a TV that was turned off. In each case I asked about it and they said the units were non-working. Mockups. None of the stores had any idea when they would get the real thing.

Is there any word out there on when we will see more of these actually released and not just one here or one there?
post #1525 of 32084
I got mine last week.

They seem to be trickling in and Best Buy seems to be getting most of them. Or Wal Mart too.

You just got to keep checking, hoping to catch them right after a shipment.

You can try 1-888-BEST-BUY.
post #1526 of 32084
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

Is there any word out there on when we will see more of these actually released and not just one here or one there?

It'll continue to be one here and there into 2007. Based on their shipment projections I'd guess it'd be March or April before these things start appearing in bunches that you can walk in and see 20 sitting on a shelf.

Wife found mine by seeing the UPS truck at Best Buy and stopping off. She had just missed them at 2 other stores (walmart/best buy) the previous week.

So they're coming in pretty consistently, just in small numbers and they don't last long.
post #1527 of 32084
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

Visited about 6 or 7 stores over the last three days that had the Ps3 on display, hooked up to a TV that was turned off. In each case I asked about it and they said the units were non-working. Mockups. None of the stores had any idea when they would get the real thing.

Is there any word out there on when we will see more of these actually released and not just one here or one there?

Hmmm... I was wondering about this too. In the best buy near here, the 1st 2 weeks the PS2 was released they had a display all set up and everyone was playing games on the ps3 with that demo-disk. I recently went back there and noticed that the T.V.'s were now off. I doubt that they are just sending mock up displays to be put out there, I have never heard of this, though this could be true. All the stores that were recently displaying them now have all the TVs shut off, thats a little odd.

I got my PS3 by sheer luck. I walked into Block Buster to rent Davinci code, and just asked (I know you guys don't, but do you guys even order PS3's?" The guy bent under the counter and pulled out the only PS3 they had. They said they had it for a couple of days but since no one goes in there to buy PS3's they just had it sitting around. I was the 1st and only one to ask, and I did receive .
post #1528 of 32084
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Originally Posted by bbodin View Post

It'll continue to be one here and there into 2007. Based on their shipment projections I'd guess it'd be March or April before these things start appearing in bunches that you can walk in and see 20 sitting on a shelf.

Wife found mine by seeing the UPS truck at Best Buy and stopping off. She had just missed them at 2 other stores (walmart/best buy) the previous week.

So they're coming in pretty consistently, just in small numbers and they don't last long.

The thing is we're not doing it, so we don't really have to worry about if "they" just have to flip the switch or not, its their job to dig into all this technical jargon and decide whether it would bring more income by adding extra features so people will be more willing to buy it. Sometimes they do it, sometimes they don't, like on all other electronics.
post #1529 of 32084
my son walked into a Best Buy here in NoVA (Dulles) to buy an ipod cover, and walked out with a PS3. They received 38 last Wednesday (unannounced), and were gone in a couple hours (the last 7 in 10 minutes while my son was there). Had a big bouncer standing guard over them.

I've only seen one BD on it (Talledega) and was not very impressed with the color/texture. I do hope to screen more titles to fully test it's abilities. R:FOM is awesome I must add.
post #1530 of 32084
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Originally Posted by whotony View Post

is there an option for picture size modification.


i just put in MASH to watch a couple of eps but ps3 stretches to fill the screen.
this is watching thhrough hdmi.
i want to set it for normal so bars on the side and not stretched.
the tv mits 73831 wont allow for changing the size either.

Can anyone comment on this?

I'm an OAR religionist when it comes to my own display and am looking forward to things like CASABLANCA on BD.

ted
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