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post #17161 of 31995
4/20/08 at 1:22pm
What audio mode should I set on the PS3 for Digital Optical into a Sony STR-V333ES?

I'm not sure what audio mode makes the blue light on the front of the receiver come on but while playing Blu-Ray the light is off. I'm not sure what audio settings I should use on the PS3.

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post #17162 of 31995
4/20/08 at 1:57pm
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I recently purchased a PS3 primarily for Blu Ray movie watching...Couple of quick questions - 1) I have looked and can't seem to find this functionality - Does the PS3 allow you to "goto" specific times in a movie i.e. enter 01:30:25 to get to that spot in the movie? 2) Had a couple of odd experiences during playback - the TV went blank seemed to shut off - then turn back on again momentarily and then continue on where the movie left off - anyone else experience this and figure out what was going on? My TV is the Samsung 46" 650.

Look for the menu item that looks like an arrow leaning to the right
The Samsungs have HDMI issues. Are you using HDMI?
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post #17163 of 31995
4/20/08 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by P7M8 View Post

What audio mode should I set on the PS3 for Digital Optical into a Sony STR-V333ES?

I'm not sure what audio mode makes the blue light on the front of the receiver come on but while playing Blu-Ray the light is off. I'm not sure what audio settings I should use on the PS3.

Thanks

V333ES - older non HDMI receiver right?

You have to use Bitstream (over Toslink) for all audio formats. Select Bitstream for all options on the PS3 audio menu.
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post #17164 of 31995
4/20/08 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

V333ES - older non HDMI receiver right?

You have to use Bitstream (over Toslink) for all audio formats. Select Bitstream for all options on the PS3 audio menu.


Yes. That works. Thanks!
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post #17165 of 31995
4/20/08 at 2:26pm
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Originally Posted by cappyxavs View Post

it is complications such as this that send the older generation into hiding from the HD change.

My father in law finally got a hd tv however he will not bother with a surround unit or b) player. he is looking into a hd upgrade with his cable company. it is mostly fear of technology and comfort with a known working method that will dictate his buying preferences.


Hmmmmmmmmmm

Getting a little age-ist here, I think. I assume I'm in the older generation since I'm 60 and I just bought a PS3 as a BD movie player. I also finally moved into surround sound a little under 2 years ago.

In my experience, both surround sound and HD video are much more involved and complicated to come to grips with than stereo and standard def TV ever were. There's certainly a lot more to consider when it comes to getting decent sound out of 6 or 7 or 8 channels than from 2, and getting good video performance also takes a bit of effort before you learn how to do it well. Part of the problem, however, relates simply to incredibly bad explanations in manuals, and I think nearly all AV gear is prone to this.

In fact nearly everyone seems to have problems. Take a look at the number of people raising issues on boards like this, and they aren't all from the older generation. I suspect most are not from the older generation.

I wonder how much of the issue is "fear of technology" and how much stems from a decision to give up on trying to use products that come with manuals that don't explain anything at all and require you to go hunting on line to find the information you want, or which come with manuals that tell you what all of the controls do but don't tell you when you would want to use a given control and when you wouldn't, and which fail to approach the use of the product from a basic "if you want to get this result, these are the steps to take" approach. Many of the on-line manuals suffer from these problems also.

It makes sense to ask very seriously whether the reason there aren't so many questions asked here and elsewhere is because the answers to the questions which people are really concerned about simply aren't easily and clearly available in the user information supplied with the product. After a while, and a few products, you start to know enough to be able to puzzle it out for yourself but it seems to me that the learning curve for newbies is overly demanding regardless of their age and the reason for that is simply incredibly poor quality manuals in many cases, including the PS3 to some degree.
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post #17166 of 31995
4/20/08 at 2:54pm
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Hmmmmmmmmmm…

Getting a little age-ist here, I think. I assume I'm in the older generation since I'm 60 and I just bought a PS3 as a BD movie player. I also finally moved into surround sound a little under 2 years ago.

In my experience, both surround sound and HD video are much more involved and complicated to come to grips with than stereo and standard def TV ever were. There's certainly a lot more to consider when it comes to getting decent sound out of 6 or 7 or 8 channels than from 2, and getting good video performance also takes a bit of effort before you learn how to do it well. Part of the problem, however, relates simply to incredibly bad explanations in manuals, and I think nearly all AV gear is prone to this.

In fact nearly everyone seems to have problems. Take a look at the number of people raising issues on boards like this, and they aren't all from the older generation. I suspect most are not from the older generation.

I wonder how much of the issue is "fear of technology" and how much stems from a decision to give up on trying to use products that come with manuals that don't explain anything at all and require you to go hunting on line to find the information you want, or which come with manuals that tell you what all of the controls do but don't tell you when you would want to use a given control and when you wouldn't, and which fail to approach the use of the product from a basic "if you want to get this result, these are the steps to take" approach. Many of the on-line manuals suffer from these problems also.

It makes sense to ask very seriously whether the reason there aren't so many questions asked here and elsewhere is because the answers to the questions which people are really concerned about simply aren't easily and clearly available in the user information supplied with the product. After a while, and a few products, you start to know enough to be able to puzzle it out for yourself but it seems to me that the learning curve for newbies is overly demanding regardless of their age and the reason for that is simply incredibly poor quality manuals in many cases, including the PS3 to some degree.

Actualy it comes down to simplicity,
My father in law..
37" LG lcd HDTV
vhs
digital cable
dvd player (non progressive, non up converting)

my father:
27" sony crt tv
analog cable
that's it... that's all there will ever be.

my uncle:
big screen tv (not sure of size)
multi amp surround sound
directv hd

is it all age related.. no
does it have something to do with a past generation that does not require, want, need or care about what's changing?.. absolutly.
are some an exception?.. absolutly
is it the majority.. NO
who is it?.. the percentage of that generation that does not fear change but embraces it with a want to learn and be a part of something new. a no fear part of the older gen.

i my self am 43 and love new tech and want to learn and adapt to all that is new i just have a love for it and have loved it since i was 12 or so sticking a headphone plug into our old philco ford tv modifying it and trying to make that new MTV play over the stereo in Mono while my parents said "what are you crazy?" or it could have been when i was 8-10 making my jvc rc838jw2 into something it was never ment to be

is it age.. NO
is it fear.. possibly

i see a lot of younger gen not wanting nor caring about technology and that's fine but for me it's always been a hoby.

it's not a fear of the instruction manual it's a fear of the unknown and a "no need or want for it mentality"
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post #17167 of 31995
4/20/08 at 5:20pm
Yes PS3 is connected via HDMI. Is this going to be an ongoing issue?
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post #17168 of 31995
4/20/08 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by cappyxavs View Post

Actualy it comes down to simplicity,



it's not a fear of the instruction manual it's a fear of the unknown and a "no need or want for it mentality"

Simplicity is definitely a virtue and a lot of this stuff should be simpler, at the very least simpler to understand and, preferably, also simpler to use. I don't think that's an unreasonable or impossible ask.

As for the "no need or want for it mentality", I think we're all prone to that. There's no reason to need or want something if you don't or can't perceive it offering you some benefit. I actually think you have to try some things first before you can appreciate them. I was that way with surround sound after nearly 40 years of running stereo only. I had a 7.1 channel Denon AVR that I purchased for HDMI switching and the Audyssey room EQ function running with 2 main speakers and a sub and one day I hooked up a spare pair of very old speakers for surrounds just as a joke over Christmas 15 months ago, expecting to be left thinking after a few hours that surround was just a gimmick. The day after New Year I was at the shop buying a matching pair of speakers to the front speakers for use as surrounds and following that up shortly by a centre speaker as well, and then expanding to 6.1. I had no use or need for surround sound until I actually spent some time listening to it on my own and in my own room.

The combination of exposure and simplicity would change an awful lot of minds.
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post #17169 of 31995
4/20/08 at 6:26pm
I believe the PS3 is the epitome of simplicity. Right out of the box it does what it's supposed to. A couple of settings might make it work for you even better. That's it, done. The functonality is amazing, all for an incredibly low price.

Even my older Mother, who 20 years ago was the poster child for a VCR with the perpetual 12:00 flashing, could use the PS3 to watch movies without getting confused.
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post #17170 of 31995
4/20/08 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by David Aiken View Post

Simplicity is definitely a virtue and a lot of this stuff should be simpler, at the very least simpler to understand and, preferably, also simpler to use. I don't think that's an unreasonable or impossible ask.

As for the "no need or want for it mentality", I think we're all prone to that. There's no reason to need or want something if you don't or can't perceive it offering you some benefit. I actually think you have to try some things first before you can appreciate them. I was that way with surround sound after nearly 40 years of running stereo only. I had a 7.1 channel Denon AVR that I purchased for HDMI switching and the Audyssey room EQ function running with 2 main speakers and a sub and one day I hooked up a spare pair of very old speakers for surrounds just as a joke over Christmas 15 months ago, expecting to be left thinking after a few hours that surround was just a gimmick. The day after New Year I was at the shop buying a matching pair of speakers to the front speakers for use as surrounds and following that up shortly by a centre speaker as well, and then expanding to 6.1. I had no use or need for surround sound until I actually spent some time listening to it on my own and in my own room.

The combination of exposure and simplicity would change an awful lot of minds.

ahhhhh you got the fever
i got this last year. it started with a a2 and i added it to my yammy 2095. from there i got the panny 58" plasma then the b10a followed by the onkyo 805 then i traded up my b10a for a bd30 and traded up my infinity rs5 series speakers i had for 10 years for new beta50, 360 which i could bi-amp with the 805 followed by a nice down-stuffed leather sofa, pair of ottomans and char and a half..... from what started as adding one next gen component turned into a whole HT makeover
when i added the bd10 i immediatly knew the winning format would be B) from there i added the two ps3 units to our home office HDTVS.

there is one small part of the equasion we did not mention yet..

it not only is the fear of complex technology it is more importantly the lack of care... in other words my parents and father in law simply don't care..
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post #17171 of 31995
4/21/08 at 6:17am
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it not only is the fear of complex technology it is more importantly the lack of care... in other words my parents and father in law simply don't care..

I am approaching 71. I love it! Far too many Heathkits. I suspect a number of "US" rather enjoy the challenge of gettin' it to work!
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post #17172 of 31995
4/21/08 at 8:11am
i know that the ps3 is great for blu ray but how is as an upconverter? i've got quite a few dvds that aren't out on br yet.

i've heard reviews that it's "soft." i'm not sure what that means but the tone didn't sound so please with it. course this may have been correctd or improved with fw along the way...

thanks!
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post #17173 of 31995
4/21/08 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by roguedog View Post

i know that the ps3 is great for blu ray but how is as an upconverter? i've got quite a few dvds that aren't out on br yet.

i've heard reviews that it's "soft." i'm not sure what that means but the tone didn't sound so please with it. course this may have been correctd or improved with fw along the way...

thanks!

All upconversion is intrinsically "soft." When you interpolate image data (that it, fabricate it based on the adjacent pixels), softness is the inevitable result. The larger the screen, the easier it is to notice the inadequacies of any upconversion.

The PS3 is a very good upconverter. The only ones I've seen that were better were considerably more expensive.
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post #17174 of 31995
4/21/08 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by roguedog View Post

i know that the ps3 is great for blu ray but how is as an upconverter? i've got quite a few dvds that aren't out on br yet.

i've heard reviews that it's "soft." i'm not sure what that means but the tone didn't sound so please with it. course this may have been correctd or improved with fw along the way...

The PS3 is a good upconverter, however the upscaling algorithm was clearly changed in the 2.2 FW update. Some of us think it was a step backwards because the result seems to be softer than it was before (there's less noise but also less detail in faces etc.). Others think it is an improvement, but perhaps they value noise reduction more than detail (or they may be watching on smaller screens).

That's the problem with doing everything in software and not having the ability to go back to a previous firmware version --- Sony can give us new features and they can also take things away. The new upscaling has reduced the processor load, but they may have done this by using a simpler algorithm rather than just by optimizing the code.
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post #17175 of 31995
4/21/08 at 10:01am
[quote=kriktsemaj99;13692971]The PS3 is a good upconverter, however the upscaling algorithm was clearly changed in the 2.2 FW update. Some of us think it was a step backwards because the result seems to be softer than it was before (there's less noise but also less detail in faces etc.). Others think it is an improvement, but perhaps they value noise reduction more than detail (or they may be watching on smaller screens).

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In my experience and doing a side by side comparison of an updated PS3 to one that wasn't updated, I found the update to add a slight picture improvement in detail and less noise. I didn't see enough that it would be obvious without doing the side by side test though. I think our mind and eyes tend to play subtle tricks on us.

As for the PS3 doing up conversion, I have found it to be a pleasant surprise and a much better picture than my Denon progressive scan picture. Are there better? sure, but the PS3 is more than adequate in that area to satisfy the majority.
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post #17176 of 31995
4/21/08 at 11:44am
Well I tried. Here is my question to SONY:

Will the new 80GB PS3 (due on 28-Jun) support Bitstreaming of lossless HD audio over HDMI?

Here is their response:
Sony Style is not able to disclose upcoming product releases or related information upon request. As soon as announcements regarding new product introductions are made available to the public, they can be found at http://news.sel.sony.com/homepage.adp. You may also visit http://www.sonystyle.com, where the latest product information is often featured on the homepage.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
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post #17177 of 31995
4/21/08 at 11:51am
When running the automatic audio setup on the PS3 when it was connected to my old receiver, it worked perfectly. It excluded all the 7.1 options (since the receiver was set to 5.1) as well as some of the frequencies that the receiver apparently couldn't handle.

Today I hooked up an Onkyo 605 for the first time and ran the automatic setup. For some reason, even tho the receiver is set to 5.1, the PS3 is selecting all the options including the 7.1's.

I checked the receiver many times, everything is set correctly. Anyone know why the PS3 is failing to set itself correctly?

I did it manually, but I am just curious.
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post #17178 of 31995
4/21/08 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by kdmann View Post

Well I tried. Here is my question to SONY:

Will the new 80GB PS3 (due on 28-Jun) support Bitstreaming of lossless HD audio over HDMI?

Here is their response:
Sony Style is not able to disclose upcoming product releases or related information upon request. As soon as announcements regarding new product introductions are made available to the public, they can be found at http://news.sel.sony.com/homepage.adp. You may also visit http://www.sonystyle.com, where the latest product information is often featured on the homepage.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Can we give it up already? It not going top bitstream them, period. The would have to switch to a different HDMI chip which wouldn't be done until they were doing a new version of the hardware. Plus, every new version of hardware they've done so far has had the objective of reducing costs. Upgrading to the HDMI chip will add cost, so it's not going to happen anytime soon.

Besides, IT DOESN'T MATTER! Not only don't you lose anything by having the PS3 decode the audio you gain the ability to mix in special features audio to the lossless audio stream.
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post #17179 of 31995
4/21/08 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by kdmann View Post

Well I tried. Here is my question to SONY:

Will the new 80GB PS3 (due on 28-Jun) support Bitstreaming of lossless HD audio over HDMI?

Here is their response:
Sony Style is not able to disclose upcoming product releases or related information upon request. As soon as announcements regarding new product introductions are made available to the public, they can be found at http://news.sel.sony.com/homepage.adp. You may also visit http://www.sonystyle.com, where the latest product information is often featured on the homepage.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Where did you get the 28-June date. Sony style just says "June 2008". I was hoping that the release would coincide with the new game in the bundle---my son reports game available on June 12 (forgive me, I'm not a gamer--yet?). This would then make this my Father's day present from my FLY!
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post #17180 of 31995
4/21/08 at 12:57pm
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When running the automatic audio setup on the PS3 when it was connected to my old receiver, it worked perfectly. It excluded all the 7.1 options (since the receiver was set to 5.1) as well as some of the frequencies that the receiver apparently couldn't handle.

Today I hooked up an Onkyo 605 for the first time and ran the automatic setup. For some reason, even tho the receiver is set to 5.1, the PS3 is selecting all the options including the 7.1's.

I checked the receiver many times, everything is set correctly. Anyone know why the PS3 is failing to set itself correctly?

I did it manually, but I am just curious.

If the receiver can take 7.1 input, then the PS3 isn't doing anything wrong. You can uncheck 7.1 in the PS3, and the PS3 should put the sound from the extra 2 channels into the surround channels. If you leave it checked, any 7.1 signals will go to the receiver as-is, and it will be up to the receiver to re-route any sound from there to down-mix into 5.1. However if your receiver doesn't downmix, you will lose that sound. Sorry, I don't know how your receiver handles 7.1 signals when set for only 5.1.
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post #17181 of 31995
4/21/08 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by Jay_Davis View Post

Can we give it up already? It not going top bitstream them, period. The would have to switch to~

Wait, what?
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post #17182 of 31995
4/21/08 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by wabkab View Post

Where did you get the 28-June date. Sony style just says "June 2008". I was hoping that the release would coincide with the new game in the bundle---my son reports game available on June 12 (forgive me, I'm not a gamer--yet?). This would then make this my Father's day present from my FLY!

Sorry. my eyes must have mergerd the 2 and 8 from 2008 to get the 28th. Getting old sucks!
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post #17183 of 31995
4/21/08 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by kdmann View Post

Sorry. my eyes must have mergerd the 2 and 8 from 2008 to get the 28th. Getting old sucks!

Tell me about it. Glad to hear that early June may be an option--maybe us dads can petition Sony.
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post #17184 of 31995
4/21/08 at 1:53pm
hey guys, just one question. my tv can do 1080p and i have display settings as 720p, 1080i, and 1080p (basically default), should i just make the ps3 only output 1080p or should i just let it keep it at what it's at? thanks.
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post #17185 of 31995
4/21/08 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by Chesskid1 View Post

hey guys, just one question. my tv can do 1080p and i have display settings as 720p, 1080i, and 1080p (basically default), should i just make the ps3 only output 1080p or should i just let it keep it at what it's at? thanks.

I originally unchecked 720p and 1080i since my TV did 1080p like yours. When I went to play a video game it ran in 480. When I asked about it here I was told that since the game was only 720p and the PS3 won't upconvert it, that it plays in 480. So now I keep 720p and 1080p checked.
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post #17186 of 31995
4/21/08 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by maxdog03 View Post

In my experience and doing a side by side comparison of an updated PS3 to one that wasn't updated, I found the update to add a slight picture improvement in detail and less noise. I didn't see enough that it would be obvious without doing the side by side test though. I think our mind and eyes tend to play subtle tricks on us.

As for the PS3 doing up conversion, I have found it to be a pleasant surprise and a much better picture than my Denon progressive scan picture. Are there better? sure, but the PS3 is more than adequate in that area to satisfy the majority.

I wish I had another one still at version 2.1 to compare with. It's still good with 2.2, but after updating I immediately noticed that close ups of faces didn't show quite the same amount of texture in the skin (this is on a 100" screen so it's pretty easy to see small changes). I was also watching the same material as before the update, and I have all noise filters turned off.

The PS3 upscaling will definitely satisfy most people, but Sony did something to reduce the processor load in 2.2 and I doubt it was just optimizing their code.
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post #17187 of 31995
4/21/08 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by wabkab View Post

Where did you get the 28-June date. Sony style just says "June 2008". I was hoping that the release would coincide with the new game in the bundle---my son reports game available on June 12 (forgive me, I'm not a gamer--yet?). This would then make this my Father's day present from my FLY!

Amazon has a June 30 release date. I couldn't get the link to work. I did some C+P

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post #17188 of 31995
4/21/08 at 3:03pm
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That is technically true only for DTS. TrueHD does not have a core stream. Instead there may be a hidden DD5.1 Track or it fail back to DD5.1 if there is an official DD5.1 Track.

Protheus

The TrueHD "hidden" Dolby Digital track is mandatory for TrueHD on Blu-Ray... so, my statement stands. TrueHD is 100% backwards compatible and can be the default audio without grief, just like DTS-HD MA. Selecting TrueHD in an environment where it's not supported will play Dolby Digital.
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post #17189 of 31995
4/21/08 at 3:50pm
The Spiderman 3 disc that came with my PS3 has both TrueHD and uncompressed PCM. Why is that? Why would they include both if they are exactly the same as far sound output?
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post #17190 of 31995
4/21/08 at 4:07pm
To satisfy those of us that want PCM tracks. Or possibly to fill up the empty space on the disc. Doesn't "cost" them anything to put a PCM track and I should hope every studio does that when there's space and bandwidth enough for it.
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