One-and-Only PS3 as Blu-Ray Player Thread - Page 945

Why didnt you just stick a larger HD in your old one?

i'm curious about this. what could be causing this? i am holding on to my old Ps3 60gb SACD model because i love sacd but if i knew there was an actual PQ upgrade with the slim, i'd have some thinking to do......

He told you what's causing it ... his opinion.

just curious if anyone else who switched to a slim noticed a jump in PQ. after calibration and proper setup with my epson 1080ub projector (rgb limited on both the ps3 and projector, ultrawhite on, 3:2 pulldown activated with 24fps on) i think it looks fantastic now, although on one of the firmware updates i definitely remember things turning "drab" until the next update came along. so...i have definitely experienced something funky happening as far as PS3 in regards to color output. i'm watching on a 120" screen so even a slight shift in PQ tends to jump out at me.

The SLIM is worse than the FAT in terms of CD audio jitter. See review here: http://hcc.techradar.com/reviews/new...ginal+28+08+09

I have seen the CD jitter issue brought up on the SLIM multiple times and it makes sense with the new package and optical drive being cheaper. The original PS3's where setup to play SACD, so more time was spent making sure the optical drive would produce quality results.

But every credible review has said that it is identical for BD playback. Only peoples initial impressions are there is some video difference. Then when they spend more time making sure all the settings are the same FAT/SLIM, they come back and say they are the same.

There is no such thing as better color and contrast from BD. There is only right/wrong. The PS3 has no settings to muck up the image quality from BD so all PS3's should produce the exact same HDMI video digital pattern for the same BD disc (if all settings are the same 24Hz/RGB FULL/Super white/YPbCbPrCr/RGB/1080p/1080i/720p/Cinema Conversion and the FW is the same).

You will find no user with a calibration meter that claims the SLIM is better than the FAT. Meter is the best way to measure objectively.

People seems to convince themselves that $200 monster 6' HDMI cable looks better than their $20 6' HDMI cable. I have seen reports where users will say my color is better with the $200 cable or it has better contrast. If they had a degree in Engineering they would see how silly that statement is (even a defective HDMI cable would just have HDMI sync issues or random video blocks on the screen). That is like saying when my new top of the line $3000 desktop extracts a zip file of jpg images that are then copied to a USB drive and they look better then when my 10 year old Pentium extracts the same ZIP file using the same program. Like the PC matters to the software it runs on. It either works or it doesn't. (Lets ignore the old Pentium FDIV bug, HDMI cables can't have that issue they are passive.)

I have a fat PS3 and I am using MKV2VOB to fool the PS3 into playing the files. Why is it when I convert a movie with Dolby Digital it shows up on my receiver as Multichannel? I am using PS3 Media Center and my PS3 is set to bitstream. When I have a movie with DTS it shows up on my receiver as DTS but on the PS3 Linear 2channel audio.

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There is no such thing as better color and contrast from BD. There is only right/wrong. The PS3 has no settings to muck up the image quality from BD so all PS3's should produce the exact same HDMI video digital pattern for the same BD disc (if all settings are the same 24Hz/RGB FULL/Super white/YPbCbPrCr/RGB/1080p/1080i/720p/Cinema Conversion and the FW is the same).

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Taken from another forum (blu-ray.com) " An upgraded HD A/V chip and HDMI chip, it's just common sense it would have better PQ/AQ. "

Many people have reported an increase in contrast and color. Perhaps with me viewing on a 56" DLP would return noticable differences, compared to one that is viewing on a 37" would not notice any difference?

I have had my old fat and new slim side by side (switching the hdmi cable back and forth) and I can honestly say I do see better contrast and a little more vibrant colors... again, just my own personal opinion!

yeah this is what i am talking about - i know people can convince themselves something "looks better" but it's within the realm of possibilities that the slim ps3 has different PQ because in essence it's a different bluray player than the old 60gb units. i'm not saying it IS better but it's possible...

No difference. I have two fats and one slim. I took a fat out of my rack and replaced it with a slim. No calibration was required (I always check) and playing some movies that I have seen previous I notice no difference.
I am using a Cineversum Blackwing 3, 100 inch screen. Cineversum is based on but improved JVC RS20 DILA projector. It would show up any change.

I also have the Denon 2010 Blu-Ray. No difference between that and PS3.
I also have the Oppo BDP-83. I can see a little improvement on that (2-3%)
Go figure The Oppo is an awsome machine.

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Dono

More people that don't understand how the technology works.

1) The HDMI chipset has nothing to do with image quality. Just like the Ethernet chip in your Server PC has nothing to do with the image quality of your your steaming video experience (as long as both are capable of the minimum throughput). The new HDMI chipset only adds the Bitstream audio capability over the previous chipset.

2) The PS3 processes and decodes the HD video from the BD disc in the CELL processor that has identical capability on both PS3s (just think of it as both running pkunzip on a zip file.) The graphics chip on the PS3 is for 3D processing for gaming. The decoded video stream is muxed with the audio stream and sent out for transport to the HDMI chip (no changes in values just sent along (HDMI encryption is added to protect the A/V path but that does not change the video or audio contents after the end point de-crypts the stream.)

You are also using some bad settings.

Dont use RGB. Use YCbCr. RGB Limited shouldn't matter after that.
Turn Super white off. You are hotting up the whites and loosing Dynamic range.

DVD / Blu-Ray is authored in YCbCr 4:2:0. Changing from that and adding on Super White is adding more processing and stuffing out the colours.

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Dono

Exactly x 2

Digital info is Digital info. How can you make "XOXXXXOOOX" look any different. You can't.

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Dono

Like this:


XOXXXXOOOX

I'm not sure why Sony chose to use the term "superwhite" but it simply refers to above white "headroom".

Superwhite "on" is the correct setting if you want proper display of above white info with YCbCr. The setting won't effect RGB. RGB limited is the correct setting for display of movies on displays that won't accept YCbCr.

In general "auto" will select the proper setting upon HDMI or DVI handshake with the display. Practically all DVI connections will require RGB while HDMI may do either.

Yes you can use RGB limited (Not Full) on displays that won't accept YCbCr.
However there cant be too many of those. YCbCr has been arround for a long time, even component worked on this.

Putting the Superwhite on can crush (or bleach) out the white detail and colour, like you can crush your black detail if you have the brightness too high.

The best way to set white is to have Superwhite "off" and get a test disc to set the contrast. I have used Video Essentials on Blu (not the Best) and Spears and Munsil. Spears and Munsil will set the white level perfectly. They actually list the number colour of white on the Test. Putting Superwhite on Bleached the whites and turned Grey colour Greyer (bleached), if you can imagine every colour is made up of grey (nearly all are) you end up bleaching colour also.

Superwhite is not used on Blu or Dvd, it should not be used for movie watching.

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Dono

Hi,

I can't seem to play pearl harbor blu-ray suddenly on my ps3. I have played this movie before and i have test all my other blu-ray movies and they are playing fine. My pearl harbor blu-ray disc is free from scratch. I use ps3 juz to play movies and not games(couple of demos only). I am running the latest ps3 firmware. When i insert the disc, the movie icon is not appearing under the video section. How can i solve this? I have also cleared the BD-DATA folder under the video section and reseted my ps3. Mine is the non-slim ps3 60 GB version.

Please advise

Maybe you set the hidden metacritic filter too high.

It is well known that bistreaming to most receivers produces a higher volume level than PCM output from most sources to the same receiver.

If you turn up the volume you end up with the same result using PCM (And I am not going to open a can of worms about Jitter or PCM vs bitstreaming sound quality since decoder quality and output varies with each amp/receiver and can account for some changes).

Also the PCM signal with the PS3 decoding it to your reciver/AMP through MCPCM will include all of the sound effects you don't get with bitstreaming. Don't you want the boops and beeps the disc designers intended for their menus?

Some reports show that the video quality on the new PS3 slim actually is worse than earlier units. So YMMV.

I am thinking of buying a BD player and am stuck between the PS3 and LG BD390. My requirement is a BD player which can also play HD(1080p) files formats like MKV (h.264), DIVX and other popular format. Yeah, it also has to be about $300, so if there is an alternative than the ones I am looking for, please suggest. I am not into gaming and so dont care about the gaming on the PS3.

I did a search on the to answer the compatibility question but most PS3 threads are old and are contradictory.

So basic question is can the PS3/ LG BD390 play 1080p mkv files.

Is the PS3 same as the PS3 slim?

Also, can the PS3 read NTFS external drives?

If you have a computer on the same network as the PS3 it can use PS3media server and on the fly convert MKV files etc to a stream that the PS3 can play.

But it cant play MKV files on its own.

Cant speak much about the LG, but from what I have heard it can lay a wide range of files, but I would need to check on that to be sure.

mkv2vob

No offense, but how do you know for sure that Off is the best setting, when everyone since the PS3 has come out has said that On is correct? Is this a new discovery documented over in the calibration forum or something? Because this goes against everything said about this topic before.

I just tried switching back and forth on a number of test patterns and video material, both DVD and BD, and noticed no difference between on and off settings. Certainly no major difference in color saturation like you mention. It's not like the "wide color" or "clear white" settings on my Sony LCD that definitely do have an effect.

From the manual (http://manuals.playstation.net/docum...uperwhite.html) superwhite appears to be x.v.Color, which only certain TVs and content sources support anyway. So turning it on even if your display doesn't support it or if you aren't watching content encoded in that shouldn't have an adverse affect.

If you're seeing a difference with it set to on, with it crushing whites, then it sounds like you need to lower your contrast setting and/or disable any clear white or other enhancements that might be on.

(My receiver crushes blacks/whites anyway, so that could be why I don't see a difference.)

I made a copy of this post and posted it in the LG BD390 Master thread, along with merging your original thread within this PS3 master thread.

We ask that when members have questions about a specific player, they post in that player's master/owner's thread vs starting a new thread topic.

Thanks
Ron

when playing a DD 5.1EX standard disc, the PS3 Slim does not indicate the EX part. Playing Star Wars which is DD 5.1 EX, but the output is only 5.1 Any ideas why the PS3 while not output the EX part? All connections are thru HDMI and set to Bitstream, also have a 7.1 speaker setup.

Thank you

No it can't. Superwhite just lets values above white pass through, but it has no effect on the levels you could see when Superwhite was off. For movies mastered with normal levels (16-235) Superwhite makes absolutely no difference, but you might as well leave it ON because a few movies do have highlights above normal white, and it's useful for calibrating.

The Star Wars movies are mastered without the EX flag on purpose. In fact all DD EX soundtracks pre 2001 don't have the EX flag http://www.dolby.com/consumer/unders...igital-ex.html .

You have to tell your AVR to add DD EX decoding manually. If your AVR supports Dolby PLIIx (converts 5.1 to 7.1), just leave that on all the time. That will work great with the EX encoded material. EX is not a discrete 6th channel encoding, just matrix encoded.

Note from the DVD producer:

I wonder if Badas is confusing this option with the RGB full vs limited option.

No offense, but how do you know for sure that Off is the best setting, when everyone since the PS3 has come out has said that On is correct? Is this a new discovery documented over in the calibration forum or something? Because this goes against everything said about this topic before.

I just tried switching back and forth on a number of test patterns and video material, both DVD and BD, and noticed no difference between on and off settings. Certainly no major difference in color saturation like you mention. It's not like the "wide color" or "clear white" settings on my Sony LCD that definitely do have an effect.

From the manual (http://manuals.playstation.net/docum...uperwhite.html) superwhite appears to be x.v.Color, which only certain TVs and content sources support anyway. So turning it on even if your display doesn't support it or if you aren't watching content encoded in that shouldn't have an adverse affect.

If you're seeing a difference with it set to on, with it crushing whites, then it sounds like you need to lower your contrast setting and/or disable any clear white or other enhancements that might be on.

(My receiver crushes blacks/whites anyway, so that could be why I don't see a difference.)


I am a puirist. There has been many articles written about Superwhite, x.v.Colour. I am not the only one that has noted this.

These parameters "ARE NOT IN THE BLU-RAY/DVD SPEC". They are adding more shades of white that are NOT USED.

If you look at forums for the Oppo, Denon or any High End player they say Turn it off.

I can see some advantage for RGB Games but for movies you are bleaching grey and loosing Dynamic Range.

I have two PS3's in my system and my Cineversum Projector supports Superwhite. Running Spears and Munsil Contrast and Brightness test patterns at the same time and switching inputs showed that Super White bleached the grey colours and destroyed the upper white shades. This can make you believe that you have a higher contrast and it definetly bleaches Greys, but like I said most experts say if it is not used Turn it off.

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Dono

Okay,

I will admit I am slightly wrong.

I spoke to a professional screen calibrator here.

This is what he told me.

If you have a stand alone Blu-Ray machine he said to turn the bloody thing off. He says it creates a lot of confusion. The only reason it is there is because it is on the video cards on these machines. They are not in the Blu-ray / DVD spec.

Now he said the Playstation is an odd ball. Because it plays Games and more in particular AVC coded Home movies it can technically display the extra white colours on those only.
However he said you have to be real careful to set the contrast on your display. If you set it to display the extra colours it can bleach whites for Blu-Ray and DVD. This is what I saw using Spears and Munsil calibration disc.

His advice was if you are watching Blu-ray and DVD. Turn it off. The extra white colours on AVC coded home movies and a few games will not be missed.

In the end it's your call. Leave it on and you won't get extra colours in Blu-ray / DVD and it could be likely you will hot up the whites (bleaching). However you may get a few more white colours on games and your AVC coded home movies may be slightly more detailed.

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Dono

Turning off Super White will never cause any issue on the PS3. If you calibrated your display to show the WTW and BTB levels, you are not able to follow the directions on the calibration disc very well. Turning on super white aids in calibration of the brightness and contrast levels.

All games on the PS3 are RGB encoded on the PS3, so your calibrator buddy is mistaken if he thinks the super white setting affects them.

Plenty of standalone players also play AVCHD discs. So the same home movie that the PS3 plays they will also play.