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post #2941 of 31993
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Originally Posted by geb724 View Post

I'm new to this forum so please bear with me if this has already been posted/discussed.

I'm interested in BluRay (I'm not a gamer) but don't want to spend the $1500 for the Pioneer Elite BDP-HD1.

A nice feature of the Pioneer is the ability to play audio, video and jpeg files that are stored on a PC. Is the PS3 able to be used as a media center (with playback from a PC NOT the unit's 60gb hd) similar to the Pioneer BDP-HD1?

The PS3 will not directly network to your PC to access those files, unfortunately, but you can transfer those files to the PS3 via a USB drive. The 60GB model supports a variety of memory card formats if you choose to go that route, enabling you to use the memory cards you may already have for your digital cameras.
post #2942 of 31993
Has anyone tried hooking up an external USB hard drive to the PS3. Did you try with FAT32 file format? Has anyone tried with a unix file format (UDF). I can format a HD in both FAT32 and UDF on my mac and put some media in it. I wish network support will come soon.
post #2943 of 31993
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Originally Posted by bommai View Post

Has anyone tried hooking up an external USB hard drive to the PS3. Did you try with FAT32 file format? Has anyone tried with a unix file format (UDF). I can format a HD in both FAT32 and UDF on my mac and put some media in it. I wish network support will come soon.

I tried it with a USB drive, formated in FAT32, but didn't have any luck in picking up the mpeg4 file I had on it. I'm gonna try again with a SD card sometime soon.
post #2944 of 31993
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Originally Posted by bommai View Post

Has anyone tried hooking up an external USB hard drive to the PS3. Did you try with FAT32 file format? Has anyone tried with a unix file format (UDF). I can format a HD in both FAT32 and UDF on my mac and put some media in it. I wish network support will come soon.

pretty sure it only supports FAT32 thus you are limited to 4GB file sizes, bummer for us who want to play recorded HD content, copying to the internal harddrive has problems too. Hopefully they address this in the infamous march firmware release
post #2945 of 31993
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Originally Posted by yuichiror View Post

I tried it with a USB drive, formated in FAT32, but didn't have any luck in picking up the mpeg4 file I had on it. I'm gonna try again with a SD card sometime soon.

Make sure it's not located in a folder, the PS3 doesn't handle folders well or at all. Also when you're highlighting the USB stick, hit Triangle and select "Show All" to get all files, even unrecognized formats. I've also had trouble w/ some MP4 files I converted using Red Kawa's PS3 Video 9.
post #2946 of 31993
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Originally Posted by Jeff_DML View Post

pretty sure it only supports FAT32 thus you are limited to 4GB file sizes, bummer for us who want to play recorded HD content, copying to the internal harddrive has problems too. Hopefully they address this in the infamous march firmware release

I wish Sony would pull a "startup company" and start being transparent about what features are in the pipeline and a way for people to suggest and even help out. With Linux in the fray and open source benefits that come with it, they can definitely benefit.

My own wishlist:

Minor ones:
1) Add rules feature for Audio CD, SACD, DVD Video, Video BD-ROM - what should the PS3 do upon disc insertion. Choices for Audio CD are Play, Import, Do nothing, Choices for the rest are Play or Do nothing.

2) One click button on the DVD remote to turn off (standby) the playstation. Currently, I have to press and hold the PS button and then confirm standby. I couldn't do this today because I already turned off the TV and did not want to turn it on to see what the screen messages are.

Medium ones:

1) Add support for more bluetooth devices such as keyboards, mouse, etc.
2) Built-in browser needs more plug-in support. Hopefully Apple will write a Quicktime plugin!!

Major ones:

1) Full support for Network shares (NFS and Samba)
2) Full support for a variety of uPnP protocols. May be sony can provide a uPnP server that is guaranteed to work with PS3. Make this server run on Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. What I want is the PS3 to gain AppleTV like capabilities. I don't care about the DRM stuff. I don't buy DRM stuff anyway, but I would like to watch my iPhoto pictures and listen to my iTunes music (non-DRM), and watch a few of my eyeTV recordings on the PS3.
3) Support for streaming from a Slimserver. So, what we need is Soft Squeeze running on PS3. I already have a Slimserver running on my Mac in the 2nd floor delivering music to my living room through a Squeezebox 3. I would like the PS3 in the basement to be the second client. This client should support FLAC natively so that music can be streamed and played in a lossless codec. Enlist the Slimserver folks for this. They are open source and owned by Logitech - Hey isn't Logictec buddies with Sony for PS3 accessories now.

I am sure there are several other things people would like to do with their PS3. How about listing them or is this the wrong thread for it?
post #2947 of 31993
Has anyone else experienced this? Sorry if any of this has been addressed already.

I have my PS3 hooked up to a Samsung HLS-6187 via HDMI. The TV is a true 1080p set, it can accept and display a true 1080p signal.

However, when I set the display setting to 1080p on the PS3, the picture looks like crap. It looks very rough and has a sparkly, rainbow-type effect surrounding every object. Is this a PS3 problem? I tried two different HDMI cables which resulted in the same effect. It looks like this even in the PS3 setup menu, with no BD disc loaded.

Also, I noticed that the PS3 doesn't have a enhanced black level like other players. Will this be added in a future firmware update?

For those who are running a PS3 on a Sammy HLS series, what are your display settings at? Any recommendations?
post #2948 of 31993
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Originally Posted by smohaban View Post

I noticed that with a number of movies. Last night it was with Enron: The Smartest Guys in The Room.
I tried it just with Blue-Ray movies, not with standard DVDs.
Here is a stupid question: can the HDMI cable quality have any effect or does it transfer pure digital info, in which case either it works or it doesn't but quality should not be affected?

Hi guys,

I had the chance to do some more experimentation with my setup and found some interesting facts. The bottom line is that the problem I have got nothing to do with BD playback. It actually has nothing to do with the PS3. It seems that my Denon receiver (AVR-2807) adds the "noise"/snow...
When I connect the PS3 with HDMI directly to the Plasma TV it looks very clean. When I connect it, again with HDMI, to the receiver, and from there with HDMI to the TV it shows with all that noise. The effect is very evident when you look up close. If you look from far away it is harder to see...

From reviews I have read earlier I thought the AVR-2807 was supposed to be very good at handling video, and should handle ok 1080p. Do I need to do any special configuration to make it work well? Any ideas?

Many thanks!
post #2949 of 31993
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Originally Posted by Indyjones View Post

Has anyone else experienced this? Sorry if any of this has been addressed already.

I have my PS3 hooked up to a Samsung HLS-6187 via HDMI. The TV is a true 1080p set, it can accept and display a true 1080p signal.

However, when I set the display setting to 1080p on the PS3, the picture looks like crap. It looks very rough and has a sparkly, rainbow-type effect surrounding every object. Is this a PS3 problem? I tried two different HDMI cables which resulted in the same effect. It looks like this even in the PS3 setup menu, with no BD disc loaded.

Also, I noticed that the PS3 doesn't have a enhanced black level like other players. Will this be added in a future firmware update?

For those who are running a PS3 on a Sammy HLS series, what are your display settings at? Any recommendations?


I have a HLS5688W, basically same TV and have no problem other then I can't stand PS3 not have BTB. First are you using an HDMI cable, stupid question but if your using the standard composite cable your note getting 1080i output. Second make sure you change the picture settings. On that TV each input has its own picture controls. I use Movie mode and reduce contrast to around 40 or 45 and Brightness to 45 t o50...also turn off DNILE and NR. Hope this helps, I have no picture problems like your describing but if your using default picture settings it will not be correct.
post #2950 of 31993
Well, I gave up. My PS3 is heading back to SONY's warranty repair / exchange center in Texas.

Before I gripe about my problem allow me to commend SONY for excellent customer service regarding my dilema. No hassle, free shipping both ways and in a timely fashion.

Anyways, back to my problem, one which I believe others are also unfortunately experiencing.

1080i works fine going thru my Onkyo 674 but 1080p has massive horizontal video break up (flickering) which looks like the image is having a seizure! That being said, when the PS3 is connected directly to the TV, the 1080p works fine.

Be advised that my HD-DVD HD-XA2 player outputs 1080p flawlessly onto my 1080p capable LCD and it's being routed thru the same Receiver.

I didn't ask for this problem, I just wanted everything to work and my wish almost came true!

I'm not here to blame the PS3 and I was very honest with my opinion to the SONY representatives.

It's just frustrating believing that the cause of this problem might be due to the HDCP handshake between the PS3 and the Onkyo! Who the heck knows!

Onkyo sure didn't when I called them but nor did SONY to be honest here.

I chose the PS3 as the problem child due to 1080p working fine from my XA2!

I even tried switching the HDMI cable (silly me) but no success!
post #2951 of 31993
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Originally Posted by Indyjones View Post

Has anyone else experienced this? Sorry if any of this has been addressed already.

I have my PS3 hooked up to a Samsung HLS-6187 via HDMI. The TV is a true 1080p set, it can accept and display a true 1080p signal.

However, when I set the display setting to 1080p on the PS3, the picture looks like crap. It looks very rough and has a sparkly, rainbow-type effect surrounding every object...

I wonder if it might be an error in displaying the native 1080p material through your TVs wobulation, as the 'rainbow effect' you mention immediately brings to mind your set being DLP.
post #2952 of 31993
I am having audio issues with my PS3. I am having occasional static bursts of noise while playing Blu-Ray discs. On Superman Returns, the bursts of noise occurs every five minutes or so and is quite loud. Sometimes it lasts for a split second, sometimes for a couple of seconds. On Ice Age 2, I do not have the problem. I am using a 60GB PS3 with firmware 1.51 and connected to a Denon receiver via a TOSlink connection. Any ideas?
post #2953 of 31993
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Originally Posted by jank0023 View Post

It does not and I think it impacts viewing significantly...see my previous posts.

Yeah, not having BTB is a serious issue. I'm definitely going to wait until a firmware upgrade fixes the black crush issue, or go with another player. Sucks because I've been really tempted to get one recently, and I already have one BD title that I'm itching to watch.
post #2954 of 31993
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Originally Posted by xbdestroya View Post

I wonder if it might be an error in displaying the native 1080p material through your TVs wobulation, as the 'rainbow effect' you mention immediately brings to mind your set being DLP.


It has nothing to do with Wobulation or an actual rainbow affect. Rainbow affect is due to color wheel and would not be causing the problem he describes. The new Samsung's barely have rainbows and I have only seen one in 6 months. Obviously everyone's are a different, but with the increase speed of the color wheel rainbows have been greatly reduced and most ppl do not see them on the new sets. With that said even if you did see them you would not see them around every object.
post #2955 of 31993
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Originally Posted by jd213 View Post

Yeah, not having BTB is a serious issue. I'm definitely going to wait until a firmware upgrade fixes the black crush issue, or go with another player. Sucks because I've been really tempted to get one recently, and I already have one BD title that I'm itching to watch.

Just curious as to how Blacker than Blacker is a serious issue? Since you aren't suppose to see BTB anyway and how is black crush involved since it isn't related to BTB.
post #2956 of 31993
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Originally Posted by Indyjones View Post

Also, I noticed that the PS3 doesn't have a enhanced black level like other players. Will this be added in a future firmware update?

Typically this allows you to set IRE black at 0 to 7.5 and only effects component.
post #2957 of 31993
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Originally Posted by smohaban View Post

Hi guys,

I had the chance to do some more experimentation with my setup and found some interesting facts. The bottom line is that the problem I have got nothing to do with BD playback. It actually has nothing to do with the PS3. It seems that my Denon receiver (AVR-2807) adds the "noise"/snow...
When I connect the PS3 with HDMI directly to the Plasma TV it looks very clean. When I connect it, again with HDMI, to the receiver, and from there with HDMI to the TV it shows with all that noise. The effect is very evident when you look up close. If you look from far away it is harder to see...

From reviews I have read earlier I thought the AVR-2807 was supposed to be very good at handling video, and should handle ok 1080p. Do I need to do any special configuration to make it work well? Any ideas?

Many thanks!

My experience is with the 4306. It is passing through 1080p flawlessly. make sure HDMI out is set to "through" so the receiver is not trying to convert the signal. At that point it should just be routing it, and not processing it. IS your plasma taking 1080p in ? if not then set the ps3 to output what you want to input.

good luck
post #2958 of 31993
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

Just curious as to how Blacker than Blacker is a serious issue? Since you aren't suppose to see BTB anyway and how is black crush involved since it isn't related to BTB.

yeah I was wondering this too, I guess it depends on the content. As we know PS3 doesnt pass BTB and WTW and my Toshiba HD-DVD A2 does not either via HDMI. Last night I figured out the A2 does pass it via component last night and spent a decent amount of time switching between HDMI and component comparing while watching scenes of Terminator 3 on HD-DVD. I could not find any scenes where BTB or WTW was used and made a difference. So I am figuring it depends on the movie and whether they use BTB or WTW?
post #2959 of 31993
I'm still a little confused about SACD output from the PS3. I know that SACD requires HDMI; no problem. But is multi-channel SACD limited to HDMI 1.3? I have an HDMI receiver (Denon 2807) but of course it's 1.1.
post #2960 of 31993
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Originally Posted by slksc View Post

I'm still a little confused about SACD output from the PS3. I know that SACD requires HDMI; no problem. But is multi-channel SACD limited to HDMI 1.3? I have an HDMI receiver (Denon 2807) but of course it's 1.1.

The PS3 outputs multi-channel SACDs to my HDMI 1.1 AVR as PCM. The PS3 will not send the DSD stream, which is not supported by HDMI 1.1.

Chase
post #2961 of 31993
Can the PS3 output SACD through SPDIF if it is downmixed to 2.0?
post #2962 of 31993
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Originally Posted by Jeff_DML View Post

I could not find any scenes where BTB or WTW was used and made a difference. So I am figuring it depends on the movie and whether they use BTB or WTW?

In most cases with a digital display (properly adjusted) you will never see BTB or WTW. Based on the simple reason your display's setting for black will be at the lowest level your display can project and your display's white level will be at the highest. However some analog sets will display both even when calibrated properly based on the their display technology.
post #2963 of 31993
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

In most cases with a digital display (properly adjusted) you will never see BTB or WTW. Based on the simple reason your display's setting for black will be at the lowest level your display can project and your display's white level will be at the highest. However some analog sets will display both even when calibrated properly based on the their display technology.

yeah I know, I tweaked my setting so I could see them. I read somewhere that some calibrators allow a bit of BTB to been seen or was that wtw.
post #2964 of 31993
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Originally Posted by dmass View Post

My experience is with the 4306. It is passing through 1080p flawlessly. make sure HDMI out is set to "through" so the receiver is not trying to convert the signal. At that point it should just be routing it, and not processing it. IS your plasma taking 1080p in ? if not then set the ps3 to output what you want to input.

good luck


This might be the problem why my 1080p signal looks like crap. I have both the PS3 and HD-A1 running to my receiver via HDMI then out to my tv via HDMI. I also have the HDMI upcoverting signal on the receiver set to "on", so that all of my analog video inputs are be routed and converted to HDMI. I don't have the resolution upconversion selected "on" though, just the analog signal. I'm using a Yamaha RX-V1600 receiver by the way.

So would this be causing my 1080p problems with the PS3?
post #2965 of 31993
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post

Can the PS3 output SACD through SPDIF if it is downmixed to 2.0?

I have been unable to get the PS3 to output SACDs in any shape or form through S/PDIF.

Chase
post #2966 of 31993
Too much data for the optical cord since it outputs at 24 bit/88.2 kHz LPCM for multi-channel, and ~24 bit/176 kHz LPCM for stereo (it is supposed to increase sampling rates in a later firmware update). SA-CD is only via HDMI.

Dan
post #2967 of 31993
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Originally Posted by home_theatre_man View Post

The PS3 outputs multi-channel SACDs to my HDMI 1.1 AVR as PCM. The PS3 will not send the DSD stream, which is not supported by HDMI 1.1.

Chase

The spec sheet on hdmi.org said

HDMI 1.1 add DVD-Audio support
HDMI 1.2 add SACD support

Can you please confirm?

TIA!
post #2968 of 31993
May I know if I buy the coming Denon HDMI 1.3 AV receiver with DTS- HD decoder would PS3 able to transmit the 7.1 channel data to Denon for decoding? or do I still have to wait for the firmware update? Your help is appreciated.
post #2969 of 31993
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Originally Posted by jd213 View Post

Yeah, not having BTB is a serious issue. I'm definitely going to wait until a firmware upgrade fixes the black crush issue, or go with another player. .


I keep seeing this - the PS3 does *not* crush blacks on a properly calibrated display. It is quite true that it does not pass <16 >235 codes which the processing can make use of for rounding errors but on a display that is correctly calibrated <16 should not be visible (unless you are referring to CRT float). >235 would be handled differently.

Simply because the data is *clipped* does not mean the low IRE's are *crushed*. Perhaps those who experience this *crushing* problem should take a serious look at the gamma settings for their display. A higher gamma - which on some displays can actually be a lower numerical value can result in the lower IRE values being compressed with a display that doesn't have a high ON/Off Contrast ratio.
This page delineates the various settings and charting and the resultant picture. Scroll down the page and see what incorrect gamma setting can do to a picture.

I've yet to experience *crushed* blacks on my pj except where black levels are poorly - MIII being an example.

Be aware I am not suggesting that <16 >235 do not have value but this should only apply to the display's processing and should not crush blacks or whites.

ted
post #2970 of 31993
If BTB or WTW video exists on the disc (and it does, but not often) it will be lost and the info will be displayed incorrectly ("crushed" to the black or reference white endpoint). However, it won't happen often and probably unnoticeable unless you know it's there. And like Ted said, on digital displays you wouldn't see BTB info anyway. I remember seeing some posts where people showed BTB in some DVDs, but nobody bothered with WTW. IIRC, the "desert scene" video on DVE has WTW info. The clipping on the PS3 is nowhere near as obnoxious as what happens when converted to PC levels, like on the Tosh units connect to DVI displays.

larry
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